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Someone in the other thread or maybe Reddit said his knowledge of Shadow's lynching tipped off Wednesday.
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Steve Yun posted:I'm not clear on how Wednesday knew Vulcan sold him out. Someone told Vulcan that Shadow had been lynched. Wednesday and Shadow had a whole conversation on the subject.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:03
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I thought Vulcan's rejection of the soma was a pretty good tip off to Wednesday.
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Jun 6, 2017 11:05
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Or the fact Bernson gave the exact same speech about guns that Mr. World gave about the Odin rocket last episode.
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Jun 6, 2017 13:46
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Steve Yun posted:I'm not clear on how Wednesday knew Vulcan sold him out. When they are going into the forge to get the sword, Wednesday looks up and sees a satellite passing overheard: Mr. World's signature move.
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Jun 6, 2017 15:57
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Or a little birdie told him.
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Steve Yun posted:I'm not clear on how Wednesday knew Vulcan sold him out. I thought it was Shadow's asking "how did he know I got lynched?" Mr. World, Media, and Techno-douche all knew about it, but I don't recall any of the Old Gods talking about it, so I think the assumption was that Vulcan was somehow in contact with the New Gods. Edit: Oh look, a whole nother page! Ignore this post.
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it's all of the above. The Satellite, Vulcan's shallow re-invention as a mass-marketed product (of destruction, but I don't think Wednesday's particularly offended by that aspect), him refusing his gift of soma, the direct allusion to shadow's hanging. Also, Vulcan directly called out Wednesday's plan to martyr himself. That's a danger he can't allow to come anywhere near the final battle. double nine fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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Jun 6, 2017 16:27
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:and it's a failure in its conception of American faith and folklore This is what really bugs me about it. There's huge religious conflicts and dramas in America, and this isn't about them. Like, there isn't a conflict between pagan values and techy capitalist ones in the US. Or, there is, but it doesn't look like this, Bilquis vs The Internet, unless it's 1997 and you're a wiccan mom who just heard about orgone. If he wanted to write the same thing but for real it would be like Jesus living on a ranch in montana with 144,000 sister wives and railing against the government while secretly trading slaves and DAPL stock on a smartphone powered by sickle cell anemia. It would just be a brutal political cartoon.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:40
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:In my experience in historical gaming communities, anyone who likes the nazis enough to own and publically sport a piece of nazi gear is almost certainly somewhere around "border militiaman" or further extreme in terms of their racial politics. in my experience anyone who plays a world war 2 or warhammer 40k game, is a nazi.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:52
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One question I've ALWAYS had about American Gods, is "what is the House on the Hill"? I mean, I have heard of a couple of weird-rear end kitschy backwater Americana places sort of like it, but I'd really love to actually figure out where Gaiman pulled his influences from, and then maybe go visit them some day.
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coyo7e posted:One question I've ALWAYS had about American Gods, is "what is the House on the Hill"? I mean, I have heard of a couple of weird-rear end kitschy backwater Americana places sort of like it, but I'd really love to actually figure out where Gaiman pulled his influences from, and then maybe go visit them some day. It's a place in Wisconsin. A friend of mine went four or five years ago and confirmed that it's as weird as you'd expect. The parts of season two that take place there are being filmed on location, so we'll all get to see at least some of it.
