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moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

Represent.



Dinosaur Gum
Same thing he still looked weird in his blue hoody

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esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Did anybody else read Dougie/Coop calling Dougie's coworker out for lying was the real Coop briefly emerging? I've no doubt it was also Lodge powers, what with the green light and all, but the look on his face and his tone of voice felt pure Dale to me.

He always was excellent at reading if people were telling the truth or not, after all.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


The girl who asked for a lighter at the Bang Bang and got assaulted by the guy we found out in the credits is Richard Horne, I knew she looked familiar.

She played the girl birthed from the egg in Under the Dome.

Mr. Grumpybones
Apr 18, 2002
"We're falling out of the sky! We're going down! We're a silver gleaming death machine!"

moist turtleneck posted:

I just thought Cooper was sad because he realized he was as braindead as his kid

Like that kid was just staring forward with his mouth open

What struck me about that scene - and I yes I'm headed into nutso territory - is the way the kid blinked. It was a weird blink. I watched again to find out for sure, and you can see it at 11:37 (give or take a few seconds). It reminded me of the weird way Laura blinks in Part 2; you can see this at ~16:55. It's like a backwards blink played forward. And from this, I can confidently say, that I can glean no great meaning.

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

Represent.



Dinosaur Gum
He's the giant

Confounding Factor
Jul 4, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
So I stumbled into reading this:

quote:

Well, an interesting observation someone made in another thread is this, the gold ball Dougie dissolved into? It's probably a pearl. After Mike picks it up, he walks over to the formica table, and guess what the bottom of the table is shaped like? A clam. This definitely fits in a roundabout way with what we know.
https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6ffur9/s3e5_the_weird_text_message/dii0jrx/

I didn't notice the shape of the Formica table being like a clam, but I also likened the little gold ball Dougie dissolved into being pearl-like. Part of Dougie was vile black energy from Bob. Part was the gold pearl. From Coop? Does Mike need to get that back to Coop to make him whole again? Is that what he means when he tells Coop he was tricked? By entering our plane the way he did, did he lose part of himself, and render himself more helpless and easily dispatched by Bob's minions, leaving Bob the only one of the Coopers who will survive, since one of the two has to go?

Section 9
Mar 24, 2003

Hair Elf

Confounding Factor posted:

So I stumbled into reading this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6ffur9/s3e5_the_weird_text_message/dii0jrx/

I didn't notice the shape of the Formica table being like a clam, but I also likened the little gold ball Dougie dissolved into being pearl-like. Part of Dougie was vile black energy from Bob. Part was the gold pearl. From Coop? Does Mike need to get that back to Coop to make him whole again? Is that what he means when he tells Coop he was tricked? By entering our plane the way he did, did he lose part of himself, and render himself more helpless and easily dispatched by Bob's minions, leaving Bob the only one of the Coopers who will survive, since one of the two has to go?

I didn't particularly notice the table looking clam like either. When the gold ball emerged it made a humming/whistling noise that I know I've heard in the series or FWWM before, but can't place it off the top of my head. Also, the weird grey thing that also emerges when Dougie dissolves looks similar to the head of the thing in the glass box. Maybe Dougie was manufactured from some sort of other-worldly spirit like the one in the glass box, and was bound by the golden pearl? I seem to remember someone earlier mentioning some sort of similar thing from some real-world mythology.

Edit: Not sure on the timing, but could the grey thing that emerged from Dougie actually be the thing that showed up in the glass box? I guess it doesn't seem too likely, since it is daytime when Dougie gets pulled into the lodge, and it's presumably the night before when the glass box incident takes place. But time doesn't always work properly outside the real world, and it doesn't seem like Cooper is falling through space/in the purple room that long from his perspective.

Section 9 fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Jun 6, 2017

Chinook
Apr 11, 2006

SHODAI

Mr. Grumpybones posted:

What struck me about that scene - and I yes I'm headed into nutso territory - is the way the kid blinked. It was a weird blink. I watched again to find out for sure, and you can see it at 11:37 (give or take a few seconds). It reminded me of the weird way Laura blinks in Part 2; you can see this at ~16:55. It's like a backwards blink played forward. And from this, I can confidently say, that I can glean no great meaning.

