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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Angepain posted:I'm still prevaricating a bit myself because the parliamentary party has had a big say in how the party is run, and if Corbyn does not win super big can I really trust my local labour candidate who I've never heard of not to go full Liz Kendall Now on us. Which isn't exactly something one can ask a prospective candidate before an election and expect an honest or meaningful answer. Who's your candidate? If you want, I can ask about and see what the party thinks of them internally.
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To avoid such hearsay appearing on a cursory google, I'll use my advanced unhackable cryptographic methods to tell you it's sknahs leahcim. Regular secret spy agent guy, me.
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Jun 4, 2017 17:39
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"Why do people vote for the SNP instead of voting Labour like they want too?!" Because FPTP. I wouldn't be voting SNP if I had the chance of voting someone else without the risk of Tories getting in.
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Jun 4, 2017 20:18
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Angepain posted:To avoid such hearsay appearing on a cursory google, I'll use my advanced unhackable cryptographic methods to tell you it's sknahs leahcim. Regular secret spy agent guy, me. Right, well, I can't find anyone who's met him personally, but he's written for Labour Hame, not exactly a, uh, notable hotbed of Corbynites, and you'll find his name on this list: http://labourhame.com/scottish-labour-members-call-for-corbyn-to-go/
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Jun 4, 2017 22:19
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Autonomous Monster posted:Right, well, I can't find anyone who's met him personally, but he's written for Labour Hame, not exactly a, uh, notable hotbed of Corbynites, and you'll find his name on this list: http://labourhame.com/scottish-labour-members-call-for-corbyn-to-go/ Yeah, that doesn't look fantastically promising. Thanks for the detective work.
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Jun 4, 2017 23:39
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jre posted:While labour have been shite for the last decade or so, I don't understand how anyone who claims to be a lefty can not vote for a party who are wanting to renationalise industry and increase public sector pay. Because this isn't a presidential election, & I'm not sure returning 50 Ian Murray's who'd refuse to toe the line is actually all that much better than 50 Nats. Not that all of the Labour candidates are as shite as Ian Murray, just a hypothetical. But if you're local candidate is in fact not great, such as my local Labour candidate who seems to be more excited about the prospect of a Tory unseating Angus Robertson in Moray than anything else going by his Twitter, there are actually reasons for someone who is a lefty to not vote for Labour. Because while the party might want those good things, I'm far from convinced that every candidate wants them. Add that to the fact that the Tories are the only party with a chance of unseating the SNP here, & Labour will finish 4th, I might still vote for them but only because the SNP candidate should still have a comfortable majority. I'd rather send an SNP MP to Westminster from Inverness than a Tory, that's for sure. Also, Scottish Labour have been shite for a lot longer than the last decade.
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Jun 5, 2017 01:42
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SNP MPs would unironically be better for a Corbyn government than anyone in Scottish Labour.
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Jun 5, 2017 09:18
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Obliterati posted:SNP MPs would unironically be better for a Corbyn government than anyone in Scottish Labour. This is also not true. There are good Labour candidates running. Not nearly as many as I'd like, but a Campaign for Socialism ScotLab MP is light years ahead of almost every (if not every) SNP MP.
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Jun 5, 2017 09:25
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Seems like an easy Stephen Gethins vote for NE Fife
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Jun 5, 2017 09:58
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forkboy84 posted:This is also not true. There are good Labour candidates running. Not nearly as many as I'd like, but a Campaign for Socialism ScotLab MP is light years ahead of almost every (if not every) SNP MP. Yeah you know what, I take that back. It's a weird election for the SNP left.
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Jun 5, 2017 10:33
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forkboy84 posted:This is also not true. There are good Labour candidates running. Not nearly as many as I'd like, but a Campaign for Socialism ScotLab MP is light years ahead of almost every (if not every) SNP MP. Oh, right. I should have posted this weeks ago:  Of these, Berwickshire and Dumfriesshire are almost certain to go Tory. Everywhere else, I don't think [e: the Tories] have got a prayer. They're in third place in all of them, and by some margin everywhere except Dundee East and Ochil. KOGAHAZAN!! fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Jun 5, 2017 10:35
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Autonomous Monster posted:Oh, right. I should have posted this weeks ago: I genuinely think Matt Kerr might have a shot, though the snp incumbent has a strong record.
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Jun 5, 2017 10:37
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The Coatbridge candidate also has a shot.
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Jun 5, 2017 11:48
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I've advocated specifically for Gordon Munro (Edinburgh North & Leith) before. By far the best shot of getting a Labour seat in Edinburgh outside of South, and he's just an all-round great guy.
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Jun 5, 2017 12:12
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Dithering over who to go for in Edinburgh south. Policywise I am a green but I'll vote for whoever can keep the tories-i mean RUTH DAVIDSON'S PARTY-out.
