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Phoix posted:I think the current ban, as written with no outside context, is likely constitutional and I can't see the majority of sitting judges acknowledging Trump's tweets and interviews. CommieGIR posted:No. Because even Conservative judges on the Lower Courts have already said he's blown his own orders out of the water with his own tweets and claims. I doubt even the most conservative judge on the SCOTUS is going to ignore obvious pretense of what Trump and his allies say versus what the order says. In fairness, that's literally what Gorsuch will do. Likely Alito as well. That still doesn't get you to 5 though.
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CommieGIR posted:Well, that is a special exception. I dunno, man. The SCOTUS is clearly partisan in nature, and I doubt it has the same discipline and rigor as lower level state and federal judges. It's a completely different beast from real judges, and I don't trust it to actually uphold the values of justice.
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Paracaidas posted:In fairness, that's literally what Gorsuch will do. Likely Alito as well. That still doesn't get you to 5 though. Agreed, but I suspect Alito and Gorsuch will try to frame it as 'Well, its an Executive Branch right to enforce it that way' to try to cover their shame.
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Zil posted:I know you meant dark, but putting all those fucks someplace dank and watch as the drugs take hold would be some great entertainment. You goddamn moron
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Me and my friend made a song, partly based on this thread. Enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldyrNEZIMJM
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Pollyanna posted:I dunno, man. The SCOTUS is clearly partisan in nature, and I doubt it has the same discipline and rigor as lower level state and federal judges. It's a completely different beast from real judges, and I don't trust it to actually uphold the values of justice. It's effectively the same court we had for the majority of Obama's tenure. Also you may have the least appropriate username of anyone I've ever seen
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Remember how someone here mentioned knowing what gym Richard Spencer went to? They kicked him out. Just some little good feelings for the morning.
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Actually weather reports are accurate far more often than they're wrong.
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mynnna posted:Remember how someone here mentioned knowing what gym Richard Spencer went to? This is excellent Corny fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Mendrian posted:Actually weather reports are accurate far more often than they're wrong. Short term ones tend to be accurate, long term models are more questionable, but yes. But this doesn't matter, its another poor attempt to conflate weather with climate.
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Paracaidas posted:I don't think the constitutionality, in a vacuum, is all that controversial. Isn't it? We ban actual immigration nonstop all the time for all sorts of reasons but there isn't very many cases of banning all visas. Like we had a whole thing with the USSR where you could get a visa as a tourist but it was illegal to visit the south because the US was so mad they made fun of how racist we were.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Isn't it? We ban actual immigration nonstop all the time for all sorts of reasons but there isn't very many cases of banning all visas. Like we had a whole thing with the USSR where you could get a visa as a tourist but it was illegal to visit the south because the US was so mad they made fun of how racist we were. I think that's the general problem Trump will have with defending it: Its almost unprecedented and entirely transparent.
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As an American meteorologist, I say gently caress this on many levels.
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mynnna posted:Remember how someone here mentioned knowing what gym Richard Spencer went to? So much for the tolerant lift.
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Chilichimp posted:So much for the tolerant lift. 
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Chilichimp posted:So much for the tolerant lift. You bastard I was taking a drink when I read that
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Elotana posted:Rex Tillerson is a loving embarassment. He has zero influence on Trump and zero control over his own department. He's basically Sean Spicer with a Texas accent at this point. None of them have any control of him because he doesn't have any shame or self-restraint, the usual things you use to control people, and the GOP is too cowardly/complicit to use any actual power on him.
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BobTheJanitor posted:You bastard I was taking a drink when I read that It's good you're a janitor then.
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Mendrian posted:Actually weather reports are accurate far more often than they're wrong. It became "common knowledge" 40-50 years ago that weather reports were always inaccurate. (They weren't, but they were wrong much more often than they are today). So even though it's not really true anymore, some people still know it in their heart.
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Chilichimp posted:So much for the tolerant lift. lmao
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Workplace shooting in Orlando with multiple fatalities. No other details. Anyway lol at Trump undermining his own court case on Twitter like that. Can't wait for his lawyers to still have to argue that its not a Ban.
