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divabot posted:We joke about MIRI "cultists", but the "chief architect" of Arbital has just made that rather less amusing. Woah Are we sure this is the same Eric Bruylant?
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Woah I'm not sure involvement in MIRI had anything to do with this attack.
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divabot posted:We joke about MIRI "cultists", but the "chief architect" of Arbital has just made that rather less amusing. None of us were joking? Seriously, MIRI is cultish, CFAR is a cult, and the Rationality movement as a whole is infested with the kinds of people who in any other circumstance would be avoided.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Woah How many 24 year old Eric Bruylants does Berkeley have? I'm betting on one. I'm having trouble confirming but it does seem hard to believe it's another guy.
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SolTerrasa posted:How many 24 year old Eric Bruylants does Berkeley have? I'm betting on one. I'm having trouble confirming but it does seem hard to believe it's another guy. It's hit Rationalist Tumblr. In a post about the Dragon Army cult compound plan, jbeshir noted, after Scott posted there was probably nothing to worry about and you guys are so mean: jbeshir posted:This seems true, but on the topic of correct priors, I would note that the reason the related Accelerator Project to create a rationalist intentional living community is now defunct is because the main person behind it had a mental breakdown, ran off to an AirBNB for a couple of days, then nearly choked a woman to death in a parking lot before stealing and crashing their car, and is currently in jail with no bail on charges of attempted murder. It's a hot topic on Rationalist Tumblr right now. Of course, some have already worked out how to blame those darn SJWs!! 
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divabot posted:It's hit Rationalist Tumblr. In a post about the Dragon Army cult compound plan, jbeshir noted, after Scott posted there was probably nothing to worry about and you guys are so mean: Scott made a shocking claim in there in passing, that men are abused at about the same rate as women, but women are just big scaredy pants ("socialized to fear abuse"). Can anyone figure out how you'd justify or source that claim? It sounds like obvious bullshit, and I hoped that Scott was above that. SolTerrasa has a new favorite as of 09:29 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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lmao, missed this before, one of st_rev's friends: https://twitter.com/Asherahresearch/status/868530109241753600 https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/868530326418595840 https://twitter.com/Asherahresearch/status/868530946957611008 https://twitter.com/Asherahresearch/status/868540460737933314 lmao https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/871497533918396419 https://twitter.com/puellavulnerata/status/871194951085957120 Fututor Magnus has a new favorite as of 12:34 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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So let's ignore for a moment the fact that the whole "transfuse blood from young people" thing doesn't work, is based entirely on a misinterpretation and deliberate misrepresentation of study results and exists solely to extract money from rich idiots, what are you saying you weird lady 
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SolTerrasa posted:Scott made a shocking claim in there in passing, that men are abused at about the same rate as women, but women are just big scaredy pants ("socialized to fear abuse"). Can anyone figure out how you'd justify or source that claim? It sounds like obvious bullshit, and I hoped that Scott was above that. it depends mostly on a very special definition of abuse. for example, "status signalling against low-status males" by feminists or something counts as the worst form of abuse to scott. ate all the Oreos posted:So let's ignore for a moment the fact that the whole "transfuse blood from young people" thing doesn't work, is based entirely on a misinterpretation and deliberate misrepresentation of study results and exists solely to extract money from rich idiots, what are you saying you weird lady "making fun of billionaire vampires is actually the left being tribal and mean, just like conservatives when they go on about abortion. these are totally comparable things surely because tribalism and they're both tribes, or something." Fututor Magnus has a new favorite as of 13:43 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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SolTerrasa posted:Scott made a shocking claim in there in passing, that men are abused at about the same rate as women, but women are just big scaredy pants ("socialized to fear abuse"). Can anyone figure out how you'd justify or source that claim? It sounds like obvious bullshit, and I hoped that Scott was above that. I don't think he's saying women being scaredy pants is part of the statistics, just that it plays a part of the paranoia he's talking about. He's still wrong because even though the numbers are close, when it comes to serious injury and death it goes back to being not very surprising at all that women are hurt a lot more often than men. Anyway, even if Scott is wrong about the objective facts, I think you will find he was just talking about his perception from within his high-trust tribe where people are actually very good and negligibly abusive --- maybe things are different in the other filthy tribes where the minorities and paranoid people and abusers are.
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I'm friendly with the diaspora, but that's mostly possible because I just stop reading anything where I see the word "tribe" or "tribal" (also "status" without further qualifications.) It's an eerily useful heuristic.
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Fututor Magnus posted:it depends mostly on a very special definition of abuse. for example, "status signalling against low-status males" by feminists or something counts as the worst form of abuse to scott. Only when women do it. When any given PUA, free speech activist, or Nydwracist do it he transparently doesn't care.
