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Rugoberta Munchu posted:Huh? Baptists outnumber Catholics like a zillion to one below the Mason-Dixon line. The KKK hated Catholics. BirdOfPlay posted:Did you stop reading about Protestants after Calvinism? Also, thought you'd prefer that people did good deeds because it was the right thing to do, not cause they were bad. The proper time to start Mass is at 5 pm on a Saturday.
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Terrible Opinions posted:That's my whole point. If you live in say Georgia for a while it's pretty obvious why the Reformation looks like a big rear end mistake. I mean you've got a Protestant sponsored terrorist group right there, the KKK, and various other Protestant terrorist groups that aren't explicitly endorsed but still wear their religion with pride. You're forgetting that the foundation of American Christianity literally is the too nutty protestants jumping on a ship to go somewhere where no one could contest their ideas.
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MiddleOne posted:You're forgetting that the foundation of American Christianity literally is the too nutty protestants jumping on a ship to go somewhere where no one could contest their ideas.
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The reformation was needed. The church has cleaned up their act from the cartoonish corruption of that time. But now its forms of Protestantism that's doing crap like indulgences, really divorced from their roots.
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Liberation Theology is where it's at. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDmEI-8GUV4
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:The reformation was needed. The church has cleaned up their act from the cartoonish corruption of that time. But now its forms of Protestantism that's doing crap like indulgences, really divorced from their roots. The roots of Martin Luther being a huge hypocrite who said "Solo Scriptura? What's that?" and condemned a bunch of other Christians who then got massacred by Luther's German sugar daddies. The Catholic Church had problems but the Reformation was its own problem. Really, what we have today is the best situation for Christians in all of history, at least in my opinion. They have all the diversity of the pre-canon Christian sects with none of the horrible persecution and murder.
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business hammocks posted:This seems implausible. Lots of scholarship predates the 80s, and political scientists and philosophers have been fixated on the hows and whys since the 50s. Plus in the realm of the arts alone you have Judgment at Nuremberg and The Pawnbroker in the 60s. Plus like, I don't know, gross Bruno Matei porno and Salon Kitty or whatever. From the essay I posted earlier: quote:That is why, to take a famous example, when Primo Levi took his Auschwitz memoir Se questo è un uomo to the major Italian publisher Einaudi in 1946 it was rejected out of hand. At that time, and for some years to come, it was Bergen-Belsen and Dachau, not Auschwitz, which stood for the horror of Nazism; the emphasis on political deportees rather than racial ones conformed better to reassuring postwar accounts of wartime national resistance. Levi’s book was eventually published, but in just 2,500 copies by a small local press. Hardly anyone bought it; many copies of the book were remaindered in a warehouse in Florence and destroyed in the great flood there in 1966.
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Midig posted:Catholicism has more of a traditionalist and ritualistic appeal though. I tend to think of Protestantism in America as quite unappealing. Examples: I don't have the American perspective, frankly I have a certain respect for the a lot of Protestant denominations since they aren't so caught up with an overwrought church hierarchy and give more initiative to regular people, and like I said if I was taking Theology and studied the bible more seriously I think I'd find basic protestant arguments more convincing. I also went to a Quaker secondary school and it overall left me with a pretty good impression about those guys. In Europe it feels like Catholicism has been much more intrusive in peoples lives over the last century than most Protestant sects while also generally being more reactionary (except in Northern Ireland, where things are much closer to how they are in America to the best of my understanding), that's not even mentioning the horrible child abuse scandals that have swept the church in recent decades, in Ireland that really blackened peoples attitudes towards the Catholic Church.
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MiddleOne posted:You're forgetting that the foundation of American Christianity literally is the too nutty protestants jumping on a ship to go somewhere where no one could contest their ideas. Sorry for the off-topic but the best recent movie I've seen about this is The Witch. It rules. SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:The reformation was needed. The church has cleaned up their act from the cartoonish corruption of that time. But now its forms of Protestantism that's doing crap like indulgences, really divorced from their roots. Yeah it's pretty ironic that now it's denominational churches like the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God (big in Brazil) that indulge in the worst excesses of pre-reformation Catholicism. Fados fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Fados posted:Yeah it's pretty ironic that now it's denominational churches like the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God (big in Brazil) that indulge in the worst excesses of pre-reformation Catholicism. "Offshoot group that rejected original group accidentally recreates everything they hated about the original group" case example 1,138.
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Rugoberta Munchu posted:For those who remember the goon who made that music video "Random Access Memory" with his band The Unhandled Exceptions, he is still at it. Oh my god. This might have been the funniest thing I saw all day. I'm not sure if it's the inspirational cloud background, him pretending to play the piano, or HOLY poo poo! your trying to parody John Lennon. I'm crying.
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Huzanko posted:Like someone up thread said - she's just been a piece of poo poo the whole time, she just met someone who made her feel okay about being a piece of poo poo. Apparently she is and always has been a TERF? I didn't know that. I dunno why I'm so concerned about this. It's probably because Green is (or was) a popularizer of feminism/social justice to kids and if she is cozying up to pepes, I'm worried a whole bunch of kids are going to think that's cool and fine, and thus the next generation's Overton window shifts. I should probably be more worried about someone like Pewdiepie who actually has a broad audience of young people rather than a youtuber who's heyday was like what, 2012?