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Jun 5, 2017 12:23
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The Tories were third in South in 2015, at 17.5%, with SNP at 34% and Labour at 39%. Ian Murray seems to be regarded as a very good constituency MP by his constituents, and (in my very limited campaign experience with South) any voters I've met who've been displeased with him are displeased with him because he's anti-Corbyn. I would be moderately surprised if he lost the seat with the SNP on a downswing, and very surprised if he lost it to the Tories. Greens aren't standing there, in any case. You've got Labour, Lib Dem, SNP and the blues.
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Jun 5, 2017 12:35
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cargohills posted:The Coatbridge candidate also has a shot. Surely Glasgow East has a chance too with Natalie McGarry completely loving the SNP's reputation there
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Jun 5, 2017 12:35
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To be clear, when I said "they don't have a prayer", I meant the Tories.
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Jun 5, 2017 12:38
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Autonomous Monster posted:The Tories were third in South in 2015, at 17.5%, with SNP at 34% and Labour at 39%. Ian Murray seems to be regarded as a very good constituency MP by his constituents, and (in my very limited campaign experience with South) any voters I've met who've been displeased with him are displeased with him because he's anti-Corbyn. I would be moderately surprised if he lost the seat with the SNP on a downswing, and very surprised if he lost it to the Tories. Ah, I just moved here so I didn't even know. Typical ignorant voter. I actually haven't had anything through the door from Murray, just multiple Tory and SNP leaflets.
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Jun 5, 2017 13:00
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Jun 5, 2017 14:34
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Autonomous Monster posted:Oh, right. I should have posted this weeks ago: without knowing anything about Livingston, I'm really, really hoping Rhea Wolfson gets in. She made the news last year when Jim Murphy tried to block her from getting on the NEC because of her links to Momentum and his concerns about their anti-Semtism despite the fact she was the only Jewish person running for the NEC. It would be a really nice turn of events for her to end up an MP and him to end up a loving nobody.
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Jun 5, 2017 14:39
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Baron Corbyn posted:without knowing anything about Livingston, I'm really, really hoping Rhea Wolfson gets in. She made the news last year when Jim Murphy tried to block her from getting on the NEC because of her links to Momentum and his concerns about their anti-Semtism despite the fact she was the only Jewish person running for the NEC. It would be a really nice turn of events for her to end up an MP and him to end up a loving nobody. Robin Cook's old seat, the Labour MP after Cook was punted for fiddling his expenses in 2010. Local football team are the shite Scottish version of MK Dons, having moved to Livingston from Meadowbank in the 90s. Sky have a call centre there that turned me down for work, it was a New Town build in the early '60s, slightly less bleak than some of the other New Towns like Cumbernauld & East Kilbride. And most importantly, Wolfson doesn't have a hope in hell because the nobody SNP candidate will win. So it goes. drat shame but that's ScotPol in 2017
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Jun 5, 2017 14:45
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She's still young so there's plenty of time for her to go onto be successful while Jim Murphy fades into obscurity doing whatever he does now. E: he's an advisor to Tony Blair lol
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Jun 5, 2017 14:54
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I work near Livingston and Labour definitely seem to making progress. Like, one who fanboys over Angela Constance was vocally praising the Labour manifesto last week. I'll be voting for Cara Hilton even though the leaflets we've had have been just the usual SNPbad of usual ScotLab. I just really don't want the Tories to do as well as predictions. So hacked off at ScotLab for this tactical voting pish too. Remember who the real enemy is guys!
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Jun 5, 2017 17:29
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I've had two leaflets today, one for "Ruth Davidson's candidate" and one for the Lib Dems. They both have bar charts proving that they are the only ones that can beat the SNP (one based on the 2015 election the other based on the council elections). Labour haven't sent me a leaflet as far as I can tell and there is absolutely nothing online about him (Michael Kelly if anyone knows anything about him).
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Jun 5, 2017 17:37
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hookerbot 5000 posted:I've had two leaflets today, one for "Ruth Davidson's candidate" and one for the Lib Dems. They both have bar charts proving that they are the only ones that can beat the SNP (one based on the 2015 election the other based on the council elections). Labour haven't sent me a leaflet as far as I can tell and there is absolutely nothing online about him (Michael Kelly if anyone knows anything about him). Standing in Argyll and Bute?  I think I've an inkling as to why you're not getting leaflets from Labour... e: Labour have never won this seat, nor any of the seats that preceded it.
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Jun 5, 2017 18:04
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Acaila posted:I just really don't want the Tories to do as well as predictions. So hacked off at ScotLab for this tactical voting pish too. Remember who the real enemy is guys! The
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Jun 5, 2017 18:37
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Cross-posting from the UK thread, The Guardian have published their separate sorta-endorsement for Scottish seats, and it pretty much boils down to vote SNP where they're best placed to stop the Tories. This Is Bad For Kezia Dugdale?