Nope, not nutso at all. I noticed that, too. They did that last episode with the BadCoop saying "yrev" ('very' backwards) through the glass to the Cole Crew.

The kid's eyes definitely 'closed slow, opened fast' like a reversed blink. I forgot about this until you mentioned it but it hit me at the time.

romanowski
Nov 10, 2012

yeah i definitely noticed that too and it made me think there was some black lodge fuckery going on with the kid

Chinook
Apr 11, 2006

SHODAI

He might be conceived from the seed of a dude who didn't really exist anymore. Perhaps Sonny Jim isn't long for this world.

Section 9
Mar 24, 2003

Hair Elf

Chinook posted:

He might be conceived from the seed of a dude who didn't really exist anymore. Perhaps Sonny Jim isn't long for this world.

"Sonny Jim" and "Janey-E" do sound like really bad made-up names.

Chinook
Apr 11, 2006

SHODAI

Yeah, someone posted a couple relatively reasonable anagrams that took all the letters of the family, including Dougie. It's​ possible that it's completely intentional, but I figure it's a red herring anyway.

Edit:
"My Annie, Josie, Judy - Gone."

The idea being that Judy is the name of the person who David Bowie's character isn't going to talk about. No, he's not going to talk about Judy at all.

Chinook fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Jun 6, 2017

remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009

I just kind of take the general weirdness of people in this show as a given.

I don't think Lynch would kill off Dougie's family if only because there is way more drama to be had from them living. Tears and anguish from three directions rather than just one.

TheBizzness
Oct 5, 2004

Reign on me.
"He's Lying" definitely seemed to be Cooper and not Zombie Dougie.

TheMaestroso
Nov 4, 2014

I must know your secrets.

TheBizzness posted:

"He's Lying" definitely seemed to be Cooper and not Zombie Dougie.

Agreed. That moment stunned me silent when it happened!

Section 9
Mar 24, 2003

Hair Elf
Started re-watching season 1 to figure out where there are any tie-ins. From the pilot "Diane, I'm holding in my hand a small box of chocolate bunnies."

Also, I just want to say thank you to everyone in the thread for being big fans interested in dicussing whatever sort of ridiculous theories come to mind. I've got a couple friends I've gotten mildly interested in TP, but nobody that is going to listen to my wild speculation and gushing, much less come back with equally ridiculous and well-considered counter-points.

remusclaw posted:

This is actually why I'm so glad we didn't get big 18 episode dump to watch. No matter how good the series is, a weekly schedule will keep it alive and worth talking about and speculating on far longer than would happen for a netflix style show.

Yeah. I really would like to just binge this because I want to know what happens, but realistically, there will be no answers. This will not be wrapped up nicely. And the renewed speculation and discussion is the best part of it all.

Section 9 fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Jun 6, 2017

remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009

Section 9 posted:

Started re-watching season 1 to figure out where there are any tie-ins. From the pilot "Diane, I'm holding in my hand a small box of chocolate bunnies."

Also, I just want to say thank you to everyone in the thread for being big fans interested in dicussing whatever sort of ridiculous theories come to mind. I've got a couple friends I've gotten mildly interested in TP, but nobody that is going to listen to my wild speculation and gushing, much less come back with equally ridiculous and well-considered counter-points.

This is actually why I'm so glad we didn't get big 18 episode dump to watch. No matter how good the series is, a weekly schedule will keep it alive and worth talking about and speculating on far longer than would happen for a netflix style show.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
I thought Lynch was going to release the episodes how he felt the should be watched. Like 4 the first week then 1 this week, maybe 2 next week. Was that just a rumor some of my friends made up?

SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



I'd like to watch them all now but then I feel pretty dumb to complain about the wait for a show that had an over quarter century wait between seasons.

remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009

I mean, it's not like it would have broken me up inside to watch it all right away or anything like that. And I would have done so given the opportunity. That said, there are bright sides to the classic model of television, weekly anticipation and communal theorizing being some of them.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
"He's lying", Seyfried staring at the sky, and Nadine rapturously nodding along to Doc Hayward's nutso livestream all blew me away.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Solice Kirsk posted:

I thought Lynch was going to release the episodes how he felt the should be watched. Like 4 the first week then 1 this week, maybe 2 next week. Was that just a rumor some of my friends made up?
Your friends are dumb and it's easy to disprove that theory.