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Phoix posted:I hope I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the only way the ban dies in SCOTUS is if they amend the constitution to include Trump's thoughts. There's too much evidence it was just a muslim ban, trumps words, press statements, etc. On top of that the ban's original duration would have run through and they should have had their vetting procedures in place, but as far as i can tell they have made no changes to how vetting works in the US which means they haven't even bothered to try to revise it. If scotus validates it i would be surprised and it would be blatantly partisan hackery instead of the more traditional hidden partisan hackery. I want to believe it won't pass but i also have a hard time putting faith in GOP dog judges. theflyingorc posted:It became "common knowledge" 40-50 years ago that weather reports were always inaccurate. (They weren't, but they were wrong much more often than they are today). Like bad restaurant reviews a bad forecast sticks in the mind more than an accurate one
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Workplace shooting in Orlando with multiple fatalities. No other details. It's gonna be a disgruntled postal worker, and we will all get the nostalgic warm and fuzzies for a simpler time.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/871722020278587393 What about all those positions you haven't even provided nominees for?
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There Bias Two posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/871722020278587393 He doesn't even need Democrats to vote for his appointees.
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This feels like the openly racist gerrymandering NC did that got struck down, where the court basically says, "We'll go along with *almost* anything you want as long as you don't make it THAT obvious that it's racism, you idiots." Basically giving the people they ruled against the blueprint for writing a law that won't get struck down and does 99% of what they wanted anyway. Trump will be too stupid to take the hint if they do that and will just flip out.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Workplace shooting in Orlando with multiple fatalities. No other details. Gonna be a white guy.
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Sinteres posted:He doesn't even need Democrats to vote for his appointees. Dems can impact committee hearings but yes they dont' need them for voting them in.
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Lol he just couldn't help himself, he just had to tweet absolute confirmation that the courts should look at the first travel ban and link it to the weaker one they're actually looking at. God his legal team must hate him so much, but he thinks this Qatar stuff backs up his ban so he's gleefully trashing on people on twitter. Please god let his tweets once again be part of the reason for his failure.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Workplace shooting in Orlando with multiple fatalities. No other details. I already know the answer but how could anyone on his staff let this happen? All it would take would be one semi-intelligent staffer to check his tweet before he posts it to see this was a BAD IDEA. Hell, if they can't keep the phone out of his hands at least have a staffer tasked with watching his feed and issuing a "What he meant to say was..." tweet within minutes.
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Oh precious katana posted:Me and my friend made a song, partly based on this thread. Enjoy. This thread moves pretty fast, but take some time to listen to this song because it's really good.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Like we had a whole thing with the USSR where you could get a visa as a tourist but it was illegal to visit the south because the US was so mad they made fun of how racist we were. Wait what? That is interesting, do you happen to have any articles about that?
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Retro42 posted:I already know the answer but how could anyone on his staff let this happen? All it would take would be one semi-intelligent staffer to check his tweet before he posts it to see this was a BAD IDEA. Hell, if they can't keep the phone out of his hands at least have a staffer tasked with watching his feed and issuing a "What he meant to say was..." tweet within minutes. He lies to his staff, as the article about him misleading his national security team about his NATO speech proved. He does what he wants, and acts out when people try to stop him.
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Crain posted:Fuckin wow. That approach is kind of infuriating because these are largely the people who spent the last 8 years going, 'Why won't he say radical Islamic terrorism? Not using that phrase is a clear sign that he's weak on terrorism and emboldens them.' Then Trump refuses to publicly affirm article 5 and they're going 'well look what's important is what's happening behind the scenes, you can't communicate a policy with a simple magic phrase' (this also totally ignores the fact that counter terrorism experts advised against using the term Islamic terrorism and very much are not saying that we should avoid affirming Article 5 to pacify Russia). Also calling the SC case as 6-3 with Alito and Gorsuch arguing that because the plain language of the law doesn't say Muslim ban it's fine and Thomas arguing that as Twitter was not a communication medium at the time of the Constitution's writing that legally Trump never made any declarations that lawyers can analyse.
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There Bias Two posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/871722020278587393 this man is such an embarrassment, good god.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:He's really on a roll this morning, I wonder what pissed him off. He sees what a complete loving failure his presidency is and is in deep denial about it.
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