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euphronius posted:Carrion throne had me guessing until the end which is good. The plot of Carrion Throne is good and the characters are memorable. Where the book really stands out though, is the setting. The author's clearly put a lot of thought into what life on 40K Terra would actually BE like and has managed to create a world that's simultaneously consistent, strangely believable and utterly batshit insane. The authenticity of the setting is enhanced by all of the main characters being True Believers in the Emperor and in the Imperial institutions (we'd think of them as fascistic religious fanatics) and we view the world through their eyes.
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The fight on the food vat gantries where everything is indescribably greasy and filthy and there's bits of coagulated fat getting squished out of the doors was a highlight for sure.
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Jun 5, 2017 20:08
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Since we're all reading Carrion Throne now I just want to say I like it when the skull makes a funny.
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Jun 6, 2017 04:01
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I have been reading Dark Imperium and Enjoying it. It's pretty interesting to get in Guilliman's head and learn more about how the Imperium has changed since he has come back.
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Jun 6, 2017 07:29
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Cythereal posted:Especially the chapters that already have geneseed problems, like the Imperial Fists and Raven Guard. Didn't the Alpha Legion steal those?
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Jun 6, 2017 08:24
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I liked the part in Carrion Throne with the dude reading a romance novel set on Krieg.
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Jun 6, 2017 08:47
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So you know how I suggested that the IG and the Orks would team up to fight Chaos on Armageddon? Called it!
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Arcsquad12 posted:So you know how I suggested that the IG and the Orks would team up to fight Chaos on Armageddon? Called it! The bean counters are reading the thread.
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Cythereal posted:Especially the chapters that already have geneseed problems, like the Imperial Fists and Raven Guard. I thought the Fists had the issue of two organs no longer working (so no acid spit or suspended animation) but otherwise stable. The Raven guard are all super pale and their Primarch managed create a bunch of very hosed up mutant bird things when he tried to alter their gene seed to grow super fast but I don't believe it affected the remaining gene seed and marines? The ones with problems are more the Blood Angels (bouts of cannibalistic, uncontrollable rage) and Space Wolves (occasional bouts of uncontrollable werewolfism). I mean, both of those sound a bit more serious to me.
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Jun 6, 2017 12:25
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Fearless posted:Didn't the Alpha Legion steal those? The Alphas sabotaged them and the samples, yes, but IIRC Corax still has the Emperor's actual notes and data.
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Cythereal posted:The Alphas sabotaged them and the samples, yes, but IIRC Corax still has the Emperor's actual notes and data. One of the issues was that neither Corax, nor Horus/Fabius knew that they had the tainted gene seed, so they figured it was them loving up the Emperor's divine designs. It's like stuxnet in the Iranian centrifuges before it went global in later iterations.
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Syncopated posted:I liked the part in Carrion Throne with the dude reading a romance novel set on Krieg. Is that a 4chan shoutout someone slipped into a BL novel?
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I'm about 1/3rd of the way through Dark Imperium, and so far I'm really enjoying it; here's hoping it stays decent up until the end. Admittedly I was hoping to see more details about Robute's immediate "I'm awake now what the hell is going on" phase (which I thought this book was about), but instead it details his losing battle with Fulgrim, then jumps in to after the Indominus crusade is ending and he's been the Regent of the Imperium for a good while already. Even so, Guy Haley is doing a great job so far of highlighting the changes the setting is going through, and the huge number of changes that Guilliman is bringing to an Imperium that has been in stasis for so long, as well as the ways that the established powers and populations react to it. It does a good job at making things feel "new" in a setting where stasis has been the norm since the setting was established, but keeping it feeling solidly 40k. I'd also gotten used to thinking "well, nothing will ever change or move forward, so there's nothing truly at stake galaxy-wise in whatever I'm reading" while making my way through any Black Library book- and the absence of that nagging voice in my subconscious is really noticeable! It could just be me, but I'm finding myself more invested than usual on what's going on, since it's actually new territory in the setting. There is some obvious "you need to include bits about [EXCITING NEW UNIT] in the book" parts so far, but it hasn't been any more or less intrusive than it usually is. Haley did seem to work with it pretty well, which resulted in an entertaining bit where an ancient Iron Warrior sees a Repulsor Grav-tank for the first time, gets out a melta charge and slides underneath the tank to attach it to the undercarriage, but promptly gets pulped to a paper-thin sheet of metal and blood by the grav field. The tank happily hovers along, leaving a trail of pulverized glass in the desert sand behind it. So far some parts have been a bit slow, as Haley spends a good amount of words describing how the new and old parts of the setting are coming together, and/or flashing back to explain how Guilliman did this, which resulted in that, etc etc. But I've read plenty of bolter porn already, and wanted to see lots of that old/new dynamic, so it's been satisfying for me. YMMV, but so far I'm getting exactly what I wanted out of this book. So... book, please don't get bad in the 2nd half.
