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Can anyone clarify the "heavy" rule poo poo for Maru Skara? Can I take a loving lascannon in this list or not?
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Jun 6, 2017 16:05
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JBP posted:Can anyone clarify the "heavy" rule poo poo for Maru Skara? Can I take a loving lascannon in this list or not? You can't take any models with the Immobile or Slow and Purposeful rules or units with the Heavy subtype, like Leman Russ tanks. Heavy weapons are still A-OK, you just aren't allowed to take anything that moves slower than a walking pace. Note that Cataphractii terminators have the Slow and Purposeful rule in all but name - they're still allowed, if perhaps a little slow for what you usually want to try with Maru Skara.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:23
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I want to take the Reaping because fluffy and chem flamers, but man having to take two tac squads kinda sucks when everyone else is bringing Marksmen vets. Edit: Okay, dropped the Spartan and one Deathshroud to get a Phobos and a Deredeo - +++ Death Guard 2v2 - 1,500 (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy) [1500pts] +++ + HQ + Calas Typhon . Deathshroud Terminator Squad: 4x Deathshroud Terminators . . Land Raider Phobos: Armoured Ceramite, Chem-munitions, Heavy Flamer + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad: 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Power Scythe, Rad Grenades Legion Tactical Squad: 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Power Scythe, Rad Grenades Legion Tactical Support Squad: Chem-munitions, 4x Legion Space Marines . Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier: Chem-munitions, Heavy Flamer . Legion Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Combat Blade, Flamer + Fast Attack + Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter: Ground-tracking Auguries, 3x Phosphex bomb cluster + Heavy Support + Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought: Aiolos Missile Launcher, Chem-munitions, Twin-linked Anvilius Pattern Autocannon Battery, Twin-linked Heavy Flamer + Allegiance + Legiones Astartes: XIV: Death Guard, Traitor Rite of War: The Reaping TKIY fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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Jun 6, 2017 16:26
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Drake_263 posted:You can't take any models with the Immobile or Slow and Purposeful rules or units with the Heavy subtype, like Leman Russ tanks. Heavy weapons are still A-OK, you just aren't allowed to take anything that moves slower than a walking pace. Cool that was my understanding, but my buddy brought it up and the internet is a poo poo resource. We break rules constantly without realising but it seemed like a biggie and potentially annoying.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:33
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JBP posted:Cool that was my understanding, but my buddy brought it up and the internet is a poo poo resource. We break rules constantly without realising but it seemed like a biggie and potentially annoying. The brutality of having to take a (stylish and fluffy) Champion is punishment enough. While an awesome concept, I sure wish it wasn't the worst Consul.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:42
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TKIY posted:I want to take the Reaping because fluffy and chem flamers, but man having to take two tac squads kinda sucks when everyone else is bringing Marksmen vets. I'm drawing a blank on all of the benefits of the Reaping right now, but couldn't you run Assault Squads with rad grenade sergeants? I think that'd fit with your theme, and 2 of those with a few swords would absolutely chew through dudes in cover.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:47
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TKIY posted:I want to take the Reaping because fluffy and chem flamers, but man having to take two tac squads kinda sucks when everyone else is bringing Marksmen vets. At this small a points level did you consider Creeping Death as your Rite of War?
