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I'm seriously wondering if people are seeing dougie as we are, or if it's some sort of "nobody pays attention to anyone else's poo poo" notions of modern society taken to the extreme. it can't possibly just be weird for its own sake
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basic hitler posted:or if it's some sort of "nobody pays attention to anyone else's poo poo" notions of modern society taken to the extreme. They treat Dougie like how side characters tended to treat Beavis and Butthead.
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Dejan Bimble posted:Do you think the ghost is gonna come back If you mean the thing that showed up in the cube, I think that it is the same thing that in causing the misfortune for everyone in Coops trail. Needs a couple more points to make a line but I'm adding to my list of called shots.
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i thought it was pretty clear that the thing banging during the scene with the blind girl was the glass box ghost. unseen, but the motions the girl was making and the sound effects when she was slicing her hands around was a pretty clear link to the ghost murder
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Jun 6, 2017 09:39
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Yep it's the same sound as when the couple are being all tore up.
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What's up with the box in Argentina? "The poo poo. it has come out of my rear end. AYUDAME!"
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I think there's some confusion over the Briggs thing. In the Pentagon they say that his prints have been flagged again right? And they say that "If it's him - and it won't be", but that to be seems to imply that for whatever reason, his prints keep getting flagged on bodies that aren't him. If they just said oh this is the first time in 25 years then that would be different, but their conversation says that this has been happening multiple times.
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basic hitler posted:I'm seriously wondering if people are seeing dougie as we are, or if it's some sort of "nobody pays attention to anyone else's poo poo" notions of modern society taken to the extreme. I think it's both that, and that he had issues to begin with, the wife (the nervous crime drama wife with her weird aloof kid and taking it in stride when the husband shows up with a bag of money) says something about him having "episodes", so people are used to him acting like that.
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I thought.... Well, this is where I have to admit some ignorance, as I honestly do not know in fingerprint analysis how the software differentiates between a fingerprint hit in the database coming from a body or simply coming from prints that were lifted off an area of suspicion. Anyway, I don't think it's communicated to us either way what category the other "hits" were - I suppose it is most likely to presume that they were also dead bodies (presumably with heads?) that came up and were demonstrably NOT Garland Briggs for extremely obvious reasons. And if it were just his fingerprints showing up on doorknobs or in crime scenes or something, a comment like "it won't be him" or whatever would make very little sense. In any case, this oddly reminds me of season 2 of The Wire, and the way The Greek would dispose of bodies (no hands, no head). So I suppose we ought to hope that Briggs had some sort of identifying birthmarks or scars or other kind of marking on his body if we're really going to learn anything. And remember, we do now have multiple reasons why lots of people are going to be interested in DougieCoop soon. There's the Wedding Ring that Gordon and Albert are going to find, which should quickly lead them to the house with the red door. There's also the Key to Cooper's room (315) at The Great Northern, which (maybe?) is the missing item Hawk is supposed to be looking for. I'm curious about how the key being mailed back to the Great Northern works out - have we seen Audrey yet, incidentally? I don't THINK we have. On a random note, there was one minor complaint I had about this episode - Sheriff Truman being on the phone with the "sick" Harry Truman. I'm sorry but that just took me RIGHT out of the show and for the rest of the scene with Robert Forster I was just thinking about how "off" it feels trying to incorporate Harry Truman into the story with the actor absent. We know Harry Truman's not coming back - why bother making him "sick" and having other characters communicate with him reminding us of the (still, to me) somewhat awkward replacement of one Truman with another very similar Truman of the same age. On the other hand, writing that last paragraph out has made me aware that it definitely works with the ongoing and developing theme of twinning/dopplegangers, both literally and figuratively. Although, I don't see Becky as a 2017 version of Laura Palmer - the thing about Laura was that she *really* had two very different lives going on, and was extremely disassociated from herself in a strange way. She managed to pull off the "homecoming queen golden girl" act to the entire town completely convincingly, while being a prostitute addicted to over-the-top debauchery with gross and seedy bad men on the weekends and nights. I don't think we'll ever really get "another Laura Palmer" and that's almost as it should be, since she was such an indelible character. I will certainly admit, however, that there are allusions to Laura in her character. And the one image out of that episode that I *cannot* get out of my mind is her looking up at the sky, stoned out of her mind while sugary-sweet early '60s-era pop plays. I just.... cannot stress how much this image sticks in my head. I feel like it's the most important thing we've maybe seen in the entire series in a way, perhaps - this girl off her head blissed out and seeing god-knows-what through her starry blue eyes. It might just be that it's SUCH a perfectly encapsulated David Lynch moment, but I still just cannot resist it watching it one more time and... I dunno, it is SUCH a moment. I doubt we'll see much more of scuzzy whats-his-name driving the car (I hope) but I can't help but think that Becky's gonna be hugely significant.