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I almost snagged Carrion Throne but it was in hardcover! So I'm either going to download ebook or just wait for it to hit softcover, if that ever happens.
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Jun 6, 2017 21:45
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One Legged Cat posted:I'm about 1/3rd of the way through Dark Imperium, and so far I'm really enjoying it; here's hoping it stays decent up until the end. I quite liked his meeting with Cawl (Or the Cawl Inferior I guess). And there is some stuff with Nurgle dudes later on that is very entertaining.
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This may be a dumb question, but I haven't read much new 40K aside from a couple Beast novels. Do I need to read anything before picking up Dark Imperium?
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pubic works project posted:This may be a dumb question, but I haven't read much new 40K aside from a couple Beast novels. Do I need to read anything before picking up Dark Imperium? Not too much it does a decent job of telling you what is going on. If you have a basic understand and know that Guilliman is back you should understand.
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pubic works project posted:This may be a dumb question, but I haven't read much new 40K aside from a couple Beast novels. Do I need to read anything before picking up Dark Imperium? I'd actually recommend reading most of the solid 40k books before Dark Imperium; a huge focus of the book is how things in a long-stagnant Imperium has finally started moving again, so it has a whole lot more impact if you're used to reading books from the 30,000-40,000 era first. And of course, if you haven't already, Read Eisenhorn, then come back And anything else by Dan Abnett and Aaron Dembski-Bowden. But if by "new 40k" you mean "stuff written in the last few years or so," then you don't really need any setup before reading Dark Imperium. The book is an establishing point/introductory book for the new stuff going on, and helps you get into the new stuff no matter what you have (or haven't) read before it.
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pubic works project posted:This may be a dumb question, but I haven't read much new 40K aside from a couple Beast novels. Do I need to read anything before picking up Dark Imperium? To summarize: Cadia has fallen after a renewed assault in the 13th Black Crusade, literally blowing the planet up. The survivors (a group of SOBs, Black Templars, other assorted Marines and Guardsmen) are rescued by Eldar and flee the exploding planet, and arrive in Ultramar during a major Chaos invasion. Through warp fuckery and SCIENCE, Guilliman has been brought out of Stasis, promptly kicks the chaos forces out of Ultramar and starts a pilgrimage/crusade to Terra to see Emps. He fights Magnus on the Moon, beats up a bloodthirster, and meets with Emps while more stuff explodes. Is named supreme commander of the imperium, and crazy techpriest Cawl gives him a present of the Primaris Marines, a science project Rowboat started back in 30K and Cawl has finished by 40K, mass producing a new generation of marines. Girlyman declares the Indomitus Crusade to retake Imperial worlds lost since the fall of Cadia. Since Cadia and the pylon system were the only things holding back the Eye of Terror, the Eye has fluctuated and a huge warpstorm called the Cicatrix Maledictum has linked the Eye with the Maelstrom, effectively slicing the Imperium in half, with the Ultima and Obscurus segmentums cut off save for a few heavily guarded passages through the Cicatrix. The Cadian Gate still exists in the form of the Chmund Gauntlet, a somewhat stable passage between both sides of the warpstorm.
