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MOVIE MAJICK
Jan 4, 2012

by Pragmatica
Great, can someone tell me how close Christa and Reiner were in season 1 so I don't have to rewatch while still theorizing?

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Terper
Jun 26, 2012


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2sqHPWHEjo

Saagonsa
Dec 29, 2012

MOVIE MAJICK posted:

Great, can someone tell me how close Christa and Reiner were in season 1 so I don't have to rewatch while still theorizing?

Yeah, it's basically just the scene where Christa gives them horses and he thinks she's a goddess. That's it along with him thinking about how he wants to marry her when she uses her skirt to splint his arm in season 2.

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


Christa/Historia is my favorite character in Attack on Titan.

Saagonsa
Dec 29, 2012

Oh, yeah, it's hosed up that y'all are still calling her Christa after she said that her real name was Historia!

Actually I never thought about it but it's also kinda super weird that Connie of all people still calls her Christa, even after what they went through together in Utgard castle.

Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?
Grimey Drawer
Connie is an rear end in a top hat, that's why.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Saagonsa posted:

Oh, yeah, it's hosed up that y'all are still calling her Christa after she said that her real name was Historia!

it's shorter and people are used to it

Sylphid
Aug 3, 2012
I dunno, does Christa like one name over another? I like Christa because it's an actual name, and it's cuter.

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth sixth some day
Clearly, Historia is her deadname and Ymir's an rear end in a top hat.

Arrgytehpirate
Oct 2, 2011

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



I know this chick who used to play softball and everyone called her by her last name. She got married. No one calls her anything different. That's how poo poo works.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013
Has she announced to anyone other than Hange and Ymir that it's her name?

Philip Rivers
Mar 15, 2010

I like the lesbian couple the best thanks

Sylphid
Aug 3, 2012

Philip Rivers posted:

I like the lesbian couple the best thanks

That goes without saying when talking about Christa and / or Ymir.

E-flat
Jun 22, 2007

3-flat
My favorite part was how Ymir gave Krista poo poo for abandoning her real name to take up a fake one and play pretend while she, Ymir, chose to continue using her name when given her second lease on life

and in this episode we find out Ymir is her fake name


dat Ymir for ya. :v:

Kytrarewn
Jul 15, 2011

Solving mysteries in
Bb, F and D.
On the one hand, we learned some interesting stuff that episode. I'm not at all sure what was going on with The cult for which Ymir played Messiah, but it gave some interesting insight into her personality and her belief that she shouldn't lie to anyone, even if she thinks that it will be to the temporary benefit of someone else. In the end, the details of what went on there may not actually be immediately important, though The thing about the King's Blood and Ymir's ability to Titanify herself may turn out to be related

We also learned a couple of other interesting things:
1. Ymir is about 90 years old
2. Titans gain the ability to turn human upon eating someone, until which point they're the mindless killing machines we already know? Perhaps that also explains the thing that Ernie was talking about with regard to "Those ones are unable to move at night" in the last episode. Could that, perhaps, explain all of the aberrant titans? Do they, perhaps, not get their special abilities until such point as they gain sentience by eating someone? Ymir ate what might or might not have been a proto-titan, since all of Reiner's party looked older than 12 or 13 or whatever they should have been 5 years ago when the event probably occurred
3. Eren, as well, probably ate someone at some point in time to gain sentience in his titan form. Was this before he was taken in by Grisha? Or was it during the time that he was rampaging after he was "killed" in S1? The revelation about Ymir's actual age when compared to her apparent age is interesting on that front. What if Grisha's injection wasn't, indeed, what titanized him, but was something to inhibit his ability to transform until it was actually needed?
4. Christa is somehow important for finding something called "The Coordinate", which Bert and Ernie think, but are not sure, refers to Eren.
5. Conny's mom turned into a titan and is able to speak. Does that mean that Conny, as well, is a proto-titan? Did Conny's mom eat someone to gain her sentience? She hasn't turned back, but is clearly aberrant, so who knows?
6. Bert's human form has a crush on Annie's human form. That's interesting, and we should have already guessed it because of titans' lack of genitals, but is shows that they primarily think of themselves as their human forms, and also that the reproductive urge occurs in some form.

