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Safety Biscuits
Oct 21, 2010

2 hard 2 stomach

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Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

If you're not a communist you're probably a retard.

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Uuuuh! Seek ye me?

pleasecallmechrist posted:

They suffer from a naivety that only a coddled life provides.

- poster in 'Read Some Real Literature' thread.

I'm reading Ballard's Crash right now and I'm disliking it the further I get into the book. I get what it's trying to do but the explicit metaphor between the car crash and sex is so drawn out and rammed into the reader (like a car crashing) ((get it????)) that I'm losing interest in the narrator's constant musings on the stylization of violence and people's bodies.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Foul Fowl posted:

- poster in 'Read Some Real Literature' thread.

I'm reading Ballard's Crash right now and I'm disliking it the further I get into the book. I get what it's trying to do but the explicit metaphor between the car crash and sex is so drawn out and rammed into the reader (like a car crashing) ((get it????)) that I'm losing interest in the narrator's constant musings on the stylization of violence and people's bodies.

the movie is better

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

the movie is better

I didn't get what all the races being different yet the same had to do with car crashes

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Ras Het posted:

I didn't get what all the races being different yet the same had to do with car crashes

It was really weird when Brendan Fraser had sex with Jada Pinkett Smith in that overturned SUV

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

Shibawanko posted:

If you're not a communist you're probably a retard.

i'm both

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

Aesthetics is the only important thing in political ideology so I'm a fascist.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

Are any of the Lem novels other than Solaris good?

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Shibawanko posted:

Are any of the Lem novels other than Solaris good?

Yes

david crosby
Mar 2, 2007

Shibawanko posted:

Are any of the Lem novels other than Solaris good?

yes, you retard. My fave is A Perfect Vacuum, which is really a collection of short stories, but it's so good who cares.

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Memoirs Found in a Bathtub is possibly the most Kafkaesque thing I've ever read that's not actually made by Kafka. It's also hilarious (I mean so is Kafka a lot of the time, but this is more overtly humorous and less nightmarish)

EDIT: I've also read Return from the Stars which is good but not as much as Solaris or Memoirs; I need to read more of his stuff

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

david crosby posted:

yes, you retard. My fave is A Perfect Vacuum, which is really a collection of short stories, but it's so good who cares.

I mean, I really want to read them, I just want to know which ones are best.

My favorite parts of Solaris are just the descriptions of the planet itself and I get why Lem didn't like the Tarkovsky movie for leaving that out. A big theme is the gelatinous wobbliness of the ocean versus the autistic space station.

Shibawanko fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jun 7, 2017

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

i dunno about novels but the cyberiad was real good

Rusty
Sep 28, 2001
Dinosaur Gum
His Master's Voice was good, I also enjoyed Eden and Return From the Stars. I don't think anything is close to Solaris though.

david crosby
Mar 2, 2007

Shibawanko posted:

I mean, I really want to read them, I just want to know which ones are best.

My favorite parts of Solaris are just the descriptions of the planet itself and I get why Lem didn't like the Tarkovsky movie for leaving that out. A big theme is the gelatinous wobbliness of the ocean versus the autistic space station.

That's appropriate because the best parts of the movie are the long shots of the solaris ocean just like mixing around. I haven't read Solaris in a while, did the straight English translation ever get released? the version I read was translated from the French translation of the original Polish for some cool reason...

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

pleasecallmechrist posted:

Pay no attention to these socialists. They suffer from a naivety that only a coddled life provides. Communism is a perverse self-righteous ideology that brings nothing more than oligarchy and poverty. It is not per chance that Marx was a factory owner's son and came up with his something so well intentioned but utterly ignorant. Dude is the OG of white guilt.

Though using the word 'hard read' instead of something like 'hard, to stomach' didn't help your cause.

lol

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

CestMoi posted:

Aesthetics is the only important thing in political ideology so I'm a fascist.

lets blend the best of both worlds and become national bolsheviks

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

A human heart posted:

lets blend the best of both worlds and become national bolsheviks

Has anyone read the main guy's poetry? Old Russian poetry is usually pretty cool but some of the modern stuff I've read kind of sucks.

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

Stanislaw Lem is v good, pretty much the only salvageable author from my teenage bookshelf other than Philip K Dick maybe

also karl marx rules, capitalism ... sucks

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

also thanks for the recs everyone, on this and the islam question from before

WatermelonGun
May 7, 2009
Transit by Rachel Cusk was real good.