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Toast Museum posted:It's a place in Wisconsin. A friend of mine went four or five years ago and confirmed that it's as weird as you'd expect. The parts of season two that take place there are being filmed on location, so we'll all get to see at least some of it. I've always wanted to do another road trip but with the goal of visiting all the weird and cool stuff I used to see in old Ripley's Believe it Or not (pretty sure I saw the house on the hill on that show, or maybe In Search Of). edit: holy poo poo, now I know where the name "Taliesin" comes from. I know there's an SA poster I've seen a lot with that handle, but it's such an odd seeming name that the dude who died in portland having it as a name struck me as weird - until I just realized that Taliesin was Frank Lloyd Wright's summer studio and home, which seems like a pretty valid thing to pick a kid's name from if you're not excited about a fantasy novel, or some ancient welsh bard. precision posted:Yeah I definitely thought they'd have at least gotten to the initial Mr. Nancy meet-and-greet by now after they put his origin so early. I can't wait, Orlando Jones killed it. I'd be happy if they could fit that upset slave who prayed to Nancy in the bowels of that Dutch ship, as some other character later on. His facial expressions during that scene were really remarkable and played so well off Orlando Jones' weird give-no-fucks jazz-man style, that I wouldn't mind seeing that guy come back as some other character. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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Jun 6, 2017 21:49
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coyo7e posted:
I think that Taliesin was Merlin's teacher, in the King Arthur stories.
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Jun 6, 2017 22:22
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April posted:I think that Taliesin was Merlin's teacher, in the King Arthur stories. He was a real historical person: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliesin
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:He was a real historical person: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliesin drat, learn something new every day! When I was in high school I was super into the King Arthur legends, and I could swear the name Taliesin popped up there too. However, that was 25 years ago, and I am too lazy/tired from work to try to track it down now. Which makes me wonder if there's an American Merlin be-bopping around anywhere? It's kind of dizzying to think of all the different myths and legends this show could go into.
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Jun 6, 2017 22:52
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I mean, he's probably also a character in Arthurian legend, the two aren't exactly exclusive. King Arthur is like one big fanfiction shared universe for Medieval writers.
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Jun 6, 2017 23:26
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How did Wednesday know? Lots of good answers, but come on. Gee I wonder how the god of secret knowledge knew about secret knowledge.
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Jun 7, 2017 01:41
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I like the work they're doing with trumpets when Hugin and Munin speak to Wednesday, in the hotel hall it was almost literally the Charlie Brown trumpet squawking of the adults in the show. And Wednesday's glass eye is starting to get a lot brighter as well.
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Jun 7, 2017 02:13
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You know with them expanding mythologies and gods in this show I hope they do some Chinese mythology since you can easily make a Coming To America segment set in 19th century San Francisco, hell have Emperor Norton I show up too
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Gaiman tended to do more with Japanese mythology than Chinese IIRC (not that he couldn't interpret whatever) but in Sandman Susanoo-no-Mikoto and Loki had an altercation as Loki is not keen on thunder gods, for obvious reasons.
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April posted:drat, learn something new every day! When I was in high school I was super into the King Arthur legends, and I could swear the name Taliesin popped up there too. However, that was 25 years ago, and I am too lazy/tired from work to try to track it down now. Taliesin is the name of the first book in Penndragon Trilogy where the real welsh bard is Merlin's father.
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Toast Museum posted:It's a place in Wisconsin. A friend of mine went four or five years ago and confirmed that it's as weird as you'd expect. The parts of season two that take place there are being filmed on location, so we'll all get to see at least some of it. As I said upthread, my family and I visited The House on the Rock just last Sunday. It's a pretty amazing place, a true shrine to American Artifice, and somehow both peaceful and incredibly creepy at the same time. The Carousel is so big and complex, I thought for a moment that I was experiencing the Stendhal Syndrome while there. You then enter the next area directly by walking through the mouth of a great beast, into an enormous room filled with mechanisms, pipe organs, clock pieces, chimes, and other strange mechanisms. Probably the most impressive thing about The House, is how every time you think you've grown adjusted to the place, you turn a corner and see something else new and bizarre and monumental. We spent over 4 hours walking from one end of the place to the other. I just finally watched the newest episode tonight. It was fantastic, and as others have said, really assures me how they can get away with drawing out this show without it getting boring. In many ways, this show is a road trip themed show. There are just so, so many places they can stop and still keep things interesting. I loved how off-book this episode was without feeling out of character in the least. Also, at the beginning, pre-credits, the "Previously on American Gods" sequence was shown through the same Media monitor as the bank surveillance screen, complete with the mysterious top-hatted figure shown in the reflection.