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One Legged Cat posted:I'd actually recommend reading most of the solid 40k books before Dark Imperium; a huge focus of the book is how things in a long-stagnant Imperium has finally started moving again, so it has a whole lot more impact if you're used to reading books from the 30,000-40,000 era first. Yeah I meant stuff written in the last couple of years. I've read Eisenhorn, Ravenor, Gaunt's Ghosts, Ciaphas Cain, Blood Angels, Ultramarines, Night Lords, and a few IG novels.
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pubic works project posted:Yeah I meant stuff written in the last couple of years. I've read Eisenhorn, Ravenor, Gaunt's Ghosts, Ciaphas Cain, Blood Angels, Ultramarines, Night Lords, and a few IG novels. Yeah you are fine. Arcsquad12 posted:To summarize: Cadia has fallen after a renewed assault in the 13th Black Crusade, literally blowing the planet up. The survivors (a group of SOBs, Black Templars, other assorted Marines and Guardsmen) are rescued by Eldar and flee the exploding planet, and arrive in Ultramar during a major Chaos invasion. Through warp fuckery and SCIENCE, Guilliman has been brought out of Stasis, promptly kicks the chaos forces out of Ultramar and starts a pilgrimage/crusade to Terra to see Emps. He fights Magnus on the Moon, beats up a bloodthirster, and meets with Emps while more stuff explodes. Is named supreme commander of the imperium, and crazy techpriest Cawl gives him a present of the Primaris Marines, a science project Rowboat started back in 30K and Cawl has finished by 40K, mass producing a new generation of marines. Girlyman declares the Indomitus Crusade to retake Imperial worlds lost since the fall of Cadia. Cadia is actully still there. But it's broken and entirely controlled by Chaos. Lots of the Guard actually want to retake the planet as a symbolic victory. It's currently a Hellhole that looks like this.  Also Cawl created the Primaris Marines on his own, Guilliman only commissioned it. In fact Guilliman can't really bring himself to fully trust them as they are Cawl's creations. A Primaris Captain does not blame him becuase he would not trust Cawl ether. At one point Guilliman refers to them as Cawl's blasphemous hordes. (In regard that Cawl commits tons of Tech Heresy. Guilliman does not believe in that stuff.) MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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So now it's a demonic pacman planet. I see.
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Arcsquad12 posted:So now it's a demonic pacman planet. I see. It was pretty much cracked open by Abbadon ramming a Black Fortress into it.
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And the Necrons appear to have been kicking the poo poo out of the Tau on the xenos side of things. The Fourth Sphere expansion went up in gauss flame.
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[quote="Cythereal" post="473110756"] And the Necrons appear to have been kicking the poo poo out of the Tau on the xenos side of things. The Fourth Sphere expansion went up in gauss flame. Or it may have vanished into the Warp rift when it opened. Maybe. The Necrons getting them is also viable.
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MonsterEnvy posted:[quote="Cythereal" post="473110756"] I'm judging by how the Tau Empire looks to be almost completely enveloped by Necron space on the maps.
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Jun 7, 2017 00:03
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Any word on how my boys the Red Corsairs are doing now that their maelstrom is properly connected to the eye?
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Any word on how my boys the Red Corsairs are doing now that their maelstrom is properly connected to the eye? Stealing as many ships as possible and partying galaxy wide. Business as usual for them, I'd guess. Are those Shira calpurnia books any good? Been writing some arbites fiction and I could use some inspiration. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Stealing as many ships as possible and partying galaxy wide. Business as usual for them, I'd guess. It's one of those series that people either really like or really not-like. I liked it, if only for the huge amount of details about daily life in the Imperium, and how the law is laid down and prosecuted in the 41st millennium. If you're looking for arbites-related inspiration, the Shira trilogy is pretty much exactly what you're looking for.
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MonsterEnvy posted:[quote="Cythereal" post="473110756"] It's way funnier if the eternal optimism of the Tau ran directly into the "Get off my lawn, it's all my lawn" of the Necrons. My friend, have you considered that the Greater Good requires submitting yourself to our Ethereals? *Necron remembers the last time someone decided to help them* I liked the Calpurnia books a lot, but don't expect heroism to be rewarded.
