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The UFC should pay their fighters more. Although I personally think the fighters earning 10-50k a fight need it more than mighty mouse does. I cant think of another promotional sporting body that has so much money when the majority of its athletes earn so little, at least going off what they disclose to the public. But in mighty mouses specific case, there are people who are the very best in the world at long distance unicycling but they probably dont earn a fortune either, they still like to ride on unicycles though
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Jun 6, 2017 05:13
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tesilential posted:Hahaha, keep making up quotes nobody has said except you, retard. quote:Conor is popular because he is loving cool. Nope. On at least two counts.
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Jun 6, 2017 05:54
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the professional fighter who drives lambos when he isn't knocking world champions out is pretty cool
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Jun 6, 2017 05:59
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but then again i find the guy who plays video games and chills w/ his family while being relentlessly polite, positive, hard working and personable when he isn't being the most dominant fighter in the world p4p pretty cool too
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Jun 6, 2017 06:04
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Marching Powder posted:the professional fighter who drives lambos when he isn't knocking world champions out is pretty cool However, the guy who became a hermit and spent a fortune on a camp so that he could be the 9th man to decision Nate Diaz less convincingly than noted not-cool person Ben Henderson seems more like a loving dork. And the guy who's loving up a good division despite fighting in it once in the hope of making a fortune in a fight he has no business just seems like an rear end in a top hat. People are multi faceted
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Jun 6, 2017 07:26
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DJ is the most passive aggressive guy ever so this whole lover's quarrel is completely unsurprising
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Jun 6, 2017 07:35
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I too love this sport for the branding, the 'tude, and the marketing. There's nothing so satisfying as seeing reports of high PPV buys and knowing the UFC is making a good profit on their investment. The fighting is boring though.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:DJ is the most passive aggressive guy ever so this whole lover's quarrel is completely unsurprising i have literally not heard dj say anything negative about the pay / ufc other than 'i don't get paid very much, relatively. oh well'. and since dana started making GBS threads on him this time all i heard was 'i want to fight ray borg', and a little later, his side of the story which reeks of factual accuracy and any attack on dana / ufc reps is because of their alleged actions, and not because of dj editorialising. also he generally takes the fight to his opponents.
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Jun 6, 2017 07:56
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I don't think tj beats cody or dj anyways
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Jun 6, 2017 09:32
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Memento posted:also: fuuuuuuuuuck Late to reply, but this really loving sucks, poor guy 
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Triticum Guzzler posted:DJ is the most passive aggressive guy ever so this whole lover's quarrel is completely unsurprising I can only assume you think this because he plays a dex build in Bloodborne.
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Jun 6, 2017 12:18
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Vitamin Boss posted:They should cancel all of the Fight Pass Originals™ that no one has ever watched and give DJ some money imo. Maybe they can cut the second 4-part documentary about CM Punk I'll have you know I have watched every episode of Dana White Lookin' For a Fight™
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Jun 6, 2017 12:25
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DJ is such a focused fighter that he stayed on point and didn't even bring up the major loss in income from Reebok loving his XBox deal. Even in promotional slapfighting, the dude has no flaws.
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Marching Powder posted:but then again i find the guy who plays video games and chills w/ his family while being relentlessly polite, positive, hard working and personable when he isn't being the most dominant fighter in the world p4p pretty cool too He poo poo talks his opponents all the time it's just a lot more subtle than yelling obscenities so mma fans don't acknowledge it.
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I think dj is great and I understand why he wants tj to prove he can make weight, but I don't understand what makes the UFC more evil than usual here
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david carmichael posted:I think dj is great and I understand why he wants tj to prove he can make weight, but I don't understand what makes the UFC more evil than usual here Why do they have to be more evil than usual for people to be mad?
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david carmichael posted:I think dj is great and I understand why he wants tj to prove he can make weight, but I don't understand what makes the UFC more evil than usual here The hilariously empty threat to close the division stuck out to me but otherwise I think you are right
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Jun 6, 2017 14:36
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Snowman_McK posted:Lol that you used a 205k selling card as proof of someone's inherent popularity that has nothing to do with the massive efforts of the UFC to promote him, stick him in main events, stick him on talk shows and give him title shots. I didn't try to prove Conor's popularity, otherwise I would have mentioned him breaking every meaningful record revolving around drawing power. I just pointed out that you actually saying "haha see? before Conor got the big push he was only twice as popular as long time champion and P4P great Demtrious champion, doubling his ppv sales despite not even being the comain event, it's all Marketing!" is really really loving dumb. As an aside I think it does suck that MM's retirement plan still includes stocking shelves at Costco.
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Charles Gnarwin posted:DJ is such a focused fighter that he stayed on point and didn't even bring up the major loss in income from Reebok loving his XBox deal. Even in promotional slapfighting, the dude has no flaws. the fact he doesn't have and can't get enough clout to make the UFC budge an inch is a pretty huge flaw
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Jun 6, 2017 15:09
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Neeber posted:Everyone should post their weight besides their lovely opinions on flyweight fighters - 155lbs 135
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Jun 6, 2017 15:43
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Mighty Mouse is deathly afraid of TJ. Fighters already receive compensation for their opponent missing weight, isn't it 20%? Asking for his whole purse is LOL. He just wants to break the record in his tiny man division against the Borg because it's easy and still nobody will give a flying gently caress.
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Jun 6, 2017 15:45
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Auron posted:Mighty Mouse is deathly afraid of TJ. oh are we doing sherdog quotes again
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Or or or, and this is just speculation: The UFC said they guarantee something and then DJ asked for a literal guarantee but none was forthcoming. edit: it's almost like management wants him in the biggest money fight possible without paying him much.