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

Posadism is the way and the light.

Cloks
Feb 1, 2013

by Azathoth
I'm almost done listening to Lincoln in the Bardo and I really liked it. It's a powerful portrait of grief and refusing to let go of sorrow. The chapters that are woven together out of contemporaneous accounts are fantastically immersive.

I haven't read anything else by George Saunders but I picked up Tenth of December over the weekend and put it on my long list.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat
i like the bit where the guy repeatedly rolls a pebble down his huge cock

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

I reread Solaris while looking for some more Lem books. It really is loving great. I like how it casually summarises all human intellectual achievement and makes it seem foolish in a single chapter.

The Tarkovsky movie comes off as a simplification at best. The Soderbergh movie should be burned. I don't remember if I ever put the youtube link to the original Russian movie in this thread, so here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1tnAyARsmA
I think I actually like this one. It was made on a tiny budget, i think it was one of those soviet movies that was basically a theatre production with theatre props adapted to film.

Cloks
Feb 1, 2013

by Azathoth

chernobyl kinsman posted:

i like the bit where the guy repeatedly rolls a pebble down his huge cock

I like when he bounces it on his cock. Also the feces covered mirror and the ghost fuckin'.

The Belgian
Oct 28, 2008
Finished the second part of Goethe's Faust. Any book that ends with angels distracting the devil by seducing him with their sexy man rear end is a good book imo.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
That book got pictures?

The Belgian
Oct 28, 2008

Rolo posted:

That book got pictures?
I think lots of people have made illustrations for it in the last 200 years.
http://i.imgur.com/57CSizz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Qizk6AK.jpg
https://youtu.be/UFiiIWRn6qE?t=2m

The Belgian
Oct 28, 2008

quote:

Was ich am meisten besorge: Bettina wird immer geschickter,

Immer beweglicher wird jegliches Gliedchen an ihr;

Endlich bringt sie das Züngelchen noch ins zierliche F ...,

Spielt mit dem artigen Selbst, achtet die Männer nicht viel.

quote:

what bothers me is this:

the way Bettina gets to be so skillful

every limb in her body

grows looser & looser

till she can stick her own little tongue

up her own little oval office

a charmer who tastes her own charms

will soon lose all interest in men.

-Goethe

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

A Hobbit's Adventure
Hi lit thread, do you guys have a preferred translation of Tao Te Ching?

Mover
Jun 30, 2008


smug n stuff posted:

Hi lit thread, do you guys have a preferred translation of Tao Te Ching?

The Gia-fu Feng and Jane English version for the best straightforwardly accurate and clearly written translation, Le Guin for a more poetic, mystical version that takes some liberties but I feel remains faithful to the ideas of the text and is very beautiful.

Whatever you decide, I find it benefits greatly from reading multiple versions due to the nature of Classical Chinese.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

Peel posted:

what are some good books prominently featuring hypocrites and/or narcissists

Benvenuto Cellini's autobiography.

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

smug n stuff posted:

Hi lit thread, do you guys have a preferred translation of Tao Te Ching?

Aleister Crowley :henget:

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat

The Belgian posted:

I think lots of people have made illustrations for it in the last 200 years.
http://i.imgur.com/57CSizz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Qizk6AK.jpg
https://youtu.be/UFiiIWRn6qE?t=2m

i cant jerk off to any of these

Safety Biscuits
Oct 21, 2010

chernobyl kinsman posted:

i cant jerk off to any of these

bro are you even trying

smug n stuff posted:

Hi lit thread, do you guys have a preferred translation of Tao Te Ching?

Used D.C. Lau's at university, but wasn't blown away with it.

Cloks
Feb 1, 2013

by Azathoth
Headed to the Strand bookstore in NYC today. I was planning on getting 4 3 2 1 by Paul Auster, October by China Mieville and The Vegetarian by Han Kang. Any notable new books I should look for?

Mr. Squishy
Mar 22, 2010

A country where you can always get richer.
Didn't everyone hate 4321?

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Antwan3K
Mar 8, 2013

Cloks posted:

Headed to the Strand bookstore in NYC today. I was planning on getting 4 3 2 1 by Paul Auster, October by China Mieville and The Vegetarian by Han Kang. Any notable new books I should look for?

Autumn by Ali Smith imo (not super new)

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