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ought ten posted:Trump's actually backtracking (not publicly of course). He called the Saudis tonight to beg them not to gently caress everything up. This is good news and all, but the Saudis are going to be hilariously pissed if they went ahead with this believing that Trump had their back. I wonder if they'll even bother backing down.
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EwokEntourage posted:FBI is domestic law enforcement, not spooks/spies Ah, I thought it was a general term for the alphabet agency people.
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Jun 7, 2017 05:36
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Mantis42 posted:Ah, I thought it was a general term for the alphabet agency people. It's confusing because they're considered an intelligence agency underneath the DNI (established in 2004), but traditionally not known as such. Their role as an intelligence agency took off post 9/11.
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Jun 7, 2017 05:38
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Paradoxish posted:This is good news and all, but the Saudis are going to be hilariously pissed if they went ahead with this believing that Trump had their back. I wonder if they'll even bother backing down. Yeah I mean, the best outcome is no new war in the ME and regional balance/stability are maintained but Trump still stepped in it in a big way and it's hard to imagine there won't be any repercussions.
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Jun 7, 2017 05:40
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Didn't this exact sort of situation lead to the Iraq War. Oh and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/07/qatar-fbi-says-russian-hackers-planted-fake-news-story-that-led-to-crisis-report quote:
Like what the gently caress is even happening right now seriously. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Jun 7, 2017 05:40
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Paradoxish posted:This is good news and all, but the Saudis are going to be hilariously pissed if they went ahead with this believing that Trump had their back. I wonder if they'll even bother backing down. When all this broke my immediate thought was "so what brokebrained bullshit did trump do to cause this?" Well, it's starting to take shape, I guess.
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Jun 7, 2017 05:42
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Boon posted:It's confusing because they're considered an intelligence agency underneath the DNI (established in 2004), but traditionally not known as such. Their role as an intelligence agency took off post 9/11. Well yeah not paying attention to intelligence lead to 9/11 in the first place.
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Jun 7, 2017 05:44
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This is Kuwait all over again but this time our idiot in charge wrote "invade qatar: it's okay" in crayon on the back of a copy of the electoral map instead of just implying it right?
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Jun 7, 2017 05:45
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Has there even been any FBI statement about the Qatar hack?
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Jun 7, 2017 05:45
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Hollismason posted:Didn't this exact sort of situation lead to the Iraq War. Depends on which one you're talking about. Gulf #1 started when Iraq politely asked if we'd mind their annexing Kuwait and a heavily-distracted State Dept. still making GBS threads itself over the dissolution of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact kind of answered "I dunno, maybe? We don't really care about that part of the world right now so long as gas is cheap."
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Mustached Demon posted:Well yeah not paying attention to intelligence lead to 9/11 in the first place. Yeah, but I wouldn't quite phrase it that way, rather the 'intel vs evidence' problem without a government mechanism to adjudicate it (thus DNI).
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Jun 7, 2017 05:46
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Depends on which one you're talking about. Gulf #1 started when Iraq politely asked if we'd mind their annexing Kuwait and a heavily-distracted State Dept. still making GBS threads itself over the dissolution of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact kind of answered "I dunno, maybe? We don't really care about that part of the world right now so long as gas is cheap." That's the one I was referring to.
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Jun 7, 2017 05:47
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Orchestrated Mess posted:Hope I didn't miss someone already posting this, but... Yes, because the democrats are the ones that passed an unworkable healthcare bill in the House, that was then routinely ignored by the Senate democrats. Idiocy runs in the family, apparently.
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Orchestrated Mess posted:Hope I didn't miss someone already posting this, but... This comes from the same man who was directly involved in a charity for children with cancer where nearly 100% of the proceedings went directly to his father's bank account. Also, I understand Karen Handel basically said she didn't believe in a livable wage. God drat, Republicans are bad at speaking.
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Jun 7, 2017 05:49
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What the gently caress was the crisis last week. I honestly can't remember. Last week was the orb right.
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Jun 7, 2017 05:49
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Hollismason posted:What the gently caress was the crisis last week. I honestly can't remember. Last week was the orb right. Orb was two weeks ago.
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Jun 7, 2017 05:51
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Hollismason posted:What the gently caress was the crisis last week. I honestly can't remember. Last week was the orb right. Last week was the fallout of our closest allies alternately demanding we not gently caress up their internal investigations and then openly laughing to our face after we threatened them. Then as a result we literally demanded that the world burn. We didn't start the fire. Boon fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Jun 7, 2017 05:53
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Hollismason posted:What the gently caress was the crisis last week. I honestly can't remember. Last week was the orb right. Trump pulls out of Paris Agreement (or at least screams about it). Also covfefe?
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Jun 7, 2017 05:53
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Hollismason posted:Didn't this exact sort of situation lead to the Iraq War. Russian Hackers Did It sounds like a nice out for the Saudis.