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Jun 6, 2017 16:50
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Broken Record Talk posted:I'm drawing a blank on all of the benefits of the Reaping right now, but couldn't you run Assault Squads with rad grenade sergeants? I think that'd fit with your theme, and 2 of those with a few swords would absolutely chew through dudes in cover. I don't have any Assault Squads  Tons of tacs and heavy support.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:50
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Reaping benefits are Vets and Heavy Support Squads as Non-compulsory troops, Move Through Cover, and the ability to buy Rad Grenades on characters. Drawbacks are no running/flat out, no deep striking, and only one fast attack.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:50
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Lord_Hambrose posted:At this small a points level did you consider Creeping Death as your Rite of War? No? I'll look it up. I am a very new 30k ham. Edit: Creeping Death list - +++ 1,500 Death Guard - Creeping Death (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy) [1500pts] +++ + HQ + Calas Typhon: Legiones Astartes, Master of the Legion . Deathshroud Terminator Squad: 4x Deathshroud Terminators, Legiones Astartes . . Land Raider Phobos: Armoured Ceramite, Chem-munitions, Heavy Flamer, Searchlight and Smoke Launchers, Twin-Linked Lascannon Sponsons Siege Breaker: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Legiones Astartes, Power Armour . Consul: Siege Breaker + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad: 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legiones Astartes . Additional Wargear: Bolters . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Power Scythe . Standard Wargear: Bolt Pistols, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour Legion Tactical Squad: 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legiones Astartes . Additional Wargear: Bolters . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Power Scythe . Standard Wargear: Bolt Pistols, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour + Heavy Support + Legion Heavy Support Squad: Legion Sergeant, 4x Legion Space Marines, Legiones Astartes, Missile Launcher Legion Heavy Support Squad: Legion Sergeant, 4x Legion Space Marines, Legiones Astartes, Missile Launcher Legion Heavy Support Squad: Autocannon, Legion Sergeant, 4x Legion Space Marines, Legiones Astartes + Allegiance + Legiones Astartes: XIV: Death Guard, Traitor Rite of War: Creeping Death TKIY fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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Jun 6, 2017 16:51
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TKIY posted:I don't have any Assault Squads Better get building!
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Jun 6, 2017 17:24
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Is the sicaran venator any good?
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Jun 6, 2017 17:31
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Booley posted:Is the sicaran venator any good? Yes, but don't add the sponsons quite yet. If 7.5 lets you fire other guns at full BS after shooting an ordnance gun it'll become the best tank hunter in the game.
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Jun 6, 2017 17:33
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Broken Record Talk posted:Better get building! Like I don't even own any to build. All I have for infantry is the contents of 3 Calth boxes. Possibly 4?
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Jun 6, 2017 17:38
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I'm building up my Magos and I have no idea what a Rad Furnace is supposed to look like... Is it just a jet engine exhaust sticking out of his chest?
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Jun 6, 2017 17:47
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You could use the manhole cover bits from the back of a myrmidon. Or the back part of a thallax chest under the jetpack- it's an iron man orb looking thing.
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Jun 6, 2017 18:17
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Perfect, thanks. I think I've got the ideal bit.
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Jun 6, 2017 18:28
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Booley posted:Is the sicaran venator any good? I've been consistently disappointed in mine. A pair of laser vindicators is way better at damaging armor for similar amounts of points. The venator definitely has a niche since it can stun lock LoWs, but with 2 shots you're not averaging as much damage as you'd think and there's going to be an uncomfortable amount of turns where you don't even get a glance.
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Jun 7, 2017 01:11
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So how does one kill a Spartan? Usually the flare shield will be facing your worse stuff, so dedicated AT shooting will do jack. You can try chainfisting it to death but win or lose you're dealing with what's inside.
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Jun 7, 2017 02:50
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Grav, krakens, or melta bombs. Volume of fire is a forth, but less good option. It's ok to tangle with what's inside if you consider the transport itself is about 300 points and your keeping the deathstar occupied for 3-4 turns. Some ideas to get you started: -Grav contemptor or melta/drill leviathan in a dreadnought pod -Melta bomb breachers in a dreadclaw -Grav rapiers -Lightning with krakens -Grav breachers with a vigilator Allies are another option. Admech is the current king of haywire: -A robo bumble bee will usually kill a spartan within 1 turn -Peltast squads
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Jun 7, 2017 03:14
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BULBASAUR posted:Grav, krakens, or melta bombs. Volume of fire is a forth, but less good option. It's ok to tangle with what's inside if you consider the transport itself is about 300 points and your keeping the deathstar occupied for 3-4 turns. Some ideas to get you started: One time against stanyer I took a Spartan with min terminators and a consul against his, full of Leman Russ and grey slayers. We just played chicken and I tied up a huge chunk of points.