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She has made several videos supportive of trans people and is not at all a radical feminist of any kind. She's like a textbook example of a liberal or bourgeois feminist (not meant as an insult) who invites kids into basic conversations about bodily autonomy and reproductive health. Even with her bullshit equivocation between mras and mean feminists or whatever, I never got the sense that she was siding with the pepes but calling for civility and a naive but sincere understanding of freedom of speech.
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The "Laci is a TERF" thing came about because she used the t-word in a very early video. There was a huge internet shitstorm about it in (I'm gonna saaay) 2011 when somebody found it. She apologised, said she hadn't understood how bad it was at the time etc. Around this time, she claimed that three transpeople with baseball bats approached her in a carpark at night, and threatened to kill her. It's been hard to verify either way, but whatever happened clearly shook her up quite a lot. I really want to be on her side because she was a super important figure to me when I was grappling with my queer identity, but dating Ray Gun Chris is uh ... an interesting development.
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BigRed0427 posted:Oh my god. This might have been the funniest thing I saw all day. I'm not sure if it's the inspirational cloud background, him pretending to play the piano, or HOLY poo poo! your trying to parody John Lennon. Let's not forget that despite all the super important an-cap ideas, he still doesn't answer the "Who will build the roads?" question. "Who will build the roads? Uh... I'm sure we'll figure it out. It's not important."
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mojo1701a posted:Let's not forget that despite all the super important an-cap ideas, he still doesn't answer the "Who will build the roads?" question. I mean, the standard ancap response to the roads question is to just repeat it back at the questioner in a silly voice and hope everyone gets too embarrassed to keep pushing on it, so mining his sources for inspiration will only get him so far.
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mojo1701a posted:Let's not forget that despite all the super important an-cap ideas, he still doesn't answer the "Who will build the roads?" question. More evidence that an-caps don't even meet the superficial standards of being able to call themselves anarchists.
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Huzanko posted:Like someone up thread said - she's just been a piece of poo poo the whole time, she just met someone who made her feel okay about being a piece of poo poo. I don't get it, see - if her whole appeal to woke teenagers and pop feminism was a cynical cash-in while she secretly doubted them, why not just be honest with yourself from square one and become another Karen Strahan or shoe0nhead? She's not stupid, surely she's seen the writing on the wall that reinforcing the beliefs of woman haters on YouTube and being "one of the good ones" is more lucrative right now than telling them why they're wrong. It takes a really weak conviction to do a 180 just to align with your SO politically.
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:
Unless something new comes to light, I doubt she's a TERF, but dating Chris tells me she's not been genuine in her positions, because everything I've seen about him paints him as a colossal piece of poo poo. Not quite Roosh V, but close.
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Goon Danton posted:I mean, the standard ancap response to the roads question is to just repeat it back at the questioner in a silly voice and hope everyone gets too embarrassed to keep pushing on it, so mining his sources for inspiration will only get him so far. I thought the standard response was "They'll be private" and then just... not think about it anymore, about what it actually loving means for a road to be private. What happens when private road A needs to connect to separately-owned-and-managed private road B?
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Somfin posted:I thought the standard response was "They'll be private" and then just... not think about it anymore, about what it actually loving means for a road to be private. What happens when private road A needs to connect to separately-owned-and-managed private road B? Extremely aggressive lane restructuring.
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Somfin posted:I thought the standard response was "They'll be private" and then just... not think about it anymore, about what it actually loving means for a road to be private. What happens when private road A needs to connect to separately-owned-and-managed private road B? As an actual answer to this I could imagine a fast pass system. RFID gates just detect if you're going from one coverage area to the next, deducts funds as needed. Problem is: Right now toll roads are still controlled by governments and the fast pass system works because it's also managed by a conglomerate of states that mandate it use the same tech so that there's no issue using it on a toll road in, say, PA or SC or MD. Without that you'd just have another problem: Private Road A uses FreedomPASS LLC but Road B uses NoTreadPASS INC and they aren't compatible. So the driver either has to maintain a system of ever increasing tags or the Private roads will have to settle on a single system, which won't happen because that never happens when you have competing standards (see that XKCD comic). So TL;DR: The one thing that might make it work just adds another problem to the mix.
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Unless something new comes to light, I doubt she's a TERF, but dating Chris tells me she's not been genuine in her positions, because everything I've seen about him paints him as a colossal piece of poo poo. Not quite Roosh V, but close. Lots of women date pieces of poo poo because they are attracted to them and find them charming, and they overlook the things about their partners they don't like or see them very charitably because they are in love. It seems like very human behavior to me and not proof that they are bad. Additionally, pieces of poo poo are actually pretty good at controlling and manipulating relationships, and may have may positive aspects to themselves as well that are hidden by public personae. I don't know anything about this guy and googling hasn't revealed anything on the mra level. Can I ask what are the lovely things about him?
