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C A B Also, hot drat, look at that Mexico. Normally, they get their teeth kicked in by the USA/PSA when they try to make a grab.
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Jun 3, 2017 11:27
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CBA
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Jun 3, 2017 12:22
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C A B. Two men pay respects Bow politely, smile warmly Both hiding their blades.
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Jun 3, 2017 12:32
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C (with the aim of stabbing them in the back ASAP) A No other option is viable 
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Jun 3, 2017 12:58
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Is there a specific mechanic for stabbing Russia in the back here because as a democracy we can't declare war on them unless them have a crazy high belligerence score and we have the intervention slider maxed out, and given that they have an alliance with Germany they aren't about to get into conflicts large enough to rack up the required belligerence. Also, why would we want to stab them in the back after giving them more land and a longer border that we would have to defend?
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Jun 3, 2017 13:14
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What's with the NaPo Russian flag? It never changed to that when I did a Wrangel playthrough.
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Plutonis posted:What's with the NaPo Russian flag? It never changed to that when I did a Wrangel playthrough. It's new with a recent patch and comes with what basically replaces the Wrangel-Vozhd-path. Wrangel was a lot more moderate than a guy that would be a fitting figurehead for the Nazi Russia path, so he now takes what is essentially the Denikin part (I think) and somebody new (don't remember who exactly) now gets to run Russia in the Vozhd path, which comes with that fancy new flag.
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Jun 3, 2017 13:34
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A C B
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RZApublican posted:Is there a specific mechanic for stabbing Russia in the back here because as a democracy we can't declare war on them unless them have a crazy high belligerence score and we have the intervention slider maxed out, and given that they have an alliance with Germany they aren't about to get into conflicts large enough to rack up the required belligerence. Also, why would we want to stab them in the back after giving them more land and a longer border that we would have to defend? They don't have an alliance with Germany, they guarantee to come to Germany's aid in a war with France specifically. Plus, I think the idea is that we stab them in the back while they're still fighting in Europe but we've mopped up the Krauts' Asian colonies. I have no idea if there's a mechanic to break the alliance mid-war, but C on the off-chance.
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Jun 3, 2017 14:04
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I'll find a way to make it so that I can double cross them if it comes to that.
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Jun 3, 2017 15:14
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If my DH knowledge is accurate, I'm pretty sure decisions have the capability to just break everything. So you can just cook up a decision that breaks the alliance, cleans up the resulting two alliances (Japan + their allies / Russia + their allies) and declares war, then just fire that at will.
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Jun 3, 2017 16:13
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C A B
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Jun 3, 2017 17:19
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A C B
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Jun 3, 2017 17:49
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Since this is a major decision about creating or staying out of a Eurasian alliance with Russia, here's information about the rest of the world's powers. THE INTERNATIONALE:    France and Britain are mainstream syndicalists while the Combined Syndicates as of now has taken a more moderate tack with Norman Thomas in charge. They don't particularly like us though, since we are supporters of the Pacific States.  The Pacific States has gone a tad more right but they're certainly in our area ideologically. I checked, they are at 0% to accept an alliance, I'm certain due to their high isolationism. They will end up wherever their event chain deposits them. THE ENTENTE:   The Entente except for National France are all democratic. We have an 88% chance to join the Entente, so that is an option at basically any time, and it may be something I put up for a vote in the event that we don't form an alliance with Russia.  Germany is democratic as of now, but our collision course with them is set.   And of course, there is Russia which is very nasty but also potentially very dangerous for us (as far as I know, if we were allied and attacked Germany, their NAP wouldn't matter and they would be drawn in regardless). Basically, the Entente are our true brothers in ideology but their ability to help us is limited at the moment while Russia are ideological foes of liberalism but we have a mutual enemy in Germany. csm141 fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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Jun 3, 2017 17:49
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CAB Giving up Transamur for the sake of diplomacy is reasonable, for appeasement never.
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Jun 3, 2017 18:05
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ACB gently caress the Russians we're not betraying our allies Also  Uncommonly open and not-repressive countries in this timeline.
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Jun 3, 2017 18:35
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ACB
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Jun 3, 2017 21:01
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A with an eye for joining the Entente later.
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Jun 3, 2017 21:39
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CAB
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Jun 4, 2017 05:22
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ABC, and join the Entente when possible. No compromises with enemies of democracy. You should all be ashamed!
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Jun 6, 2017 13:32
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ACB We already have a friendly Russia, it's just small right now.