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Jun 7, 2017 03:19
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Der Waffle Mous posted:So how does one kill a Spartan? Ask yourself, how much do you hate spartans? Get that amount of Vultarax.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:44
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tallkidwithglasses posted:One time against stanyer I took a Spartan with min terminators and a consul against his, full of Leman Russ and grey slayers. We just played chicken and I tied up a huge chunk of points.  Amazing. I used to do this all the time in 40k when the Khorne Lord could take the 2d6 attacks demon weapon. He was dangerous enough that people had to deal with him even if they realized he was all alone, but also let me use the Land Raider as a cool tough tank.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:54
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I find my knight lancer has a merry time tearing the arse out of a Spartan and then pummeling the gently caress out of anything that survived.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:15
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BULBASAUR posted:Grav, krakens, or melta bombs. Volume of fire is a forth, but less good option. It's ok to tangle with what's inside if you consider the transport itself is about 300 points and your keeping the deathstar occupied for 3-4 turns. Some ideas to get you started: Grav contemptor?
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Jun 7, 2017 14:13
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TTerrible posted:Grav contemptor? Fist, chainfist, and 2 graviton guns. They do work.
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Jun 7, 2017 15:02
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Broken Record Talk posted:Fist, chainfist, and 2 graviton guns. They do work. Never thought about bothering with a dual fist contemptor. 215pts tho. Hmm.
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Jun 7, 2017 15:11
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I ran two cc contemptors and a dual kheres assault cannon contemptor and they loving cleaned house. They are made even worse by Maru Skara.
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Jun 7, 2017 15:26
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TTerrible posted:Never thought about bothering with a dual fist contemptor. 215pts tho. Hmm. Better yet, a cortus contemptor.
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Jun 7, 2017 16:00
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Mango Polo posted:Better yet, a cortus contemptor. 
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Jun 7, 2017 16:02
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2x grav DCCW or chain fists on a cortus is a loving steal for the threat output. Run it at a tank and watch your opponent loving scramble. 2HP on the way in, then finishing the job in CC.
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Jun 7, 2017 17:27
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Podding a cortus with grav and chainfist is a great speedbump. Especially if you plop it right in front. Buring retros means you can’t charge the dreadnaught, so you keep it in the pod and force the spartan to drive around you. Best case they say ‘gently caress it’ and charge you turn 2. Worst case they shoot you off the table.
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Jun 7, 2017 18:38
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Part of me is extremely disappointed that Custodes don't get dumb little box dreads.
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Jun 8, 2017 19:54
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I forgot about SA. You can take a tank commander and throw him into a vanquisher russ squadron for x3 tank hunting AP2 BS5 armorbane shots. That's probably the best way to punch through the front of a Spartan.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:17
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Im fond of the magos prime with a photon thruster and the armorbane upgrade in a squad of tank hunting thallax.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:21
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Corbyn is slowly socialising Forgeworld orders for those in the territories. Gonna order a loving Warlord.
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Jun 9, 2017 00:32
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JBP posted:Corbyn is slowly socialising Forgeworld orders for those in the territories.  Live that crazy dream.
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Jun 9, 2017 01:33
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Out of curiosity, how do people kit their tactical squad sergeants? If at all outside the requisite melta bomb and maybe artificer armor?
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Jun 9, 2017 06:56
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I just give my sergeants combi plasmas and artificer armor, are people using meltabombs on tactical sergenats? I just keep them out of melee.
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Jun 9, 2017 07:10
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I'll save you the theory crafting, but it usually makes sense to grab AA so you can tank AP3. Beyond that it really depends on your legion and what they are doing. Legions like IWs and WBs can run them naked as fodder with good morale. WE you wanna go all in because they're probably running up the table with 4 attacks on the charge. Just depends. Your most common builds are probably AA, axe, melta bomb, AA, or AA + combi weapon.
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