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Antti posted:The leaked Halla-aho contingency plan for the government is for the Terho supporting MPs to split into their own party. The story says this is confirmed from multiple sources, but still seems hard to believe they would actually do this. It would be political suicide for the half of the party that betrays the Master. Who is their voter base at that point? Hardcore Soini supporters and old SMP people?
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Ok now I want to vote for the anti-christian party
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Antti posted:Also if this happens, I'm pretty sure the Lex Soini enacted in 2015 will backfire spectacularly because if the Terho majority splits from the mother party run by Halla-aho, Halla-aho's party still gets to keep all the money. There's the rub though: all the party funds have been filtered into the trust fund run by Soini and his cronys. For example, the party pays rent for the party offices to the trust fund that owns the offices. If the trust fund desires to do so, they can absolutely starve the party.
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Jun 3, 2017 12:44
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Kemper Boyd posted:There's the rub though: all the party funds have been filtered into the trust fund run by Soini and his cronys. For example, the party pays rent for the party offices to the trust fund that owns the offices. If the trust fund desires to do so, they can absolutely starve the party. Oh, fair point. The puoluetuki is a tidy sum but all of the accrued money has been socked away by Soini. Anyway, the best part is that I can't see a way for this to turn out well for the party or for Soini's ideals. The disgruntled former SDP voters will probably go back to voting SDP or they'll just stop voting, and there'll be the conservative "worker's party without socialism" as a rump, and then the anti-immigration party carrying the old Perussuomalaiset name.
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Antti posted:Oh, fair point. The puoluetuki is a tidy sum but all of the accrued money has been socked away by Soini. Also, all the membership fees go straight into the trust fund. One weird trick by a frog-shaped lump.
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Jun 3, 2017 13:00
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Soini is the greatest political operator since Kekkonen. Kekkonen relied on farmers and the Soviet Union, a much more reliable constituency instead of well, the most ridiculous people in this country, but goddamn look where he took them for a while. Godspeed you magnificent bastard I wish you die bitter and broken but poo poo, got to respect that game  EDIT: I also know who I will vote for in the next presidential election
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DarkCrawler posted:
paha sanoa mikä sun pointtisi on kun noita en sun tolstoilaisen pitkiä hysteerisiä itkupotkuraivareita ue
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As long as you are incapable or unwilling to point out a single thing that is factually wrong in my posts (the Debate part), this is all just some random guy not liking what I am writing and yelling about it (the Discussion part). I've gotten plenty used to the latter, of course, so always more then happy to participate in either. When it comes to the latter I more or less do post what comes to my mind, I would say that is pretty obvious.
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Kemper Boyd posted:There's the rub though: all the party funds have been filtered into the trust fund run by Soini and his cronys. For example, the party pays rent for the party offices to the trust fund that owns the offices. If the trust fund desires to do so, they can absolutely starve the party. eikös persut voisi vuokrata jonkun toisen tilan toimistokseen ja antaa soinin perustaa omaan konttoriinsa katolisen kuoropoikabordellin? ja sinnehän voisi laittaa kanssa eläinosaston kepulaisille
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Jun 3, 2017 15:16
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http://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000005238700.html lopetan hapansilakan ja turskan syömisen protestina
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RIP in peace, the credibility of the Finnish police. https://longplay.fi/sidetone/rasismi-rehottaa-poliisien-salaisessa-facebook-ryhmassa
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Kemper Boyd posted:RIP in peace, the credibility of the Finnish police. enpä olisi uskonut että paskalakit olisi rasisteja
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Hogge Wild posted:enpä olisi uskonut että paskalakit olisi rasisteja Quelle surprise indeed, I've met enough of them at work that I have nothing but loathing for every single one of them. Supo dudes are ok tho.
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Jun 3, 2017 18:44
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Hyvää huomenta kaikille. Meen takas nukkumaan, ootte kaikki ihan paskoja.