On the other hand, we leave the episode in approximately the same place that we entered it, except with one no-name character dead and Christa having been captured by Ymir's party. I'm not sure how long they're going to entertain the idea that Christa was actually killed, especially since Ymir was swallowed by Bert's titan form and came out ok on the other side in her own right, which seems kinda silly, but hopefully they'll get past that soon.

Anyway, after wasting your time with a long description of everything that happened in the episode you watched anyway, I still have no idea what's going on, but some interesting context for other events was provided, and it helps me, at least, to write it all down. At this point I'm 100% sure that I'm going to read the manga from the beginning after the season is over.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
There's a way to grab something in your mouth and transport it without harm

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
Like when I suck another man's dick

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
This episode breaks significantly from the previous episodes and may end up setting things up to rush if not skip altogether an entire arc from the manga in a future third season (which would likely take up an entire cour if it was played out akin to the manga). Not sure how I feel about that. The arc was divisive, but important.

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth sixth some day

Kytrarewn posted:

I'm not sure how long they're going to entertain the idea that Christa was actually killed, especially since Ymir was swallowed by Bert's titan form and came out ok on the other side in her own right, which seems kinda silly, but hopefully they'll get past that soon.

Zero time because she literally shows in the next episode preview after the credits.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Toonami just spoiled the Reiner and Bertholt twist.

Sam Faust
Feb 20, 2015


"Dude! Let me in! I’m a fairy! "

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth sixth some day
"You have something that belongs to me."

Arrgytehpirate
Oct 2, 2011

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



The best part of this episode was Eren stub punching Reiner

Renoistic
Jul 27, 2007

Everyone has a
guardian angel.
Pretty good episode with some nice reveals! Those off-model faces at the end of the episode though, yeeesh

Asuron
Nov 27, 2012

Captain Invictus posted:

This episode breaks significantly from the previous episodes and may end up setting things up to rush if not skip altogether an entire arc from the manga in a future third season (which would likely take up an entire cour if it was played out akin to the manga). Not sure how I feel about that. The arc was divisive, but important.

There is literally no way they can skip the next arc after this. Don't be silly.

There are too many things that are far too important to skip in that arc that leads into everything that comes after that would make it impossible to do so and I'll be honest I'm not even sure how you could believe or even entertain that notion at all.

On the 0.001 chance they do that, that would be incredibly loving dumb because nothing the characters do or say would make sense, just by virtue of how many actions that arc setup.

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth sixth some day
The goon hateboner for the next arc is unbelievable. Character development is bad writing if it's not on the characters they like.

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord
Holy moley, titan serum has been a thing since way before eren's dad found out about it! And they're using it as corporal punishment! :stare:

Kytrarewn
Jul 15, 2011

Solving mysteries in
Bb, F and D.

Freakazoid_ posted:

Holy moley, titan serum has been a thing since way before eren's dad found out about it! And they're using it as corporal punishment! :stare:

I was watching on a small laptop screen so perhaps I missed a small detail... but It was unclear to me when Ymir was infected. I don't know that we saw any other members of the cult turn into titans when shoved off the wall- it just looked to me like they stabbed her through the heart with a sword and pushed her off, perhaps not knowing that she would turn into a titan in the process. It seemed more likely to me that the "Blood of the King" thing the cult was going on about was referring to her ability to withstand treatment with titan serum..

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
You missed something. It's only visible for a few frames as the guy is kicking her off but you can see his other hand is holding a syringe, not a sword.

Sindai fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jun 4, 2017

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Sindai posted:

You missed something. It's only visible for a few frames as the guy is kicking you off but you can see his other hand is holding a syringe, not a sword.

Also didn't the woman who got pushed off the wall just before Ymir cause a flash of titan lightning, too? So presumably everyone's ending up like that.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
Now that I go back and look the confusion is even more understandable. That was very much a "stabbed with large pointy thing" sound effect they used. Bad sound guys.