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I saw the House on the Rock this February. It wasn't all open, so I might make another trip later. But yeah, I'd concur that the place has a lot of weird. It's also got a very American commercialism to it. It's built to be a tourist trap, a place that draws you in on reputation and just perpetuates itself that way. The weirdest thing for me was actually the little museum to the weirdo that built the place before entering the house proper. It's all in shrine to Alex Jordan Jr., the "builder" of the place. There's this video on loop that talks about him the same way people talk about a cult leader. "In high school, he grew strong," is one of the lines that really stuck to me. Nobody talks like that. But he also collected doll houses just to have more attractions to see. It's a weird mix.
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I haven't been watching the show (don't have Starz) - but I suspect the guy in the top hat is Baron Samedi.
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Wizchine posted:I haven't been watching the show (don't have Starz) - but I suspect the guy in the top hat is Baron Samedi. It's actually a cardboard cut-out of Ted Danson.
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Disgusting Coward posted:It's actually a cardboard cut-out of Ted Danson. But the twist is that it's actually a cardboard cut-out of Ted Danson playing Michael, from The Good Place. Crossover, bitches!
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Jun 8, 2017 12:15
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Clips time! Don't click if you don't want minor spoilers Some poo poo about a thief Some poo poo about leprechauns Some poo poo about ambition
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Kind of a weird episode for one that is right before the finale, but I enjoyed it since my favorite part of Gaiman's works are those side stories where it goes through a persons entire life and having that be most of the episode was nice and I'm a sap so seeing Sweeney take her to the afterlife tug at my heartstrings a lot
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Yeah, i like these kinds of interludes too in general, but at the same time I didn't like this particular episode as much as the other ones. But whatever, it's still rocking my world and the finale looks like it'll be one hell of a show.
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swamp waste posted:This is what really bugs me about it. There's huge religious conflicts and dramas in America, and this isn't about them. And the show is doing this much better than the book
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swamp waste posted:This is what really bugs me about it. There's huge religious conflicts and dramas in America, and this isn't about them. Such a show would be a little heavy handed, don't you think? Political commentary in sci-fi and fantasy is best done covertly with a wink and a nod, or at the very most framed in the universe of the setting (i.e. Mr. Nancy on the slave ship ranting at the African who summoned him). Also, the entire thesis of American Gods is that there's something about the continent that makes holding on to old ways difficult for immigrants. Viewing it as a war between Media and Anubis is being too literal, the war is about the struggle of the Old Ways that immigrants bring with them against the New Ways of their newly-adopted American home. mycomancy fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Jun 11, 2017 |
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Jun 11, 2017 13:55
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Well, I'm glad Laura got that off her chest, but I sure as gently caress didn't expect that.
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You know, I don't think the book ever implied that Wednesday manufactured the car accident.
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muscles like this! posted:You know, I don't think the book ever implied that Wednesday manufactured the car accident. I don't think so either. It would make sense though. As far as I'm concerned, I'm 100% fine with them diverting and taking some liberties.
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muscles like this! posted:You know, I don't think the book ever implied that Wednesday manufactured the car accident. They straight-up admit it in chapter 18. quote:
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Oh I thought we were talking about the car accident with Laura and Sweeney, which I don't actually remember being in the book accident. Oh yeah, definitely the accident that killed Laura was him.
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The episode felt like filler so close to the finale, I was at least hoping for Laura to meet a Jesus. But I'm glad that they did tell all of the Essie story, one of my favorite segments of the book.
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It was an interesting choice to have Emily Browning play Essie. Is our takeaway supposed to be that Laura is Essie's descendant? Or just that they are two incredibly similar women?
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I'd like to think they were related. The mom was played by the same actress as Old Essie, which suggested some sort of lineage of similar looking women. Also I'd like to point out that the music selection was amazing this episode.
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