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Klaus88 posted:Is that a 4chan shoutout someone slipped into a BL novel? I'm not familiar with 4chan memes because I'm a grown-rear end man (who reads toy soldier books and paints and plays with them and also names his troops) but it doesn't seem like a shoutout. Judge for yourself: Carrion Throne posted:Revus switched to an infrared filter and moved towards the cot. A dirty blanket, chewed by lice, lay disturbed on the thin mattress. A few pict-books – The Authorised History of Astra Militarum Auxiliary Regiments in the Geres Subsector Vol. XXXIIa, a disease symptom primer from the spire’s Departmento Contagio, and a romance set on the reputed paradise world of Krieg with the convoluted title My Wish to Generate Children with You is Only Exceeded by My Devotion to Him.
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One Legged Cat posted:which resulted in an entertaining bit where an ancient Iron Warrior sees a Repulsor Grav-tank for the first time, gets out a melta charge and slides underneath the tank to attach it to the undercarriage, but promptly gets pulped to a paper-thin sheet of metal and blood by the grav field. The tank happily hovers along, leaving a trail of pulverized glass in the desert sand behind it.
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Relevant Tangent posted:It's way funnier if the eternal optimism of the Tau ran directly into the "Get off my lawn, it's all my lawn" of the Necrons. The Tau Empire is now almost entirely surrounded by the Sautekh Dynasty, the domain of Imotekh the Stormlord. In case you're not familiar with the guy, he's the Necron version of Settra the Imperishable and fluffed as the most intelligent and dangerous military mind the Necrons possess. Not a good time to be a greyskin, and good riddance to the shooty bastards. Unless of course the Tau's plot armor laughs that off like they do every goddamn thing else.
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All right I got Dark Imperium . I will let you know. Spoiler re carrion throne : was Spinoza Crowl's daughter ?
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Another spoiler re carrion throne : was the plot to get the dark eldar into the throne room to help big E a real plot or just a cover story from people who were corrupted and wanted to kill big E? Or both?
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Arquinsiel posted:Uh... why? Are they different to all the other literally dozens of grav vehicles in the game's history so far or is this just a "THIS NEW THING IS COOL AND GOOD BECAUSE"? That particular Iron Warrior was fighting in a battle that uses the new rules where tanks (all tanks, yes even Monoliths) just run people down instead of tank shocking them. If a tank runs you over now, it does wounds and other terrible stuff. Poor Traitor was used to the old rules, tank shock wouldn't even have slown him down.
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Relevant Tangent posted:That particular Iron Warrior was fighting in a battle that uses the new rules where tanks (all tanks, yes even Monoliths) just run people down instead of tank shocking them. If a tank runs you over now, it does wounds and other terrible stuff. Poor Traitor was used to the old rules, tank shock wouldn't even have slown him down.
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Cythereal posted:The Tau Empire is now almost entirely surrounded by the Sautekh Dynasty, the domain of Imotekh the Stormlord. In case you're not familiar with the guy, he's the Necron version of Settra the Imperishable and fluffed as the most intelligent and dangerous military mind the Necrons possess. TBF if the Ethereals think fast they can just say the Greater Good requires that we acknowledge the Necrons as our buddies. What, no, of course they'll be a subservient part of the Empire, who are you to ask questions?! while simultaneously giving Imotekh a bunch of tribute and pointing out that while they, of course, acknowledge his beneficence these bastards over in the Imperium don't. Also, can we see one of your ships?
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Arquinsiel posted:Uh... why? Are they different to all the other literally dozens of grav vehicles in the game's history so far or is this just a "THIS NEW THING IS COOL AND GOOD BECAUSE"? It's pointed out the tank works a bit different then others. Most vehicles that hover just hover there and going under them is harmless. This tanks grave engines are constantly pushing against the ground so going under it results in you getting crushed. As a side effect this though the tank can only go a few feet off the group no matter the circumstances and if it goes across too big a hole the tank can end up flipping do to how it works.
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