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Hogge Wild posted:paha sanoa mikä sun pointtisi on kun noita en sun tolstoilaisen pitkiä hysteerisiä itkupotkuraivareita ue Mhm, except as we've clearly seen you hang on my every word, so you must know nobody's buying that.  Kemper Boyd posted:RIP in peace, the credibility of the Finnish police. Ääripäät vauhdissa jälleen
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Jun 3, 2017 19:12
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Such amazing poor judgement. Did none of the cops stop to consider their Facebook group could be infiltrated? It was probably a cop that did it, hänelle voisi antaa mitalin.
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doverhog posted:Such amazing poor judgement. Did none of the cops stop to consider their Facebook group could be infiltrated? It was probably a cop that did it, hänelle voisi antaa mitalin. Seriouspost: They did not consider it possible because they are literally the people too dumb to get into any other civilian job.
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Kemper Boyd posted:Supo dudes are ok tho. There's a guy who worked his rear end off to get in there his entire career but then they plastered his face on all kinds of recruitment ads without asking him so now they don't wanna let him in lol This whole thing is about as surprising as anything else that's come out about the police, like that one opinion piece one of em wrote that said yeah, if you try and hit us or spit at us or whatever you might find yourself getting a few extra bruises on the way to jail. I guess if the whole thing wasn't so stupid it would never come out in this way, so thanks idiots i guess? Kehveli fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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Hoping against better judgement that more Finns will now have a realistic view of the police. My favourite part is that media darling Fobba was a moderator of that FB group and he's now in charge of the internet hate crime task force. doverhog posted:Such amazing poor judgement. Did none of the cops stop to consider their Facebook group could be infiltrated? It was probably a cop that did it, hänelle voisi antaa mitalin. She'd probably have to move to Switzerland like Serpico.
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Antti posted:My favourite part is that media darling Fobba was a moderator of that FB group and he's now in charge of the internet hate crime task force. ahahaha
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If I'd be making bets, I'd bet that Fobba will be thrown under the bus. He's high enough rank, a public figure and has sort of been the face of the absolutely worthless attempts at showing the cops actually care about internet hate crimes. If they think they need to make a really public example of someone, it's going to be him.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMYKhi3YeA
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miksi poliisien pitäisi välittää jostain paskaviestityksestä verkossa ja miksi ihmiset vieläkin luulevat että niiden jahtaamisella saadaan mitään aikaan?
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Triple A posted:miksi poliisien pitäisi välittää jostain paskaviestityksestä verkossa ja miksi ihmiset vieläkin luulevat että niiden jahtaamisella saadaan mitään aikaan? Uh, because say, threatening to rape and murder someone online is actually a crime? And the police kinda see apprehending people guilty of crimes as an important aspect of their duties?
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Yeah, threats of murder or rape are illegal whether you make them online or in person. Mitä sillä saadan aikaan? Mitä jos vaikka rankaistaan näitä vatipäitä jotka viestittelee silleen niin kauan että ne oppii tavoille.
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lol, olen sitten ollut melko usein väkivaltaisen viharikoksen uhri
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So what are you saying exactly? It should be ok to post threats of rape and murder to people on Facebook?
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i'm saying that it's impossible and impractical to apprehend, investigate and convict people every time someone says tapan sut/tapa ittes/etc. online (i.e. all the time) and that the resources for such investigations would be better spent elsewhere. not that it's ok.
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it's almost like there's a difference between saying kys on an anonymous forum and someone sending you elaborate fantasies of rape and murder on facebook over your political views
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Kemper Boyd posted:If I'd be making bets, I'd bet that Fobba will be thrown under the bus. He's high enough rank, a public figure and has sort of been the face of the absolutely worthless attempts at showing the cops actually care about internet hate crimes. If they think they need to make a really public example of someone, it's going to be him. I really don't think anyone will be thrown under the bus but I'd be pleasantly surprised if they get freaked out enough about this to do it. This whole thing is actually sideshow to the fact that ulkomaalaisvalvonta is under the scope again. I can see from the patrol officer's perspective it's ludicrous that if you're doing immigration checkups you're not supposed to routinely stop people who are not white because they're more likely to be immigrants than others, but it's actually bad logic because it means Russians, Estonians, Germans, Swedes, etc. get the pass while you're checking the papers of second-generation Finns of Somalian descent. Go make actually randomized spot-checks at staissi or something. Having the police accost you for paperwork regardless of your naamakerroin would be an enlightening experience for the Finnish voters. Getting actual hits doing random or "random" checks is so unlikely anyway. It's basically a waste of time and more about show-of-force and PR than real results.
