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Yeah for loving real. Driving it through the mountains around Denver, I had it flat on the floor, practically on the redline and it was still 5 under the speed lining and not accelerating going up hill. The best things I could say for it was the mpg was acceptable, the interior was comfortable ish, out side of that it was a miserable car. I had a Cherokee trail hawk last time I was in Denver. That was more fun. But the electric power steering would over heat and shut off if you put it in sport with TCS and started drifting it on dirt roads. The trans was loving awful still though. Also the trail hawks climate control and infotainment was better.
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Christobevii3 posted:Knowing chevy it probably adds chrome everywhere 
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Sadi posted:Yeah for loving real. Driving it through the mountains around Denver, I had it flat on the floor, practically on the redline and it was still 5 under the speed lining and not accelerating going up hill. The best things I could say for it was the mpg was acceptable, the interior was comfortable ish, out side of that it was a miserable car. I had a Cherokee trail hawk last time I was in Denver. That was more fun. But the electric power steering would over heat and shut off if you put it in sport with TCS and started drifting it on dirt roads. The trans was loving awful still though. Also the trail hawks climate control and infotainment was better. I remember living in Colorado Springs as a kid and my friend's dad had a 4 cyl 4x4 nissan hardbody while mine had a 4.0L cherokee. It was just expected at altitude that the most that nissan could manage up vail pass was 45 flat out. The cherokee had no such problems.
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bull3964 posted:So what is the current hot take on the Focus RS? Did they finally resolve the leaking transfer case issues? Anything else pop up? I would go for it just make sure you buy a 17, they seem to have sorted all the kinks out in the 17. Or try for a fancy LE if it's not much more money.
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The transmission that Jeep puts in the Renegade is dire. I hated the Renegade I has a rental, and I went in really wanting to like it. It just hunts and hunts for the right gear when you make the slightest change to throttle input and never reacts smoothly or quickly to anything.
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Jun 3, 2017 16:50
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big money big clit posted:The transmission that Jeep puts in the Renegade is dire. I hated the Renegade I has a rental, and I went in really wanting to like it. It just hunts and hunts for the right gear when you make the slightest change to throttle input and never reacts smoothly or quickly to anything. I've heard that 9-speed ZF transmission was a real pile of poo poo. If I was handed a Renegade for a rental, I'd probably ask for something....anything else.
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Domestic Amuse posted:I've heard that 9-speed ZF transmission was a real pile of poo poo. If I was handed a Renegade for a rental, I'd probably ask for something....anything else. No, the transmission is largely sound, but FCA in their infinite wisdom not only license produce it themselves, but they also opted to do their own control module and programming. That is why it is such a heap of poo poo.
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I keep hearing people say "oh, today's automatics are so much better than manuals!" but I have yet to see it actually be true outside of high-end cars (and even then, it's not a given). Why are automatic transmissions still so poo poo in so many cars?
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On the other hand, I'm a big fan of well-executed DCTs. The '17 Audi A4 has one  the S4 weirdly gets an automatic.
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PT6A posted:I keep hearing people say "oh, today's automatics are so much better than manuals!" but I have yet to see it actually be true outside of high-end cars (and even then, it's not a given). Cost mostly. The luxury 8-10 speeds get the proper amount of care and thought into their control modules, maybe some learning algorithms, taking load into account, more or less instantaneous shifts in semi auto, the nice stuff. 6 speeds get a fall through switch statement in a loop. Good autos have been good since like 06 Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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Jun 3, 2017 18:27
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Anecdotal obviously, but I am actually quite impressed with the Ford six speed that is in the 2015 Mustang and F150s. Once the factory programmed sport mode is engaged, it's 90% of how I would manually shift in both timing and speed. I think they're called the 6R80?
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Ford's transmission programming seems to be absolutely on point these days. I've driven a few of their cars with automatics (of different transmission types too) and I have to grudgingly admit they've done a good job in every case.
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MrChips posted:No, the transmission is largely sound, but FCA in their infinite wisdom not only license produce it themselves, but they also opted to do their own control module and programming. That is why it is such a heap of poo poo. Why do you think this is the case? It seems hated just as much in the Acuras and Land Rovers. I think it has more to do with the huge ratio spread making 9th almost useless and the two dog clutches that make certain shifts feel really bad. Do they not do the calibration for the 8 speed as well?
