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Tony Montana posted:No, I disagree. It's not incompetence so much as culture. That's another part of it, they do it their way which is often nothing like the way a UK or US team and they still get results. Part of it is a lot of what I've said here, there is so much passion and emotion and history in Ferrari there can be a problem with groupthink and sticking your neck out. Also personal culture, Italians talk to each other differently to English speakers and that would translate into how they make decisions on a raceday and sure, sometimes you see them do something that makes you scratch your head. They also believe in letting stray dogs run around the engine shop.
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I think part of why Ferrari endures today is because they happened to pick up Schumi at the perfect time, re-establishing the team, and, most importantly, the brand again.
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Jun 8, 2017 02:22
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The Scud is backed by a large company.
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Ferrari: 8 WCCs since 1998, wow, that's really good. Incredibly Well Run Team McLaren Which Is Definitely Not An Incompetent Fraud Organization: 0 WCCs since 1998, wow, poor.
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Jun 8, 2017 02:24
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Race-winning technology hilariously stolen from Ferrari: McLaren: 1 Ferrari: 0
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goddamn you are my people edit: I don't think so Io. Ferrari has no problem losing like gently caress and being terrible for long rear end stretches at a time, I assure you as a fan lol. Just when have they ever said 'well poo poo unless we start winning races and have a decent chance at the WDC we're going to leave because really.. this is all just business to us, gently caress Formula One'
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McLaren in 2006: 0 wins, poor year. McLaren in 2007 and 2008 after stealing all of Ferrari's brilliant race winning secrets: Lots of wins, wow. No wonder Lewis looked so good.
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Jun 8, 2017 02:26
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Tony Montana posted:goddamn you are my people The most severe possible indictment of a poster's quality.
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Tony Montana posted:goddamn you are my people No
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why doesn't wicka have the tag? he didn't ask for it? wicka please dont be poo poo we need solidarity here oh hey, Professional Kart Racer 1500quid, where are your seats this year for the GP? Will you be posting some pictures from the stands like I did for the Aussie GP? Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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Jun 8, 2017 03:23
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marsisol posted:Anyone going to Montreal this year? I was going to but I'm getting married instead. We got engaged in Montreal so now I'll have an excuse to go to every race weekend for our anniversary as long as it stays in June. Maybe next year. We're still talking about moving there.
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Jun 8, 2017 03:29
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Tony Montana posted:oh hey, Professional Kart Racer 1500quid, where are your seats this year for the GP? Will you be posting some pictures from the stands like I did for the Aussie GP? No sadly I blew all my money on production equipment for my YouTube beer reviews.
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Jun 8, 2017 03:31
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When was the last time you saw a F1 race in person?
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2014.
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I'm going to Montreal.
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1500quidporsche posted:No sadly I blew all my money on production equipment for my YouTube beer reviews. This was funny Tony Montana posted:goddamn you are my people I bet management 100% has an issue with losing like gently caress and being terrible for long rear end stretches of time
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Jun 8, 2017 04:00
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Tony Montana posted:When was the last time you saw a F1 race in person? Never and not planning on it anytime soon.
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1500quidporsche posted:Never and not planning on it anytime soon. Go to Mexico with me next year so I can pretend to be Canadian
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Norns posted:Go to Mexico with me next year so I can pretend to be Canadian Let's all go to Austin and party with JT
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Norns posted:Go to Mexico with me next year so I can pretend to be Canadian This would work up until the national anthem where I get arrested.
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1500quidporsche posted:Never and not planning on it anytime soon. Yep. GramCracker posted:I bet management 100% has an issue with losing like gently caress and being terrible for long rear end stretches of time I do too. But it's not like we'll leave
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Jun 8, 2017 04:13
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Ferrari has had more team managers than drivers.
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Jun 8, 2017 04:35
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Counterpoint: Both Ferrari drivers are ex-World Champions and both loving legends. No drat junior drives the red car
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Tony Montana posted:Counterpoint: Both Ferrari drivers are ex-World Champions and both loving legends. No drat junior drives the red car Kimi is only legendary in the sense that people tell tales about the times he was awake long enough to win a race.
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Cactrot posted:Kimi is only legendary in the sense that people tell tales about the times he was awake long enough to win a race. What about the times he shat and are ice cream
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GramCracker posted:What about the times he shat and are ice cream If this was all anyone would ever say about me for 10 years I'd kill myself
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Kimi is 38 years old. Lewis is barely out of his 20s and Seb is still in them. The last world champion that had a comeback was the late, great MSC and he sucked. Kimi did not suck, he drove the wheels off that Lotus and kept that whole shitshow going for far longer than it should. Last race, Kimi out-qualified and then fought (a bit) with the greatest driver of the modern generation, Sebastian Vettel. Legend. As for Sebastian, four times WDC. We have this cool thing in F1 where winning WDCs are really hard and you can perhaps fluke one or even two but someone who has won three or more is legit, period. Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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Jun 8, 2017 05:08
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What about Jochen Rindt?