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business hammocks posted:Lots of women date pieces of poo poo because they are attracted to them and find them charming This reads a little close to reeeeeeeeeing about Chads.
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Crain posted:This reads a little close to reeeeeeeeeing about Chads. Lots of men date pieces of poo poo too. I mean that we are very predisposed to think charitably of the ones we love and that it doesn't make us bad people for doing it. Nor does it mean that our value system was never genuine or that we have betrayed our values. It's just a dynamic in human relationships. We don't know very much about her personal life and we don't know what she'll believe or do tomorrow, so it's a request not to move to unequivocal judgment. She never validated the mra position in either of those videos. EDIT: I also mean that this guy could have qualities that recommend him as well. Like he could have some bad beliefs but behave decently in many respects also. It's also possible he could change and grow or that he is in the process of changing and growing. Human beings are complex. I AM GRANDO fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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business hammocks posted:I don't know anything about this guy and googling hasn't revealed anything on the mra level. Can I ask what are the lovely things about him? he;s one of those guys who revels in his ignorance and tweets very tone deaf garbage. he'll come to the defense of people like sargon or that grey haired asian noob when they get dunked on seemingly unaware of how they were dunked on.
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Yeah I mean, if Tomi Lahren stated dating John Oliver it wouldn't necessarily mean either of them had given up on their principles but it wouldn't be weird for people to be concerned about it.
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Yeah I mean, if Tomi Lahren stated dating John Oliver it wouldn't necessarily mean either of them had given up on their principles but it wouldn't be weird for people to be concerned about it. Is this guy on the level of Tomi Lahren? If the whole story with him is that he defensively protects white boys because he sees them as unfairly persecuted, he is unfortunately very typical for an American white boy but nowhere near Roosh territory. Again, I'm just going on the above: if he advocates rape or has raped people or something then this is wrong. But if he's just doing the truth-is-in-the-middle dance then he's probably trainable. God knows I believed a bunch of trash when I was 20, which is about how old he appears to be. And a nice white liberal feminist with reservations about "extremes" is a good teacher for a guy like that. It's just as likely that he's learning something from her, like that women are people. Sargon won't ever learn that lesson. Laci Green is still pretty young right, like 22 or something? She was 18 when she started. She has plenty of time in life to keep learning, especially if she goes to grad school for therapy as she apparently wants to do.
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he's not truth is in the middle, he's just very stupid. https://twitter.com/ChrisRGun/status/871738357314863105 also lol https://twitter.com/gogreen18/status/871772179679117312
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Crain posted:This reads a little close to reeeeeeeeeing about Chads. There's a huge difference in that most feminists (outside of the small radical 'every woman should embrace political lesbianism' separatists) aren't saying that simply because they want the women to be having sex with them instead.
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Guavanaut posted:The Incel stuff about Chads and the feminist stuff about the dynamics of abusive relationships under patriarchy does often read the same at a superficial glance, because they're both describing facets of the same problem. Pretty much. Feminist have the insight to seperating their attraction to someone from their faults instead of lumping up both categories into one like incels. It's how there are still women lining up to have sex with male porn star James Deen despite there being several allegations of sexual assault on his part. Then again, this says more about the nature of the pornography industry than about the complexity of sexual attraction.
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lol chris ray has gone full alt right he just seemed like an ignorant doofus last i checked his feed. he actually talks poo poo about laci here lmao https://twitter.com/kflogan/status/871843465126191112 Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:he's not truth is in the middle, he's just very stupid. Came here to post the latter, but I got this thread for you instead: https://twitter.com/NoraReed/status/871611754312122368
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being in the early grip of a romantic relationship, especially as a teen or young adult, is about as stupid as most people will get during their entire lives
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WrenP-Complete posted:Came here to post the latter, but I got this thread for you instead: "Weed makes you trans" is a new one to me.
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Who What Now posted:"Weed makes you trans" is a new one to me. Can confirm that's bullshit
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Twitter is even more horrible than I thought. It's just a comment section off on its own with no content above. An infinite regress of poo poo. Literally the only things you can use it for are devastating burns and breaking news. It's terrible and bad fir discourse. Laci Green feels attacked because attacks are the only discourse allowed by the format.
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We're coming up on the 10th anniverary of Aurini's first video on Youtube, which features his dumb skull. Uploaded on June 14th 2007, right around the time I graduated from high school, and Davey hasn't experienced any personal growth at all in that time.
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business hammocks posted:Twitter is even more horrible than I thought. It's just a comment section off on its own with no content above. An infinite regress of poo poo. Literally the only things you can use it for are devastating burns and breaking news. It's terrible and bad fir discourse. Laci Green feels attacked because attacks are the only discourse allowed by the format. Twitter is a fine platform for short-form comedy, and Laci Green would feel attacked even if everyone disgusted by her behavior was incredibly polite about it. It would be great if no one were called a bitch or slut for making poor choices, but I have every confidence Laci would be making the same tweets regardless. Because that's the kind of deflection you always, always get from someone with some prior modicum of credibility trying to justify their sudden collapse into a puddle of their own filth.
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