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As I was puttering along on a ~350 mile highway jaunt today I was musing how much I'd love to be loping along in a V8 Lincoln sedan based on a stretched Mustang platform. I can't blame Ford/Lincoln for not bothering though. Such a car would be a complete sales failure in today's market. Shame.
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big money big clit posted:The transmission that Jeep puts in the Renegade is dire. I hated the Renegade I has a rental, and I went in really wanting to like it. It just hunts and hunts for the right gear when you make the slightest change to throttle input and never reacts smoothly or quickly to anything. The 6 speed with the 1.4t was nice though. One more reason to avoid automatics I guess.
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Mazda's autos are great too. My mom is visiting from out of state and got a Kia Soul for a rental. I had to drive it quite a bit today and came away impressed. Drove nice, handled nice, and it could get out of its own way. Think it's kinda cool looking too.
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Michael Scott posted:On the other hand, I'm a big fan of well-executed DCTs. I don't think that's particularly weird - the VaG DSGs have always been about cost cutting so you wouldn't expect them to appear in the high end cars
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dissss posted:I don't think that's particularly weird - the VaG DSGs have always been about cost cutting so you wouldn't expect them to appear in the high end cars The new RS3 has the 7 speed DCT. It's traditionally been reserved for sportier Audis. The official version is that it can't handle the torque of the new turbocharged engine in the S4/5.
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jfreder posted:Why do you think this is the case? It seems hated just as much in the Acuras and Land Rovers. I think it has more to do with the huge ratio spread making 9th almost useless and the two dog clutches that make certain shifts feel really bad. Do they not do the calibration for the 8 speed as well? I love the zf8 in BMWs. I know they are made by zf for BMW I didn't know who programs them but they are just solid and shift fast and like I'd want them to.
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Sadi posted:I love the zf8 in BMWs. I know they are made by zf for BMW I didn't know who programs them but they are just solid and shift fast and like I'd want them to. That's the one auto I've driven that didn't really do anything to make me upset. Especially in sport mode, it's really a good transmission setup.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:As I was puttering along on a ~350 mile highway jaunt today I was musing how much I'd love to be loping along in a V8 Lincoln sedan based on a stretched Mustang platform. I can't blame Ford/Lincoln for not bothering though. Such a car would be a complete sales failure in today's market. I know the mustang sells plenty, but I am still honestly surprised Ford isn't using that platform for anything else, at least to lower development costs. Bring back the Falcon dammit!
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Wistful of Dollars posted:As I was puttering along on a ~350 mile highway jaunt today I was musing how much I'd love to be loping along in a V8 Lincoln sedan based on a stretched Mustang platform. I can't blame Ford/Lincoln for not bothering though. Such a car would be a complete sales failure in today's market. Only if it's got a four barrel carb and dual exhaust. You know, with 4.11 gears you can really get lost.
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As Nero Danced posted:I know the mustang sells plenty, but I am still honestly surprised Ford isn't using that platform for anything else, at least to lower development costs. Bring back the Falcon dammit! I bet there's a bunch of people at the company who would love to do just that, but even if the engineering were *relatively* easy it still costs money, plus the factory tooling, etc. I can guess it just doesn't make business sense, even if people within the company would like to do it.  Cadillac has less excuses for not plopping an LS3 into the CTS.  Deteriorata posted:Only if it's got a four barrel carb and dual exhaust. You know, with 4.11 gears you can really get lost. One step at a time.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:As I was puttering along on a ~350 mile highway jaunt today I was musing how much I'd love to be loping along in a V8 Lincoln sedan based on a stretched Mustang platform. I can't blame Ford/Lincoln for not bothering though. Such a car would be a complete sales failure in today's market. There's still the Charger and rhe Genesis I guess...