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ate all the Oreos posted:So let's ignore for a moment the fact that the whole "transfuse blood from young people" thing doesn't work, is based entirely on a misinterpretation and deliberate misrepresentation of study results and exists solely to extract money from rich idiots, what are you saying you weird lady Basically, if you're proposing we're all going to be immortal and have unlimited resources, you should do the second part first, because otherwise the immortal people are going to use too many resources and the immortality isn't going to be fairly distributed. Eventually you'll see committed Leftists launching attacks on the immortals for what to this woman are incomprehensible reasons. She's kind of right, in that the people who are most likely to benefit from longer lives are the people who are likeliest to sell us all out in return for a chance at immortality and that'll need to be dealt with, but it's so far down the road that it's going to be a problem for our grandkids to solve.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Basically, if you're proposing we're all going to be immortal and have unlimited resources, you should do the second part first, because otherwise the immortal people are going to use too many resources and the immortality isn't going to be fairly distributed. Eventually you'll see committed Leftists launching attacks on the immortals for what to this woman are incomprehensible reasons. She's kind of right, in that the people who are most likely to benefit from longer lives are the people who are likeliest to sell us all out in return for a chance at immortality and that'll need to be dealt with, but it's so far down the road that it's going to be a problem for our grandkids to solve. Good thing we're all going to die and our grandchildren will be too busy dealing with ecological disaster.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Basically, if you're proposing we're all going to be immortal and have unlimited resources, you should do the second part first, because otherwise the immortal people are going to use too many resources and the immortality isn't going to be fairly distributed. Eventually you'll see committed Leftists launching attacks on the immortals for what to this woman are incomprehensible reasons. She's kind of right, in that the people who are most likely to benefit from longer lives are the people who are likeliest to sell us all out in return for a chance at immortality and that'll need to be dealt with, but it's so far down the road that it's going to be a problem for our grandkids to solve. if you click over to the comment she's quoting, you'll see she clearly didn't put that much thought in this statement. it's basically an assertion that the left hates peter thiel for tribalist reasonings and that criticism of blood transfusions for immortality from the left is tribalism. it's the defenders of peter thiel who resort to incomprehensible arguments for the most part, like accusations of tribalism or status-signaling because no matter how rich and powerful thiel is, he is still a low-status male and any criticism of him is status-signalling by evil sjws and gawker, or something. e: also,lmao https://twitter.com/etatom/status/870910323720675328 the youth literally selling their blood to the ultra-rich is a form of wealth-transfer. this is what you get when in the discourse welfare is a big evil - unless it's racist bloggers who're benefitting by not having to do actual work and can browse wikipedia on the government dole. Fututor Magnus has a new favorite as of 17:41 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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Fututor Magnus posted:if you click over to the comment she's quoting, you'll see she clearly didn't put that much thought in this statement. it's basically an assertion that the left hates peter thiel for tribalist reasonings and that criticism of blood transfusions for immortality from the left is tribalism. Oh, no, it's fuckier than that though. He's buying it from loving blood donation charities, who traditionally sell to hospitals to recoup expenses for collecting the blood. That's right, the blood you donate to help save an innocent life is instead being used by loving Thiel, for his pseudoscience quackery for millionaires.
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ikanreed posted:Oh, no, it's fuckier than that though. yeah, but the first link is on a start-up which takes blood from teenagers for the express purpose of selling it on to rich people for $8000 a pop, which arguably is a lot better in pr terms than the situation you described. though there's still no evidence whatsoever to conclude that it'll do anything for anti-aging.
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Fututor Magnus posted:yeah, but the first link is on a start-up which takes blood from teenagers for the express purpose of selling it on to rich people for $8000 a pop, which arguably is a lot better in pr terms than the situation you described. though there's still no evidence whatsoever to conclude that it'll do anything for anti-aging. $8K for a session of blood donation is pretty loving amazing tbh, this is a method of scamming the rich I can get behind
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:$8K for a session of blood donation is pretty loving amazing tbh, this is a method of scamming the rich I can get behind as a scammy start-up concept, it's pretty funny, but as an avenue of wealth-transfer from rich old people to poor teenagers, it's even funnier (to think about it as such, not so much in reality) though it's pretty funny how much these rationalists and technolibertarians like thiel (as much as you can like thiel, anyway) and see the need to defend him to the point of defending his blood transfusions
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SolTerrasa posted:Scott made a shocking claim in there in passing, that men are abused at about the same rate as women, but women are just big scaredy pants ("socialized to fear abuse"). Can anyone figure out how you'd justify or source that claim? It sounds like obvious bullshit, and I hoped that Scott was above that. I would say the meaning of that fact isn't "women aren't tough enough," but rather "the patriarchy really does hurt men too, and one of the ways it does so is by making them ashamed to admit they were victims or to report their abuse."