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Jun 6, 2017 14:21
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Option A defeats Option C by 17-14 (1 non-SA vote for A). Japan will not be entering into an alliance with Russia and will stand behind Transamur.
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Part Six: I Hope You’re All Pleased With Yourselves (January-April 1938) When rumors of a Russo-Japanese alliance spread following the Russian conquest of Mongolia, the Minseito government proclaimed publicly that an alliance targeted against Germany with the far right Vozhd regime was out of the question.  The lack of Russia as a partner in a confrontation with Germany and China complicated matters for Army planners, and the failure of the AOG-Qing standoff to break out into armed conflict also disappointed the planners.   The Qing Empire doubling in size overnight was an unwelcome development, as was their acquisition of the Portuguese port of Macao.  The Qing’s largest remaining contender for control of China, the National Protection Alliance centered around the Yunnan Clique, responded by seeking to seize Tibet. The previously fractious situation had China had quickly coalesced into four distinct units: the Japanese sphere, the National Protection Alliance, the Russian sphere, and the Qing Empire.  Japan was now contending with a much larger foe than it had anticipated.    The foreign developments did not change the Minseito’s plans to liberalize the economy, and the more competitive environment was already resulting in faster production of munitions.   Fortunately for the Japanese, the Russians did not take their claims on Transamur to war, at least not yet.  This strengthened the Japanese position when the Army instigated its plan to trigger a war with Qing.  Germany, despite losing the AOG to Qing, agreed to back China against Japan. The government refused to back down. Japan had taken on an incredible challenge on both land and sea. If they were successful, it would shift the balance of power in Asia forever. If they were unsuccessful, then Qing China would rise to power over the corpse of Japan’s empire. STRATEGY SESSION  The Sphere is currently at war with the Mitteleuropa alliance, which includes all the above.  There are two theaters to consider here. The general mainland theater stretches from the frontier with the Qing Empire to Saigon. The Pacific theater consists of Germany’s mainly possessions, including Singapore, North Borneo, Northwest New Guinea and the various islands of Melanesia and Polynesia.  Germany’s Navy is large but many of the ships are old. However, Japan’s domestic difficulties have prevented us from building many ships of our own. Our carriers under production will not be ready until 1940.  On the outbreak of war, the Sphere’s military was mobilizing towards the border with Qing China. There was a clear advantage in terms of forces present on the frontier, but the total size of the Qing forces was larger.  On the Home Islands were four marine divisions, who were being held in reserve, possibly to open up a second front in China or to seize German colonial possessions. To put it frankly, Japan had taken a hard path and seemed ready to pay for it. By committing to a liberal ideal and choosing confrontation with the greatest power of its day, Japan had not been able to expand its military like authoritarian and syndicalist states had been able to. 1936 was a year of chaos, not preparation, and the confrontation with Qing China and Imperial Germany came about sooner than anybody would have liked. However, Japan was not alone in believing that the age of the liberal democratic empires had not passed. There was an alliance that could help them.   POLICY VOTE: Join the Entente? Yes or No.
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Jun 9, 2017 07:43
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Yes Joining the Entente will ensure our domination in Asia.
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Jun 9, 2017 08:24
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No.
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Jun 9, 2017 08:26
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God Yes
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Jun 9, 2017 08:28
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Hell yeah!  
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Jun 9, 2017 09:07
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YES
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Jun 9, 2017 09:08
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Yes Oh man that was bad luck. I play Qing a lot, so I knew a straight up annexation of the AOG is possible, but it's not the most likely of outcomes. Worse still the "inheritance" of the AOG means that they get all of the AOGs troops too, which stops the easy strat of just powering through the south. Voting yes because while Japan can totally take on even this bigger Qing and Germany, if Russia gets involved it's not gonna be a fun time
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Jun 9, 2017 09:11
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Yes
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Jun 9, 2017 09:14
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Probably better.
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Jun 9, 2017 09:15
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We're not really in a position to say anything but yes
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Jun 9, 2017 09:27
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Of course yes
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Jun 9, 2017 10:27
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We need SOME kind of ally. Yes
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Jun 9, 2017 10:54
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Yes.
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Jun 9, 2017 11:16
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Yes.
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Jun 9, 2017 11:59
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No To cling to the skirts of the Entente is to say that we are dependent on white powers to cement our greatness. If the fates have chosen this path for Japan, then it is for a reason. Have you no concept of the strength of our people? We shall prevail!
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Jun 9, 2017 12:02
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YES Not only must we obey the laws of realpolitik, but ideologically we must stand with other democracies, especially against the great tyrant that is Russia.
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Hell yes.
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