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Hellblazer187 posted:What is that green flag flair on T_D. It looks pretty, uh, Nazi-ish but maybe my vision and flag knowledge are poor. My guess is the Kekistan flag, a made up country they use to claim that their racism and bigotry is just their culture and if you criticize them for it then you're the real racist.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Reason 1) It's directly cheaper, since we wouldn't pay for those degrees It's weird to think this, I know, but maybe a guy drawing funny pictures or singing a rad song or digging up old poo poo in a desert have some value to our society that is in the same ballpark as the guy who makes gasoline pump handles or watches dials in a refinery or writes automation software for self driving cars. If there was a basic social safety net and free education of choice maybe it'd be OK for people to try a career in something ~impractical~ and fail and not be loving ruined for 30 years with a giant pile of student loans they can never pay off. quote:Are the best artists the university educated ones? Is that even really necessary for art? Legitimate question. As a professional artist (lol) I can say pretty comfortably yes, there is no substitute for art education. I wouldn't say the best artists come from educated backgrounds, but it's a huge benefit to study the work and technique of people who have gone before like Michelangelo and DaVinci and Mozart and whatever, and when you're a dumb redneck you probably have never been exposed to any of that, you don't even know what to go teach yourself. It won't necessarily make you good at your field of art but it certainly helps you find out a lot quicker whether you're any good, and it shortcuts many years of wasted time re-inventing basic techniques.
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empty whippet box posted:If we get proof that trump is literally getting cucked by melania in exactly the fashion that internet republicans are obsessed with totally absolutely 100% not being, I wonder how many of them would finally stop supporting him. Not over climate change, misogyny, being a rapist, a moron, none of that. Because cuck My prediction 0.0%, Partially because proof bounces off their framing. Even if you could get them to accept it as reality they'd just find some way to twist it into a good thing in their little minds.
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Hellblazer187 posted:What is that green flag flair on T_D. It looks pretty, uh, Nazi-ish but maybe my vision and flag knowledge are poor. Some dumb frog poo poo they've made up, and absolutely designed to invoke a nazi flag
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Pellisworth posted:haha amazing, do it Beautiful.
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aware of dog posted:My guess is the Kekistan flag, a made up country they use to claim that their racism and bigotry is just their culture and if you criticize them for it then you're the real racist. What a weird loving timeline we live in.
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Yeah, if it's proven that Trump is a cuck, it'll quickly be flipped into a positive amongst his supporters in some way. This is also known as the Billy Madison "peeing your pants is the coolest" tactic.
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The best artists are taught by and learn from other artists, exclusively, I would say.
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Shes not even loving jewish...
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Chilichimp posted:Shes not even loving jewish... 
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if trump jumped off a cliff would t_d? i say they would.
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https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/870436143887777792 Makes this look even more legit.
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That's actually fairly subversive, a whole bunch of alt righters' brains will break over that.
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CrocodileKingSaysNO posted:if trump jumped off a cliff would t_d? i say they would. I say they wouldn't! Let's settle this question!
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CrocodileKingSaysNO posted:if trump jumped off a cliff would t_d? i say they would. Only after saying that Obama was too much of a pussy to jump off in the first place.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Reason 1) It's directly cheaper, since we wouldn't pay for those degrees I too agree that noble pursuits like art and history are best left to the landed gentry. What use has a serf for Manet?
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/870722430104424452 lol if he obstructs justice to prevent testimony that said he obstructed justice Skex posted:My prediction 0.0%, I feel like this could be different because they wouldn't want to be associated with a cuck or be seen to be the devoted follower of a cuck. They call him alpha all the time and see themselves as alpha. They might be able to be in denial about it actually happening but they won't be able to deny that other people think he's a cuck, and therefore his followers are also cucks. They already sincerely believe that truth doesn't exist or is less important than what you can get people to believe / get away with claiming is true. I realize this is insanely stupid bullshit but I really think a lot of these people think this way. empty whippet box fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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If you come from the ~lower class~, get used to your existence as an industrial drone *monocle*
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aware of dog posted:My guess is the Kekistan flag, a made up country they use to claim that their racism and bigotry is just their culture and if you criticize them for it then you're the real racist. It's literally a nazi battle flag color-swapped from red to green and with their meme logo in place of the swastikas.
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Flesh Forge posted:It's weird to think this, I know, but maybe a guy drawing funny pictures or singing a rad song or digging up old poo poo in a desert have some value to our society that is in the same ballpark as the guy who makes gasoline pump handles or watches dials in a refinery or writes automation software for self driving cars. If there was a basic social safety net and free education of choice maybe it'd be OK for people to try a career in something ~impractical~ and fail and not be loving ruined for 30 years with a giant pile of student loans they can never pay off. I'd love for people to be able pursue something "impractical" and not have it ruin them. I don't think free university education in art is necessary for that. I mean I went from being a lovely lawyer to being a marginally less lovely CPA, and I'm miserable all day long, and posting here instead of doing the mountains of poo poo I'm supposed to be doing. I wanted to be a cartoonist. So principally I'm with you in terms of the social value of art. I think an NIT with free "STEM" education is possible in my lifetime. I think UBI with free art education isn't. So, yes, I suppose that does primarily boil down to "it's cheaper." Flesh Forge posted:As a professional artist (lol) I can say pretty comfortably yes, there is no substitute for art education. I wouldn't say the best artists come from educated backgrounds, but it's a huge benefit to study the work and technique of people who have gone before like Michelangelo and DaVinci and Mozart and whatever, and when you're a dumb redneck you probably have never been exposed to any of that, you don't even know what to go teach yourself. It won't necessarily make you good at your field of art but it certainly helps you find out a lot quicker whether you're any good, and it shortcuts many years of wasted time re-inventing basic techniques. Fair enough. My wife is a degreed pianist so I've got some idea what music education is like but the only visual art I like is cartoons, and cartooning seems to be primarily self taught.