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Jun 6, 2017 08:45
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I surprised that this website https://www.tactical2017.com doesn't seem to prioritize voting Labour over SNP when those two parties are the top two in the constituency. Surely a Labour majority is better than hung parliament?
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Jun 6, 2017 09:00
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Lady Galaga posted:I surprised that this website https://www.tactical2017.com doesn't seem to prioritize voting Labour over SNP when those two parties are the top two in the constituency. Surely a Labour majority is better than hung parliament? Well, that website is not pro Labour, it's anti-Tory. Also, how many seats are there were the Labour candidate is the main opponent to the SNP?
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Jun 6, 2017 09:30
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forkboy84 posted:Well, that website is not pro Labour, it's anti-Tory. At least thirteen in Scotland. But you're right, these sites care about keeping the Tories out and nothing else.
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Jun 6, 2017 09:40
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forkboy84 posted:Well, that website is not pro Labour, it's anti-Tory. Any Glasgow one? Note: You never asked for "credible" or "real" opponent, some of these will be huge majorities for the SNP, but Labour are solidly in second in most if not all aruond Glasgow I think.
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Jun 6, 2017 09:41
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Autonomous Monster posted:At least thirteen in Scotland. But you're right, these sites care about keeping the Tories out and nothing else. it's the rasion d'être of these 'progressive alliance' proponents. they shouldn't be mistaken for people who actually want a Labour government, or would ever lower themselves to voting Labour.
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Jun 6, 2017 10:03
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Quite a lot of them advise voting Lib Dem in Labour constituencies or where Labour is second to the Tories. I don't trust any of them.
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Jun 6, 2017 12:17
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mehall posted:Any Glasgow one? loving hell mate. You could work what I meant there's no need to be a loving pedant. We've got Pissflaps for that. OK so how many seats are Labour in a live competition? How many realistically can they win off of the SNP? Because Cerv posted:it's the rasion d'être of these 'progressive alliance' proponents. they shouldn't be mistaken for people who actually want a Labour government, or would ever lower themselves to voting Labour. Wow, that's a bold claim to make about, among others, Clive Lewis MP. Doesn't want a Labour government & won't lower himself to vote Labour huh? Get tae gently caress with that shite, it's pragmatism. Labour can't recover their Scottish losses because Scottish Labour have yet to even attempt any amount of self-examination & self-criticism to work out WHY vast swathes of traditional Labour heartland abandoned them, never mind trying to actually win do something to win them back. Instead the campaign in Scotland is just NO SECOND REFERENDUM. Now sure, that's not exclusive to Labour, that's the Ruth Davidson Party's main line too, but that's part of the loving problem: Labour & Tories having the same major campaign plank in Scotland is not how Labour win back the people who left them 2 years ago (& 10 years ago at Holyrood). And thus because of the failings of Scottish Labour, an awful lot of seats are coming down to a choice between SNP & Tory. And an SNP MP is better for Britain than a Tory MP Cerv. If I lived in one of these few Labour/SNP seats, I'd look at who the Labour candidate is. If they can talk about something other than the referendum, and have something positive to say about Labour's terrific plans for Britain, great, got my vote. If their campaign amounts to INDY REF BAD, sorry, I want more from my MP. As it is, I probably will end up voting for a poo poo Labour candidate, someone who owns an IT consultancy firm, thinks that stopping independence is the most important issue facing us at this election & certainly has gently caress all positive to say about the Labour platform, because I live in a seat that is probably among the safest the SNP have, so even though the Tories are probably going to finish 2nd, they'll be so far behind that I can waste my vote on a bad Labour candidate by telling myself it's for the party & the leader rather than the candidate.
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Jun 6, 2017 12:26
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I'd say Labour have a solid chance in about half as many seats as the Tories do, in Scotland. I think they'll top out at 2, maybe 3 wins, but I do think they'll improve on last time. (though it may be net even if Murray loses his seat) And don't ever call me the Scottish Pissflaps again, tia
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Jun 6, 2017 12:37
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It's been fun watching nationalists twist themselves in knots over this election. Whatever the result the wheels have well and truly come off the independence bandwagon. Scottish labour has gone from being a powerless branch office to some rogue spinoff party that is less supportive of Corbyn than the snp. mehall posted:And don't ever call me the Scottish Pissflaps again, tia True me. You're no me.
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Jun 6, 2017 12:46
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Peep the replies to this tweet https://twitter.com/Fergoodness/status/871688830839115778
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Jun 6, 2017 13:53
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https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/872070910290821121
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Pissflaps posted:Whatever the result the wheels have well and truly come off the independence bandwagon. this would be a much more meaningful statement coming from you if you hadn't been saying it on a regular basis for the past three or four years
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