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

Josh Lyman posted:

Your friends are dumb and it's easy to disprove that theory.

chill

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

remusclaw posted:

I just kind of take the general weirdness of people in this show as a given.

I don't think Lynch would kill off Dougie's family if only because there is way more drama to be had from them living. Tears and anguish from three directions rather than just one.

Seems like the family may be in danger if Coop-Dougie doesn't pay off his debts like he's supposed to. He was supposed to do it that day

Section 9
Mar 24, 2003

Hair Elf

Magic Hate Ball posted:

"He's lying", Seyfried staring at the sky, and Nadine rapturously nodding along to Doc Jacoby's nutso livestream all blew me away.

FTFY

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

oOpS

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

General Dog posted:

Seems like the family may be in danger if Coop-Dougie doesn't pay off his debts like he's supposed to. He was supposed to do it that day

I assume the different muscle cars watching Dougie's car belong to different groups, otherwise the guy wouldn't have tried to start the car and blown himself up. Maybe the first group will assume the burnt corpse is Dougie. Is there any reason to believe the second group is trying to kill him?

Section 9
Mar 24, 2003

Hair Elf

hawowanlawow posted:

I assume the different muscle cars watching Dougie's car belong to different groups, otherwise the guy wouldn't have tried to start the car and blown himself up. Maybe the first group will assume the burnt corpse is Dougie. Is there any reason to believe the second group is trying to kill him?

I figured the second group was just scoping out a car that hadn't moved in a while, and set off the bomb accidentally. Just another in a string of bad people getting screwed over so that Cooper's tracks are covered.

remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009

Dougie's wife not picking him up after work is a little cold.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
Yeah, I assume they'll assume Dougie's dead, so he didn't have to make the phone call. Dale being shepherded around by guardian angels is oddly compelling.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
This kind of rules. I think I need to watch the other Twin Peaks stuff.

SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



Accretionist posted:

This kind of rules. I think I need to watch the other Twin Peaks stuff.

I can't even imagine what this show must be like to someone that hasn't seen season 1, 2 and the movie.

Section 9
Mar 24, 2003

Hair Elf

SeANMcBAY posted:

I can't even imagine what this show must be like to someone that hasn't seen season 1, 2 and the movie.

One of the people I watched the S3 premier with had never seen more than part of the first episode of Season 1. I gave her a very quick and sketchy explanation of Seasons 1 and 2. She seemed to enjoy the first 4 episodes, and thankfully didn't ask too many questions. But she was like me and very accepting of weird poo poo that didn't make any sense.

Edit: I came into Twin Peaks watching FWWM first, before the series. I was very much confused about what the hell was going on, but it was weird and intriguing enough that I had to see the series that led up to it, and here I am.

Section 9 fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Jun 6, 2017

el oso
Feb 18, 2005

phew, for a minute there i lost myself
I'm still laughing at the reveal of the golden shovels. Fantastic.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Coop in the casino.... :vince:

"HELLLLLLLLL-LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



Jerusalem posted:

Coop in the casino.... :vince:

"HELLLLLLLLL-LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

I'm so doing this every time I try a slot from now on.

G-III
Mar 4, 2001

Accretionist posted:

This kind of rules. I think I need to watch the other Twin Peaks stuff.

Yeah you do. Once you get a taste for this kind of blood no other meat will do.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Accretionist posted:

This kind of rules. I think I need to watch the other Twin Peaks stuff.
How have you not already?!

I just finished watching Inland Empire for the first time :stare: My brain is broken. I need time to process that.

Nerdietalk
Dec 23, 2014

I have to admit, the Dougie stuff is hard to watch. Not because I'm not into it, but its so upsetting seeing Coop get abused and yelled at so much with no one picking up that something really bad happened to "Dougie".

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Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop
Do you think the ghost is gonna come back

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