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Do stakes through the heart kill elderly millionaires?
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Cumslut1895 posted:Do stakes through the heart kill elderly millionaires? pretty much everyone, really
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:$8K for a session of blood donation is pretty loving amazing tbh, this is a method of scamming the rich I can get behind
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Neon Noodle posted:You could do this as a fraudulent procedure so easily. Get a phlebotomist to be your accomplice and you could stage it without any blood actually going anywhere. Blood goes out one arm, into some very fancy-looking (but hollowed-out) machinery with lots of blinky LED's that looks like it probably does some Important Science Thing, then right back into the other arm
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Brb getting a black turtleneck and getting ready to pitch HemaTality Inc.
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divabot posted:It's hit Rationalist Tumblr. In a post about the Dragon Army cult compound plan, jbeshir noted, after Scott posted there was probably nothing to worry about and you guys are so mean: There seems to be a belief that t is completely impossible for someone in their club to act in abusive ways because they know what abuse is. It's good that they care about abuse, but i'm somewhat skeptical when the worst abuser I know was for a long time the head of the local less wrong group where I live (a major city).
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Fututor Magnus posted:yeah, but the first link is on a start-up which takes blood from teenagers for the express purpose of selling it on to rich people for $8000 a pop, which arguably is a lot better in pr terms than the situation you described. though there's still no evidence whatsoever to conclude that it'll do anything for anti-aging. There's plenty of evidence for it causing stuff like aneurysms
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A special flashback, in honor of divabot's good writeup of MetaMed: Scott Alexander went hard for MetaMed. quote:...[I] occasionally just listen in on meetings, and it has been so much fun to listen to people who have this ethos that difficult medical questions should be solveable, who don’t make stupid mistakes or take shortcuts trying to solve them... It's just astonishing considering that he actually finished medical school—he of all people should've appreciated how hard medicine actually is. Scott is a man of many, many contradictions.
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Curvature of Earth posted:A special flashback, in honor of divabot's good writeup of MetaMed: Scott Alexander went hard for MetaMed. I mean he works in psychiatry despite clearly believing it's all bullshit aside from prescribing meds.
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Curvature of Earth posted:A special flashback, in honor of divabot's good writeup of MetaMed: Scott Alexander went hard for MetaMed. I like that to him "generating hypotheses" is apparently "pick out the parts of studies that I like"
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Curvature of Earth posted:A special flashback, in honor of divabot's good writeup of MetaMed: Scott Alexander went hard for MetaMed. I mean, look at Ben Carson.
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Skittle Prickle posted:There seems to be a belief that t is completely impossible for someone in their club to act in abusive ways because they know what abuse is. It's good that they care about abuse, but i'm somewhat skeptical when the worst abuser I know was for a long time the head of the local less wrong group where I live (a major city). Obviously you're a mindkilled blue tribe SJW sneer clubber who is misapplying heuristics and
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ate all the Oreos posted:very fancy-looking (but hollowed-out) machinery with lots of blinky LED's that looks like it probably does some Important Science Thing, The technical term for that is a BLU, stands for Blinking Lights Unit.
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Avenging_Mikon posted:The technical term for that is a BLU, stands for Blinking Lights Unit. Yeah I was gonna go with "blinkenlights" but I figured only me and like 2 other dorks would get it 
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ate all the Oreos posted:Yeah I was gonna go with "blinkenlights" but I figured only me and like 2 other dorks would get it You do realize where you're posting, right?
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I often think about contemporary rationalist subculture in context of historical attempts to tear down all the bullshit and rebuild on the basis of sound reason. There's been multiple and they've all failed, but the one that's been on my mind is Descartes. He famously attempted to doubt everything and rebuild up only what he could be absolutely certain of, but while he was doing this he explicitly adopted a principle that he would manage his day to day life as if he was still confident in everyday truths like 'matter exists' and 'I need food to live'. They're good heuristics to avoid disasters even if we can't be philosophically certain of them and must interrogate them in their turn on the quest for truth. You know what's also a good heuristic for daily life, that protects against a disaster? 'Exclude the far right from your communities.'
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"According to this spreadsheet that I pulled out of my rear end, actually racism is good! See, says it right there!" Also I know it's pointless to say but that is not what marxism means you idiot  e: Also also how the hell does the US or the EU have a one-party state ruled by people of color 
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