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That Wally Brando scene in episode 4 is loving incredible. I sure as hell did not see that coming.
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i'm really curious about where this all leads. it feels like there are so many plot threads and so many characters—does this season end with them all converging in one event? Is that even possible? Dougie's role is interesting. It seems like he's unwittingly acting as an agent for goodness—helping strangers and his wife with jackpots, unmasking the one dude committing insurance fraud, and introducing another guy to a tasty drink by taking his coffee. (Then again, because of his actions an innocent casino guy gets the poo poo kicked out of him, so maybe I'm wrong.) Is Dougie "balancing out" the evil Coop with goodness? It's also interesting to note that the evil coop is highly intelligent while the good coop is basically braindead. Polo-Rican fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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Polo-Rican posted:i'm really curious about where this all leads. it feels like there are so many plot threads and so many characters—does this season end with them all converging in one event? Is that even possible? It's certainly possible, but it doesn't sound like Lynch. His threads all tie up thematically, but they don't always tie up via plot, if that makes any sense.
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We're definitely at the point where I'm slightly worried that all these storylines won't live up to their potential.
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Escobarbarian posted:We're definitely at the point where I'm slightly worried that all these storylines won't live up to their potential. There are 13 hours left of the show... We're not even half-way there, dude.
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Jun 6, 2017 14:44
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Well yeah I'm not that worried. But there's SO MUCH that I'd like to see explored a hell of a lot more than it feels like the show will have time for.
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Jun 6, 2017 14:46
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Yea, it's turned out that 18 episodes was apparently necessary. No way Lynch could do whatever it is he's trying to do in 8 or 10 episodes. I'm wondering if this entire thing is going to culminate in finally, after 25 years, Cooper being able to get out in front of this stuff and prevent The Evil Men Do from claiming another one(Becky). He couldn't save his girlfriend, he couldn't save Laura, he couldn't save Annie. Maybe this time he will.
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Escobarbarian posted:Well yeah I'm not that worried. But there's SO MUCH that I'd like to see explored a hell of a lot more than it feels like the show will have time for. I think the show will answer most of the questions by the end. They've already announced another book called "The Final Dossier", which will probably clarify everything for those who want direct (haha) answers. Basebf555 posted:Yea, it's turned out that 18 episodes was apparently necessary. No way Lynch could do whatever it is he's trying to do in 8 or 10 episodes. I think that's where we're headed. It seems like Coop is this beacon of hope, and since he's been in the lodge, the world's been worse off. Now that's he's returned, he's bringing a karmic balance of good with him in the wake of all the bad EvilCoop/BOB's been doing. I like the zen concept of Coop bringing good to the world without actively doing so.
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kaworu posted:We found out that, interestingly, there have apparently been a series of *hoaxes* regarding people reporting information or fingerprints or *something* regarding Major Briggs, but it looks like some military branch of the government is so intent on information about what happened to him (or something) that they dutifully check out every single lead. That also links back to the FBI and likely Gordon Cole, but *possibly* something to do with Cooper/Jeffries as well. We are not really sure why this military guy feels dutiful about keeping the FBI specifically up to speed on the Major Briggs situation. I'm guessing it relates to the investigation as conducted in the Mark Frost book, right? Book spoilers: The book is essentially all of the research that has been assembled by Garland Briggs and then reviewed and verified by FBI Agent Preston so I would assume there's some sort of communication that remains ongoing?