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Oh gently caress Look at this guys. LOOK AT IT Santorum: If sun, they why clouds???
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Skippy Granola posted:I too agree that noble pursuits like art and history are best left to the landed gentry. What use has a serf for Manet? I didn't say that.
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PhazonLink posted:Reminder. To eat?
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Hellblazer187 posted:I'd love for people to be able pursue something "impractical" and not have it ruin them. I don't think free university education in art is necessary for that. I mean I went from being a lovely lawyer to being a marginally less lovely CPA, and I'm miserable all day long, and posting here instead of doing the mountains of poo poo I'm supposed to be doing. I wanted to be a cartoonist. So principally I'm with you in terms of the social value of art. I think an NIT with free "STEM" education is possible in my lifetime. I think UBI with free art education isn't. So, yes, I suppose that does primarily boil down to "it's cheaper." I have some bad news for you, neither is possible in America for the next several decades imo, but if we're aiming for a better future, why not an actually better future rather than one that is just somewhat less bad? quote:Fair enough. My wife is a degreed pianist so I've got some idea what music education is like but the only visual art I like is cartoons, and cartooning seems to be primarily self taught. If you'd had access to free traditional art education and no "make a living or starve to death/die of the common cold" thing hanging over your head, do you think your life might have turned out the same?
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Oh Your country is doomed
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Oh Fun fact: Rick Santorum spends half of every day screaming in mortal terror because he thinks the world vanishes when he blinks.
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theflyingorc posted:To eat? I think so yeah. His wife had a miscarriage and each of his kids took turns holding it. It was kind of weird and by kind of I mean what the gently caress.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/870722430104424452 Ahahaha, holy poo poo. "Let's see, how can we cover ourselves in MORE poo poo? How can we possibly look MORE guilty and MORE corrupt than we do right now? I KNOW!!!!"
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Oh The sun coming up in the morning is a miraculous surprise, some days it doesn't come up you know!!
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Mustached Demon posted:I think so yeah. Can we not talk about a family grieving for their lost child? Sometimes people do "weird" stuff but lets not attack him for this.
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business hammocks posted:It's literally a nazi battle flag color-swapped from red to green and with their meme logo in place of the swastikas. It's awesome how they don't even try to hide it
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Alter Ego posted:Ahahaha, holy poo poo. I get that executive privilege can stop someone from being forced to testify, but can it stop someone who wants to testify? Once you work for the executive branch is your right to Free Speech forever dependent on the whims of the executive?
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Alter Ego posted:Ahahaha, holy poo poo. It's amazing to me that they apparently don't realize how awful this looks.
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I love how green energy naysayers act like they've really got a point when they say that the sun doesn't always shine or that the wind doesn't always blow. Scientists and engineers have thought about and accounted for this and there are a variety of proposed storage methods that don't require huge amounts of batteries. Huh? What's that? Oh it's your beloved free market calling! They say that they're going to make the switch to green energy anyway because it's becoming very cheap very fast, especially compared to mining chunks of carbon out of the ground.
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Flesh Forge posted:I have some bad news for you, neither is possible in America for the next several decades imo, but if we're aiming for a better future, why not an actually better future rather than one that is just somewhat less bad? Well that's a matter of disagreement, then. The cost projections for an NIT are almost reasonable with a few minor tax reforms and a light trimming of military spending. A sufficiently defeated and demoralized GOP could lead to a big enough Dem majority to get NIT and real education reform. That would be a drastically better life for Americans than the one that exists now. Flesh Forge posted:If you'd had access to free traditional art education and no "make a living or starve to death/die of the common cold" thing hanging over your head, do you think your life might have turned out the same? Of course my life would have turned out differently, but I think the latter part of that is more important and would be achieved with an NIT, especially if I had some access to art education in K-12 (which I did).
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She's loving polish catholic!
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Xae posted:I get that executive privilege can stop someone from being forced to testify, but can it stop someone who wants to testify? The problem is the content of his testimony, which could involve state secrets and the White House could legally block. Of course, that wouldn't stop leaks, and would also look very bad.
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Burning_Monk posted:Can we not talk about a family grieving for their lost child? Sometimes people do "weird" stuff but lets not attack him for this. Nah it's loving bizarre and if it was soneone else's alive baby he would do everything in his power to take away its food stamps because dead babies are sacred and living ones have no value to him
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