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Cadillac has less excuses for not plopping an LS3 into the ATS. FTFY
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Cadillac has less excuses for not plopping an LS3 into the CTS. As far as I can tell, the only reasons are trying to "modernize" their image and cargo culting German carmakers. "We need to show we are a modern car company and not the company known for hundreds of years for making big powerful v8 luxury cars, so we will deliberately not give consumers what they want except for the Escalade". Coincidentally their only successful product is the Escalade
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Deteriorata posted:Only if it's got a four barrel carb and dual exhaust. You know, with 4.11 gears you can really get lost. My main complaint about those cars is that the brakes are good, but the tires are just fair. It could have something to do with the way I'm driving them, though.
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PT6A posted:I keep hearing people say "oh, today's automatics are so much better than manuals!" but I have yet to see it actually be true outside of high-end cars (and even then, it's not a given). I'm pretty happy with the automatic in my xB, was pretty worried I would hate it but for the most part it's been great.
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:As far as I can tell, the only reasons are trying to "modernize" their image and cargo culting German carmakers. "We need to show we are a modern car company and not the company known for hundreds of years for making big powerful v8 luxury cars, so we will deliberately not give consumers what they want except for the Escalade". Coincidentally their only successful product is the Escalade Yep, and the Escalade is wildly successful as far as its contribution to GM's overall profit margins. Meanwhile the dealers around here have 1.5 year old ATSs advertised at $12K off a $40K MSRP
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Our cheapest car used to be called the CTS and came with a V6. Oh, let's make a new flagship range-topper sedan, give it boring styling that looks like the CTS, and we'll call it the CT6. It costs sixty thousand dollars. No V8.
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Our cheapest car used to be called the CTS and came with a V6. Oh, let's make a new flagship range-topper sedan, give it boring styling that looks like the CTS, and we'll call it the CT6. It costs sixty thousand dollars. No V8. What was that electric Volt with the Cadillac badge on it that they tried hocking for lots of money? ATS? I've seen a couple of them around town and while they look nice that was a classic GM move.
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I mean yeah they could make a DOHC v8 again ala the northstar but thats too way too much r&d cost. Now if the ZR1 is DOHC we might start to see it in cadillacs. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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KakerMix posted:What was that electric Volt with the Cadillac badge on it that they tried hocking for lots of money? ATS? I've seen a couple of them around town and while they look nice that was a classic GM move. The ELR It was basically a Volt coupe, and sold about as well as any other hybrid coupe
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Rigged Death Trap posted:I mean yeah they could make a DOHC v8 again ala the northstar but thats too way too much r&d cost. The SBC is fine and plenty smooth for luxury duty imo
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Remember how the first generation CTS-V was stick only? And the second gen came with a stick option? Let's eliminate that for the 3rd gen and thus eliminate any repeat customers from previous generations who want to row gears. Let's also continue with CUE. A system that is so lovely, there has never once been a favorable review in any magazine or article about Cadillac cars.
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Franco Caution posted:Remember how the first generation CTS-V was stick only? And the second gen came with a stick option? Let's eliminate that for the 3rd gen and thus eliminate any repeat customers from previous generations who want to row gears. CUE now has Apple Carplay and Android Auto so hopefully it will be fine now
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big money big clit posted:The new RS3 has the 7 speed DCT. It's traditionally been reserved for sportier Audis. The official version is that it can't handle the torque of the new turbocharged engine in the S4/5. The DSG in the A4 is a simplified design of the one in the old S4. It was redesigned to be much smoother and it is also cheaper as it was designed to handle less power. Audi used a beefed up DSG that now has an extra gear (vs the old 6 speed unit) in the S/RS3 and TTS/RS because it was cheaper work with their in house design than to get ZF design a beefed up 9 speed unit for a small production run. The 9HP48 has a maximum torque rating of 354 lb ft which is what the RS3 and TTRS engine put out. Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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I won't be so optimistic as to think that plopping a V8 option into the CTS or CT6 would suddenly make them the hottest cars on the market, but it sure as hell wouldn't hurt. The CTS and CT6 are rare cases of cars that literally need minimal engineering or R&D to use a V8.
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:The ELR I always called it the Cimarron II. I wish Cadillac would stop chasing the German designers, I can understand it's their market segment, but they have one of the best V8 engines available to them that would compete brilliantly but they refuse to use it because "BMW doesn't use one so we won't either!"
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