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Jun 7, 2017 05:54
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Mantis42 posted:Ah, I thought it was a general term for the alphabet agency people. It usually refers to spies, and I think most people would conjure up the vision of a spy hiding in the shadows, specifically like a CIA agent. I wouldn't call someone who worked for the NSA or one of the more obscure agencies like the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) (which i just looked up) a spook. to me, the word spook carries a specific connotation, like a John le Carré novel the FBI is a domestic police agency, but it also would qualify as an intelligence agency I think. Like boon said, its complicated and not very clearly separated.
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Jun 7, 2017 05:56
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What I'm curious about is how much of the Russian Qatar interference was them duping KSA, vs. at what level KSA knew the real intelligence picture but are using this is as casus belli for invasion regardless because Trump gave them tacit approval. I would lean towards the latter, in which case it's basically Trump joining an ad hoc coalition with Russia and KSA against his own military base and ally. loving lol this could be the stupidest war pretext since... the last one
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Jun 7, 2017 06:00
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I mean if the X-Files and Twin Peaks taught me anything, the FBI probably has literal ghosts on staff somewhere.
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Jun 7, 2017 06:02
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EwokEntourage posted:It usually refers to spies, and I think most people would conjure up the vision of a spy hiding in the shadows, specifically like a CIA agent. I wouldn't call someone who worked for the NSA or one of the more obscure agencies like the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) (which i just looked up) a spook. to me, the word spook carries a specific connotation, like a John le Carré novel The FBI's mission has always been to defend the US constitution, so I hope Comey taps into the classic Hollywood FBI agent persona and goes loving raw when he testifies.
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Jun 7, 2017 06:02
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EwokEntourage posted:FBI is domestic law enforcement, not spooks/spies
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Jun 7, 2017 06:04
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EwokEntourage posted:FBI is domestic law enforcement, not spooks/spies FBI is in charge of counter intelligence.
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Jun 7, 2017 06:04
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Stairmaster posted:FBI is in charge of counter intelligence. Domestic counter intelligence. Roll that one around.
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Jun 7, 2017 06:12
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Stairmaster posted:FBI is in charge of counter intelligence. Only domestically as the CIA can't operate inside the US (lmao okay sure)
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Jun 7, 2017 06:13
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mango sentinel posted:He wasn't even law enforcement, he was DoJ. Dude was a prosecuting attorney his whole life prior to heading the FBI. comey was deputy AG Mueller was a lawyer and deputy AG Freeh was a federal district court judge sessions was a federal district court judge webster was a federal judge, then FBI director, then CIA director you gotta go back to Kelly, who was the second appointed FBI director, to get an actual FBI agent as director (Comey was only the 7th director of the FBI) Agency heads often don't come from that agency.
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Jun 7, 2017 06:23
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Stairmaster posted:FBI is in charge of counter intelligence. within the United States, yes. Because spying against the US, within the US, is a crime. The FBI undoubtedly operates as an intelligence agency in certain respects, but it operates in a fundamentally different way. For example, the FBI has to / is supposed to get warrants to monitor communications (even if the FISA court is basically a rubber stamp). The CIA/NSA doesn't get warrants, on the grounds that they (supposedly) don't spy on Americans or within America, etc. quote isn't edit or whatever the gently caress i just did
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Jun 7, 2017 06:26
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Hollismason posted:Didn't this exact sort of situation lead to the Iraq War. https://gifyu.com/images/ddd3a1561a477c098b98c52dfd0a452b9fe48fb4a2a18c1b4a9610bba6c30a49.gif
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Jun 7, 2017 06:26
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EwokEntourage posted:not the uncommon, the last few fbi directors haven''t been career agents. Not like Comey was out there dusting for finger prints
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Jun 7, 2017 06:31
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https://twitter.com/IBTimes/status/871894471990005762 I dunno if there is a big enough  for this headline.
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Jun 7, 2017 06:32
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Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/IBTimes/status/871894471990005762 https://twitter.com/thomas_violence/status/871901640365719552 
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Jun 7, 2017 06:35
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How do they all manage to always look so ugly?
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Jun 7, 2017 06:39
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^^^ If you're ugly inside it eventually just seeps out of your pores.Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/IBTimes/status/871894471990005762 "Are infiltrating" is some interesting grammar there. Really? Present progressive? How about "Have been infiltrating" or "Have infiltrated" or better yet, "Have dominated our law enforcement agencies since the beginning--we just don't wanna call good old boys White Supremacists"? Call a goddamn Jack a Jack.
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Jun 7, 2017 06:40
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Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/IBTimes/status/871894471990005762 That "news" is from 2006.
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Jun 7, 2017 06:44
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As someone pointed out earlier if Qatar just has to eat all of KSA's demands, which basically amount to 'stop having regional or global influence or independent foreign policy to speak of, ' despite their having a US military base really doesn't bode well for global stability right. Combined with us pulling out of Paris it seems like the post-war order is imploding in a matter of months 
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Jesus Christ
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Boon posted:Remember that report a little bit ago that Trump had gone underwater with veterans and service members? This exact issue is the thing that drives that. Many/most veterans have spent time interacting with locals overseas and have done so with much more tact and reverence for differences than the loving President has. Moreover, most have seen good and bad leadership.
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