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Franchescanado posted:I think that's where we're headed. It seems like Coop is this beacon of hope, and since he's been in the lodge, the world's been worse off. Now that's he's returned, he's bringing a karmic balance of good with him in the wake of all the bad EvilCoop/BOB's been doing. I like the zen concept of Coop bringing good to the world without actively doing so. In that vein, I'd bet that his little outburst in the staff meeting will end up exposing some major embezzlement or something in the company and save everyone's jobs. Like maybe him saying that put a seed of doubt in the boss' mind and then things snowball and Tom Sizemore ends up being exposed as a fraud. Similar to what happened with the casino, I have a feeling they probably were cheating people out of jackpots until Coop came along to balance the scales. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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I just don't understand why the mob boss would think it was the managers fault At the same time though I dunno how they couldn't corral a shuffling idiot in the time it took to get 30 jackpots Helloooo
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moist turtleneck posted:I just don't understand why the mob boss would think it was the managers fault Brett Gelman has made a career out of playing punchable characters, and it's easy to blame someone else. The mob bosses also seem like expansions on the mob bosses from Lost Highway and the "Producers" from Mulholland Drive. Basebf555 posted:In that vein, I'd bet that his little outburst in the staff meeting will end up exposing some major embezzlement or something in the company and save everyone's jobs. Like maybe him saying that put a seed of doubt in the boss' mind and then things snowball and Tom Sizemore ends up being exposed as a fraud. Similar to what happened with the casino, I have a feeling they probably were cheating people out of jackpots until Coop came along to balance the scales. This is exactly what I'm thinking. Also, Coop's obsession with shoes, he's in another man's shoes trying to reconnect with his own soles/soul.
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kaworu posted:We found out that, interestingly, there have apparently been a series of *hoaxes* regarding people reporting information or fingerprints or *something* regarding Major Briggs, but it looks like some military branch of the government is so intent on information about what happened to him (or something) that they dutifully check out every single lead. That also links back to the FBI and likely Gordon Cole, but *possibly* something to do with Cooper/Jeffries as well. We are not really sure why this military guy feels dutiful about keeping the FBI specifically up to speed on the Major Briggs situation. I'm not so sure the fingerprint hits can be written off as hoaxes. Ernie Hudson doesn't really state that people are reporting finding Brigg's prints, he's implying (I think) that police departments are running fingerprint searches against a national database and they're coming back as Brigg's. More than likely these police departments are getting the same "Restricted Access" type of response similar to the coroner in South Dakota.
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My wife and I are enjoying TPs3 (we courted over the original series a few years ago), and I remarked that one of you fine folks complimented David Lynch on his patience as a director, his ability to hoooolllldddddd a shot so long the banal becomes threatening or absurd. She posed a question: "How come I like when David Lynch holds a shot but not Neil Breen?" If you don't know, Neil Breen wrote, directed, and starred in my current favorite good-bad movie, Fateful Findings. Breen is an inept filmmaker and Lynch is obviously very... ept. And yet, in a vacuum, they do similar things: long "aimless" shots, characters who speak strangely or show bad acting habits (Truman's wife from Episode 5 was the worst actress I've seen in the show and yet it was charming), plot lines that go nowhere... It's interesting to ponder the way auteurial prowess can somehow redeem what would be a "bad take" from a worse director
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So this was on my feed today, posted by an SJW who earlier said "You know, the new Twin Peaks just isn't doing it for me": https://thebaffler.com/bread-and-circuses/it-is-happening-again-orr "To borrow Showtime’s catchphrase for the new Twin Peaks, “It is happening again.” In this case, the “it” is the stereotypical rendering of black people."