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Kehveli posted:it's almost like there's a difference between saying kys on an anonymous forum and someone sending you elaborate fantasies of rape and murder on facebook over your political views what's the difference? are all facebook threats elaborate rape and murder fantasies? are rape and murder fantasies more forgivable if they're not politically motivated?
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Sunday morning bonus: Yle Uutiset interviews a guy who is definitely not a closet Nazi. I'm sure he's just a collector of historical curiosities.
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Hitsipilli, varmaan on natzisti. Pitäisiköhän se laittaa vankilaan? Sillä aikaa taas mennään, nyt Lontoossa. Vassarit reagoi: "mutta fascismi ja rasistit". Voi vittu.
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That's not even straw-manning anymore. You're literally too lazy to even build a semblance of a straw man.
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Haista vittu. Pää ulos perseestä ja käy vaikka lukemassa mitä ihmiset sanovat mm tämän tapaisilla foorumeilla. Jumalauta mikä urpo.
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Tbh it probably doesn't make too much sense to investigate every time someone says "I'll loving kill you" to someone online. In addition, it's not supported by current legal practice either since a threat is only an illegal threat if it is feasible. So saying you'll shove Juha Sipilä inside a horse is not an illegal threat, since it's not feasible to carry out. The real problem with the whole internet hate crime scene are more related to targeted harassment (this is worth a read: http://www.pohjoistuulesta.com/2017/05/somehairinnasta-ja-tappouhkauksista-eli.html) and MV-lehti/Ylilauta type poo poo where individual people are hanged out in public, addresses published and so on for whatever reason. This is something that is perfectly actionable under current laws too, but the problem is that the more or less categorically, the police absolutely refuse to investigate these kind of things. And well, now we have confirmation of why they refuse to do so.
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Mitä ihmettä sä selität?
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Kemper Boyd posted:(this is worth a read: http://www.pohjoistuulesta.com/2017/05/somehairinnasta-ja-tappouhkauksista-eli.html) Thanks for the link, it was indeed pretty funny
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Ligur posted:Haista vittu. Pää ulos perseestä ja käy vaikka lukemassa mitä ihmiset sanovat mm tämän tapaisilla foorumeilla. Jumalauta mikä urpo. Puhu niille niillä foorumeilla sitten, älä meuhkaa asiasta täällä. Fushigi Yuugi fansub posted:what's the difference? are all facebook threats elaborate rape and murder fantasies? are rape and murder fantasies more forgivable if they're not politically motivated? No and no. How about the cops start investigating the most blatant cases where people send dozens of death threats publicly and with their own name?
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Fushigi Yuugi fansub posted:what's the difference? are all facebook threats elaborate rape and murder fantasies? are rape and murder fantasies more forgivable if they're not politically motivated? Mostly (and this is just me obv) that if all I have to go by is a nick and an avatar the likelihood of the target actually feeling threatened or those threats causing severe distress is considerably lower. On Facebook you know they have access to your pictures, real name, hometown, possibly where you work and where you frequent. Sure someone can try and figure it out on Suomi24 or whatever, but imo receiving them on something like fb makes them inherently more severe. Obviously you can get them by email or whatever too, which immediately breaks this spectrum but I think you can get what I'm aiming for. More forgivable, probably not, but I'd imagine in a lot of other cases you'd find the perpetrator to break an existing restraining order (in case of say, a crazy ex). Also the reason I brought it up is because a lot of the stuff is currently aimed at journalists and other people who have their names in the public eye as disagreeing with mv-lehti/hommafoorumi views so it is in a sense more corrosive to society as a whole, not to minimise the suffering of a single victim in a case that's not motivated by such things. I'm mobileposting atm so try not to mind any weird wording or typos thanks
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