Gantolandon
Aug 19, 2012

Freakazoid_ posted:

Holy moley, titan serum has been a thing since way before eren's dad found out about it! And they're using it as corporal punishment! :stare:

This seems to be a completely different city than the one where Eren lives - uniforms worn by the soldiers bear no resemblance to the ones used by any of the three branches of the military. It would also make no sense if, after only 60 years, no one remembered their society used to publicly titanify people as punishment.

Kytrarewn
Jul 15, 2011

Solving mysteries in
Bb, F and D.

Gantolandon posted:

This seems to be a completely different city than the one where Eren lives - uniforms worn by the soldiers bear no resemblance to the ones used by any of the three branches of the military. It would also make no sense if, after only 60 years, no one remembered their society used to publicly titanify people as punishment.

That's another aspect that confused me. Dana Carvey had a bit about how many people would have had to know about any conspiracy to frame OJ Simpson back in the day, and if this were the city we know, a similarly large number of the people we know would have to be feigning surprise over some of the plot twists.

CasinoV
Aug 13, 2009

Asuron posted:

There is literally no way they can skip the next arc after this. Don't be silly.

There are too many things that are far too important to skip in that arc that leads into everything that comes after that would make it impossible to do so and I'll be honest I'm not even sure how you could believe or even entertain that notion at all.

On the 0.001 chance they do that, that would be incredibly loving dumb because nothing the characters do or say would make sense, just by virtue of how many actions that arc setup.

I don't think they will skip it, but they might try and do it in 6 episodes instead of 12.

Sam Faust
Feb 20, 2015

Gantolandon posted:

This seems to be a completely different city than the one where Eren lives - uniforms worn by the soldiers bear no resemblance to the ones used by any of the three branches of the military. It would also make no sense if, after only 60 years, no one remembered their society used to publicly titanify people as punishment.

Was that really public? They were throwing people off the top of the walls to the outside. Who would be watching that wasn't already in on the conspiracy?

Hargrimm
Sep 22, 2011

W A R R E N
Didn't the eyecatch say that Ymir's hometown is an unknown location outside of the walls? I assumed they mentioned that because those scenes were taking place in said hometown that is somewhere we haven't seen or known about before.

Gantolandon
Aug 19, 2012

Kytrarewn posted:

2. Titans gain the ability to turn human upon eating someone, until which point they're the mindless killing machines we already know? Perhaps that also explains the thing that Ernie was talking about with regard to "Those ones are unable to move at night" in the last episode. Could that, perhaps, explain all of the aberrant titans? Do they, perhaps, not get their special abilities until such point as they gain sentience by eating someone? Ymir ate what might or might not have been a proto-titan, since all of Reiner's party looked older than 12 or 13 or whatever they should have been 5 years ago when the event probably occurred
3. Eren, as well, probably ate someone at some point in time to gain sentience in his titan form. Was this before he was taken in by Grisha? Or was it during the time that he was rampaging after he was "killed" in S1? The revelation about Ymir's actual age when compared to her apparent age is interesting on that front. What if Grisha's injection wasn't, indeed, what titanized him, but was something to inhibit his ability to transform until it was actually needed?

It's interesting how Eren remembers his last meeting with Grisha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeTJ3zSsSfg

At first, it's a normal retrospection - we see Dr. Jaeger preparing the syringe and giving his son an injection. From there, we only hear his voice, screaming his last words. Given that the serum seems to transform Ymir and her compatriots pretty immediately, it's possible Grisha speaks to Eren's titan form - and gets eaten, which gives his son a way to reverse the transformation.

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth sixth some day
You guys should look up the "Ilse's Notebook" OVA.

Catalina
May 20, 2008



CasinoV posted:

I don't think they will skip it, but they might try and do it in 6 episodes instead of 12.

That's what I'm thinking, too. Having read them recently in one shot, I think it would be possible to condense the third and fourth arcs into one 12-episode arc, and that would be a good idea, storytelling-wise. Especially since 1 episode is about 1.5 chapters of material, even with the extras the anime adds.That could also lead to the story wrapping up in probably 24 more episodes after that, given when the editor has said the story is set to end, so that there didn't have to be these huge gaps between anime seasons.

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SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



Conspiratiorist posted:

You guys should look up the "Ilse's Notebook" OVA.

The OVAs are good, especially this one and the Levi ones.

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