Tuxedo Catfish posted:

also "Mary Shelley is not science fiction" is an argument i can understand, i don't agree but i get the sorta anti-essentialist logic behind it

"Philip K. Dick is not science fiction" is just snobbery trying to poach good genre writers

Lurdiak posted:

I've had people try to tell me Gremlins is science fiction. Sci-fi fans want to appropriate everything.

Snak posted:

What is a definition of science fiction that doesn't include Frankenstein?

Mary Shelley is commonly credited with creating the genre.

Snak posted:

What is a definition of science fiction that doesn't include Frankenstein?

Mary Shelley is commonly credited with creating the genre.

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Link. Now.

Grendels Dad posted:

As it happens I am currently rereading Frankenstein, and whether its science fiction or not, Victor Frankenstein is a whiny rear end in a top hat.

Brainiac Five posted:

A definition that relegates genre to stuff that's below a certain level of perceived quality. Like if someone were to say Blood Meridian wasn't a Western or Mason & Dixon wasn't historical fiction.

Grendels Dad posted:

As it happens I am currently rereading Frankenstein, and whether its science fiction or not, Victor Frankenstein is a whiny rear end in a top hat.

therattle posted:

Did someone say Mason & Dixon?

If you liked that then read Francis Spufford's Golden Hill. It's less ambitious but an easier read. I loved it. It reminded me strongly of M&D; I emailed him and he confirmed the explicit similarities, as M&D is one of his favourite books too.

Gorman Thomas posted:

Yeah, it's deffo overhyped

The Bananana posted:

That's kiiiind of what I was worried about, given the 93% RT score...

*sigh*

Still, it's between this and alien today, so idk.

LesterGroans posted:

Skwirl posted:

What was the final score and what was the score at the top of the ninth, because if there's not a huge difference that would be torture for me to watch.

Safety Factor posted:

I have just found out that every episode of Japanese Iron Chef is on Youtube.

Alhazred posted:

Then again, so is the monster.

The Bananana posted:

That's kiiiind of what I was worried about, given the 93% RT score...

*sigh*

Still, it's between this and alien today, so idk.

Dr Monkeysee posted:

The monster ends up being a typical redditer MRA whining about he "deserves" a woman he can sleep with despite not exhibiting any decent personality or putting any effort into attracting anybody.

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

*is an 8 foot tall monster who is a species onto himself and shunned by everyone he sees* "hmmm better work on my pickup lines"

Corrosion posted:

Easy to miss the part of the novel where The Creature learns to speak by living out of sight of a family and observing their behavior, then tries to speak to the family face to face despite knowing how hideous he appears even to himself.

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Nope, he just wasn't trying hard enough, you see.

Grendels Dad posted:

You are taking 'steroids' pretty literally, I see. Maybe 'supercharged' would have been a better word.

Predators is absolutely about bigger and badder, which does not necessarily mean that every character is physically bigger and badder. However, the eponymous creatures are bigger and badder, and it's a twist in the movie that they tied their predecessor up to emasculate them and ultimately kill them in a fight. There is not even any cheating involved, the Über-Predator just straight up beats them up and decapitates them. The characters are more updated than upgraded, and not in the way you extrapolated from my steroids comment. Jesse Ventura is a roided-up version of an 80's action movie hardass. Walter Goggins is his update, in the sense that his type of character is now what is commonly portrayed in action movies. The better Predator movies have always taken contemporary action movie stock characters for their main characters/victims.

Also, I specifically said that this one scene in Predators was like an anime, not the whole movie. The swaying grass, the charging with the swords, the moment of hesitation afterwards with one of them collapsing are all elements present in anime. Snak was so helpful to point out that anime took it from somewhere else, I was trying to point out why my mind went there first instead of Kurosawa.

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Look I try to take everyone's perspective seriously and entertain different points of view but "Frankenstein's monster is like an MRA Redditer" it just a super facile analysis of what's happening in the book. Context matters.

Alhazred posted:

Context like "this is not a thread for a serious analysis of Frankenstein but a chat thread"?

Alhazred posted:

He could at the very least tried to not kill everyone he meets. Its an relatively easy way to not appear monstrous.

Corrosion posted:

This is a relatively easy way to try to distract from the actual content of the novel. You're doing a pretty big disservice to it in favor of being patronizing. Come on, son. Casually chatting about Frankenstein in earnest isn't hard.

X-Ray Pecs posted:

This thread is currently going through multiple posts, each multiple paragraphs long, discussing whether or not Predators is like anime or not, we can have a quick chat about one of the fundamental novels of science-fiction.

Tenzarin posted:

This is only half of it, if you want to see the one other swing go on youtube.

How is that even anime?

Brainiac Five posted:

The Monster is also asking to be accepted as a living being equal to humanity who can reproduce, to be Adam rather than Lucifer. Which is why Bride of Frankenstein is so heavy on homoeroticism.

Tenzarin posted:

This is only half of it, if you want to see the one other swing, go on youtube.

How is that even anime?