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mary had a little clam posted:My wife and I are enjoying TPs3 (we courted over the original series a few years ago), and I remarked that one of you fine folks complimented David Lynch on his patience as a director, his ability to hoooolllldddddd a shot so long the banal becomes threatening or absurd. She posed a question: Lynch has rhythm and he films what he's fascinated by and tries to find the poetry in the shot. He also has an eye for making the mundane beautiful or at least aesthetically interesting, like the shot of the jail cell in episode 5, where a third of the shot is black from bars, then a third is the bar patterns expanding, and then the other third is the officer walking and dropping off food. The same thing for Werner Herzog and Paul Thomas Anderson. They understand a film's rhythm and scene's beauty (or horror). It's also the characters. Even the one-scene characters have an unspoken depth to them. The junkie mom is holed up in an abandoned house in a mostly abandoned suburb, probably hiding from child custody and trying to enjoy the last of her drugs so she doesn't have to acknowledge that she's a lovely mom that can only feed her kid crackers, though she barely has dialogue. Lynch's allowance of "bad acting" always feels...Sincere to me? People are very very strange. Lynch captures that feeling without ever getting 'human zoo' about it. It's never "Heh, look at how loving weird these guys are, right?". It's always "Look, these people are weird, and they're wonderful. No one has a tic like that!" He's embracing it, because he's pretty aware that he's an odd guy himself. edit: And the plot lines do go somewhere thematically, which is what's important to him. They fuel the ideas and the intent of the story, and that doesn't always mean that it's going to come together in a crescendo like the end to a Seinfeld episode.
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It's honestly amazing how real every minor character has felt to me, even ones that only get a scene or two. They feel like actual people living their lives and not just glorified extras, it's fantastic. Surprisingly the only character that I've felt is kind of empty so far is Agent Preston, but that might just be because she had so much more of a strong presence in the book. I'm assuming Lynch will go somewhere more interesting with her later though.
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It's not always bad acting but the fact he lets actors emote and get weird with it. Most directors would probably rely on that editing trick where actors actually don't emote very much and instead rely on the juxtaposition of disturbing /sexy/weird imagery to make it look like they're reacting appropriately
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:It's honestly amazing how real every minor character has felt to me, even ones that only get a scene or two. They feel like actual people living their lives and not just glorified extras, it's fantastic. Agreed, but that may be because Preston is played by a musician with little acting experience. Lynch let's actors do what they want with the role, and I don't think she knows what to do other than shake her rear end when she walks and look hot and ambivalent.
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cjg posted:SJW Shut up you dipshit
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Jerusalem posted:Coop in the casino.... I have made this my ringtone and it's made each day a little bit brighter.
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I liked the over the top acting by Sheriff Truman's wife. I must have cracked up 2-3 times during her rant.
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Mover posted:Shut up you dipshit Umm...he self identifies as that. *shrug*
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Lynch's shots of people just silently sitting or standing somewhere (sometimes super awkwardly) for a minute are my favourite. It lets you contemplate the scene before something happens. Even better if characters are making facial expressions at each other which seem out of place but actually feel so right.
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ZeeBoi posted:Lynch's shots of people just silently sitting or standing somewhere (sometimes super awkwardly) for a minute are my favourite. It lets you contemplate the scene before something happens. let's not get carried away
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The main difference between Neil Breen and David Lynch is experience, budget, and the capability of expression.
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Jerusalem posted:That Wally Brando scene in episode 4 is loving incredible. I sure as hell did not see that coming. I love Lynch but that was one of the worst things ever put on television. The Casino sequence however ranks up there with anything DL has ever done.
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I like how divided people are over Wally Brando.
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Wally Brando's scene is great specifically because it is so awful.
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can we talk about the worst scene of the show so far - the scene between sheriff truman and his wife yikes
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Thom and the Heads posted:can we talk about the worst scene of the show so far - the scene between sheriff truman and his wife
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