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I don't know enough about Rindt to comment properly. (ITS NEVER STOPPED YOU BEFORE TONY LOLOL)
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djssniper posted:If you havn't watched 'Closer to the Edge' you need to This took me down a rabbit hole. These dudes are insane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFqJ3p3L0rI
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Tony Montana posted:I don't know enough about Rindt to comment properly. He died before things wrapped up and his opponent literally lost to a dead guy.
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Wirth1000 posted:He died before things wrapped up and his opponent literally lost to a dead guy. Wasn't that Jackie Stewart and didn't he have some crippling stomach problem towards the end of that year that hosed him up really badly? I'm going from memory here but I vaguely recall something about it in his autobiography.
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Carth Dookie posted:Wasn't that Jackie Stewart and didn't he have some crippling stomach problem towards the end of that year that hosed him up really badly? I'm going from memory here but I vaguely recall something about it in his autobiography. He beat piece of human garbage Jacky Ickx after dying at Monza.
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I know that much, I saw one of the docos and his poor wife. She is still shattered from it. She was this gorgeous blonde, much like Barry Sheene's wife, and Rindt's death broke her. The interview was in her lounge room with the WDC trophy displayed on the wall behind her and the open contempt toward it from her was palpable. But for how much of a legend he was, I don't know. What epic battles can you cite? You've gotta kinda pull up some sticking it up Alain Prost's rear end or something like I did for AJ to claim that status if you've only got the one WDC. edit: oh a quick check and it's not quite fair to Barry's wife to put Nina up there, but she was still a very attractive woman. Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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Tony Montana posted:I know that much, I saw one of the docos and his poor wife. She is still shattered from it. She was this gorgeous blonde, much like Barry Sheene's wife, and Rindt's death broke her. The interview was in her lounge room with the WDC trophy displayed on the wall behind her and the open contempt toward it from her was palpable. She was high as balls basically permanently for a long time afterwards by her own admission. quote:But for how much of a legend he was, I don't know. What epic battles can you cite? Rindt vs Monza's guard rail. I admit I don't know 60s/70s F1 super well, but I get the distinct impression Rindt was elevated in common opinion above his actual ability posthumously.
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Just looking at Rindt's career, it's kinda hard to tell. He was only sorta competitive until 1969, when he joined Lotus. On the other hand, it's still impressive that you can die with 4 races left and have three retirements and a non-points finish among 9 races, and still win the championship. Edit: I guess he ran a good race in the 1970 Monaco GP.
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Tony really hates the uk for some reason, definitely a normal rational person who can't stop mentioning how he hates an entire nation every other post.
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track day bro! posted:Tony really hates the uk for some reason, definitely a normal rational person who can't stop mentioning how he hates an entire nation every other post. Also the USA
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I entered this thread saying this stuff, mate. Don't try and pull the race card and try to generate some outrage, surely people are getting wise to that poo poo now. I'm talking about Formula One and what I am saying is what Enzo said before he died. It's common knowledge the English rode the post WW2 era with all the aerodynamicists they had from building aircraft for the war. Italy never had that level of sophistication. Engine design stagnated, so crate engines were a thing and Enzo's lead in engine building withered as aero technology became more and more important in F1 car design. He kept trying with crazy V12s and stuff, but eventually the crate Cosworth you could buy was just as good and you didn't have 5 guys who came from building Spitfires to help you design wings. This was F1 for a long time and up until the hybrid engine era. Turbos came and went pretty quickly, as did other fancy things, but that aero advantage lasted a long time. The party is now over and it's a turning point in the history of the sport. Are you really a Ferrari fan if you don't get any of this? edit: hey I dont hate the USA at all, just don't start telling me about your indycars and how they are real things edit2: oh poo poo, maybe you don't understand. This is what a really international sport looks like. The American World Series of Baseball held entirely in America is not an international sport. This is what happens when for many decades countries are pitted directly against each other, they grow followings and draw conclusions. I lived in London for quite a while. I've not been to the US yet, but it's certainly on my list. One of my best friends is a researcher at Berkeley. My comments are about F1 and F1 only. Have you ever heard football (real football, what the world calls football, in the US and in my country they call it soccer) fans talk during the World Cup? Surely it would make your ears bend Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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