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Jun 6, 2017 15:48
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Jun 6, 2017 15:52
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Auron posted:Mighty Mouse is deathly afraid of TJ. You only get a piece of the purse if the fight goes forward as a catch weight and DJ made it clear that he will only fight for the title. People are acting like Mighty Mouse is finding all of the excuses not to fight Dillashaw when he is willing to accept the fight if the terms guarantee that the fight actually happens.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:21
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I did like how Dana tried to guilt trip him by saying he was stealing an opportunity from TJ like he should give a poo poo about that
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Jun 6, 2017 16:23
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Why is it so upsetting to people that DJ at this point wants to fight like for, you know... money?
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Charles Gnarwin posted:You only get a piece of the purse if the fight goes forward as a catch weight and DJ made it clear that he will only fight for the title. Gotcha. Well then work out a deal for 20% of what Dillashaw was supposed to make and waive the fight. Asking for the whole purse is ridiculous. Are we REALLY that concerned that TJ isn't going to make weight? Yeah he's never fought at 125, but TJ comes across as a disciplined dude, and its not like he's huge at 135. Dr. Abysmal posted:I did like how Dana tried to guilt trip him by saying he was stealing an opportunity from TJ like he should give a poo poo about that Yeah this is really dumb. I'd say its more of an opportunity for Mighty Mouse to prove himself against one of the best 135 lbs fighters in the world.
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Veskit posted:Why is it so upsetting to people that DJ at this point wants to fight like for, you know... money? I really don't know what he's getting paid now compared to his "value", but there really aren't any REAL money fights for DJ that are going to draw a lot of attention and/or PPV buys. Even DJ vs TJ is at best a UFC on Fox headliner. Maybe throw it on a stacked card as a co-main so he can get the PPV points he wants.
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Auron posted:I really don't know what he's getting paid now compared to his "value", but there really aren't any REAL money fights for DJ that are going to draw a lot of attention and/or PPV buys. Even DJ vs TJ is at best a UFC on Fox headliner. Maybe throw it on a stacked card as a co-main so he can get the PPV points he wants. They already do tiered pay scales for drawing more people to PPV so again that's bullshit that he can't get points.
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Auron posted:Gotcha. Well then work out a deal for 20% of what Dillashaw was supposed to make and waive the fight. Asking for the whole purse is ridiculous. If there's no concern about him making weight then why not agree to the purse forfeit?
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Veskit posted:They already do tiered pay scales for drawing more people to PPV so again that's bullshit that he can't get points. Yes but the point there is that based on what little we know, there is a minimum threshold your fights need to draw to earn points, and Mighty Mouse's haven't historically crossed that
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Bluedeanie posted:Yes but the point there is that based on what little we know, there is a minimum threshold your fights need to draw to earn points, and Mighty Mouse's haven't historically crossed that There's a minimum that Dana allows? That's in the contract? Does anyone know what the minimum is? Are you saying that there's an enforceable minimum AND a way for Dana to dissolve a weight class? Get the gently caress out.
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Veskit posted:There's a minimum that Dana allows? That's in the contract? Does anyone know what the minimum is? Are you saying that there's an enforceable minimum AND a way for Dana to dissolve a weight class? Get the gently caress out. If you don't think the UFC's contracts are written to give the UFC as much power as possible then you haven't been following the sport very closely
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Veskit posted:There's a minimum that Dana allows? That's in the contract? Does anyone know what the minimum is? Are you saying that there's an enforceable minimum AND a way for Dana to dissolve a weight class? Get the gently caress out. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. No.
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mewse posted:If you don't think the UFC's contracts are written to give the UFC as much power as possible then you haven't been following the sport very closely I've been following it enough but i severely doubt that there's a written minimum that you are allowed to get points on a PPV fight during the negotiations of the fight itself. There's a difference between you get no points on the fight, and you'll start accruing points when you hit this amount of buys. If you think about it that's not even enforceable
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Veskit posted:I've been following it enough but i severely doubt that there's a written minimum that you are allowed to get points on a PPV fight during the negotiations of the fight itself. There's a difference between you get no points on the fight, and you'll start accruing points when you hit this amount of buys. If you think about it that's not even enforceable Look how dumb this is.
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Veskit posted:Why is it so upsetting to people that DJ at this point wants to fight like for, you know... money? I don't blame the guy at all. He should try to make as much money as possible. And I feel he absolutely deserves PPV points. But I also believe he appears to have an unrealistic view of what his earnings ceiling is and he's cutting off his nose to spite his face to a degree. He's one of the best pure fighters ever and arguably the best P4P fighter in the world right now, but in a realistic view of combat sports, that's not the dominating factor in your earnings, for better or worse. It's not a secret that you have to be a really strong personality to earn really great money in a lower weight class. It's always been that way. And to come in with a belief that you can be so good that you overcome that is super naive. You could win 30 defenses in a row and there will always be a portion of the population that does not care simply because you weigh 125 pounds. There's a reason Conor McGregor can lose to Nate Diaz and then come right back and still draw a fuckton of money the next go round and it's not because he's an elite fighter. It's because he endlessly talks poo poo to get people's attention. I can understand his argument about marketing his fights, but he also drew minimally on free TV so I also understand why the UFC wouldn't shell out a bunch of money to promote a guy who people didn't even turn up to see when it cost them nothing. It's easy to see why he feels the way he does but I just feel that a lot of what limits DJ's drawing power are things inherent to DJ, which is unfortunate.
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