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What are Red Scorps made from? Terran Marines where brought up with Emperor first and some had done their share of fighting even before the Primarchs were discovered. That goes for Garro and the Half-Heard. Dunno about Saul Tarvitz. However, there loyalists among traitors and traitors among loyalists. loving Luther was DA with El'Johnson from day one. Treason is not genetic. ...of course, this is GW and treason will get to be genetic as soon as they feel the need to make Primaris CSM.
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JcDent posted:What are Red Scorps made from? No one knows. Their seed is so pure that they don't trust other marines and flip their loving wigs at the slightest sign of deviancy, but they also pack a shitload of psykers.
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Jun 8, 2017 06:08
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I just know that they're inquisitorial butt monkeys and that they used to get apothecary sarges for free, which is super awesome. If only I wasn't such a snowflake that doubled down on collecting a single homebrew chapter...
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Jun 8, 2017 06:20
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JBP posted:No one knows. Their seed is so pure that they don't trust other marines and flip their loving wigs at the slightest sign of deviancy, but they also pack a shitload of psykers. Hmm let's take a quick look at the Forgeworld website... Ok cool a Land Raider Achilles, it's Imperial Fists and it's even got the Roman numeral VII on it!  Now let me click on the Horus Heresy tab and check out this Land Raider Armored Proteus. Oh cool, it's Red Scorpions! What's that Roman numeral they've got there...  ...oh. welp
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Jun 8, 2017 06:34
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That's just because it's the second land raider they had made... or something.
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Jun 8, 2017 06:48
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The two expunged legions were removed because of their primarchs, not the soldiers themselves, and the Ultramarines experienced a large increase in numbers at the time.
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Jun 8, 2017 07:01
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MonsterEnvy posted:Though in this case they would not be pre disposed towards things as there is no primarch or veterans. They would also be fleet based as they would not have a homeworld. In this stupid hypothetical scenario the neophytes or whatever that were preselected for the Primaris were plants from the get go.
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Jun 8, 2017 07:50
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JBP posted:An assault squad executes a perfect jump and lands in a position that will allow them tactical advantage in a coming ambush. 2 minutes later a hairy man with a jetpack strapped to his back (unused) kicks in the front door howling like a lunatic, starts fist fighting a bunch of cultists and yelling "get down here you pasty jetpack bitches, aroooohahaha!" 
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Jun 8, 2017 11:26
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I have to say, bringing in loyalist legionaries from the heretic legions is pretty neat for wargamers, because you get a host of new livery and strategy options. I for one dig War Hounds, Pale Nomads and Lunar Wolves tearing up poo poo for the emps 
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Jun 8, 2017 11:38
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JBP posted:Can you explain this? No-one's actually figured out if they're Loyalists or Traitors yet.
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Jun 8, 2017 12:51
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Yeah I know I thought there was some other thing going on since all the primaris marines from traitor legions sound a tad dicey.
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Jun 8, 2017 13:29
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Tias posted:I have to say, bringing in loyalist legionaries from the heretic legions is pretty neat for wargamers, because you get a host of new livery and strategy options. I for one dig War Hounds, Pale Nomads and Lunar Wolves tearing up poo poo for the emps Pale Nomads? You already have space sharks.
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Jun 8, 2017 13:54
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JcDent posted:Pale Nomads? You already have space sharks. I guess, but in general we just got a bunch of new skinning options.
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Jun 8, 2017 13:57
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Tias posted:I guess, but in general we just got a bunch of new skinning options. AFAIK, pre-Primarch legions were all gray!
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Jun 8, 2017 14:20
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I want to see the Ecclesiarchy try to get more creative about the decree passive. Something more than just the Sororitas and the Ecclesiarchy Battle Eunuchs. Like, adding a male staffed air wing to support the Sororitas because "Well obviously the weapon mounts are below the cockpit, and the decree says nothing about men over arms. Heh, checkm-"   Inverted flying is heresy, of course.
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Jun 8, 2017 14:20
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Telsa Cola posted:Alpha Legion's entire deal is that they infiltrate places where no one expects them too. Its likely GW will go that route and have a portion of the alpha legion primaris defect or whatever. He said Blood Ravens, not angels, the snowflake chapter created for the Dawn of War games, and my personal favorite since I'm a helpless fanboy. It has been all but confirmed that the Blood Ravens are descended from the Thousand Sons, given their high number of psykers despite the fact they recruit from multiple worlds, and that their color scheme is near identical to pre- heresy Sons. There is also a precognitive in the H.H. book Thousand Sons that talks about the future of the sons and "Ravens of Blood". Ahriman takes this to mean the Corvidae sect he is part of, but many read it to be a nod to the Blood Ravens. I assume the "worked out well" jab is in reference to the chapter's recent history, which includes their long lost chief libaraian/chapter master Kiras being rediscovered after having been possessed by a daemon. Who then turned like half the chapter and set up an elaborate plot to have the sector exterminatused as a sacrifice to Khorne to become a daemon Prince, of Khorne. The psyker chapter master. Now the barely held together shredded body of Gabriel Angelos is in charge, marking the first time in chapter history the master is not also the chief librarian.
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Jun 8, 2017 17:02
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Alpha Legion Primaris are going to have an ever harder time infiltrating than normal Alpha Legion does. Because they are even taller than the already tall Space Marines.
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Jun 8, 2017 17:37
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The Blood Ravens, or, "Why we don't make Librarians the Chapter Master."
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Jun 8, 2017 18:56
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Seemed to work okay up until they gave the job to dude who'd been lost on a Space Hulk for a thousand years.
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Jun 8, 2017 18:59
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Thanks for the help with my game, am going with the "Penal/War world on the brink of warcollapse, charismatic general to investigate for heresy is a democrat" venue  Also, is there a thread for black library/40K fiction? I'm selling out and getting rid of most of my paper novels on the cheap.
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Jun 8, 2017 19:42
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Tias posted:Also, is there a thread for black library/40K fiction? I'm selling out and getting rid of most of my paper novels on the cheap. There is indeed. Currently in the middle of a slapfight about women representation in the setting, though.
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Jun 8, 2017 19:57
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Cythereal posted:There is indeed. Currently in the middle of a slapfight about women representation in the setting, though. The dumbest loving derail which is why I'm here. Speaking of Ahriman I've seriously enjoyed his trilogy. Any mention of him in the new fluff? Seems lie everyone's getting in on the apocalypse party E: also what was the resolution to War Zone Fenris and all the wulfen comin back
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Waroduce posted:The dumbest loving derail which is why I'm here. Speaking of Ahriman I've seriously enjoyed his trilogy. Any mention of him in the new fluff? Seems lie everyone's getting in on the apocalypse party IIRC, Fenris went kablooie and Ahriman and Magnus are besties again.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:33
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Rockopolis posted:Seemed to work okay up until they gave the job to dude who'd been lost on a Space Hulk for a thousand years. Or the fact that he was going to make a huge sacrifice to Khorne, who really loves psykers 
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Jun 8, 2017 20:37
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Werix posted:He said Blood Ravens, not angels, the snowflake chapter created for the Dawn of War games, and my personal favorite since I'm a helpless fanboy. Yeah I made a typo. Funny how both have had a civil war. But that just proves my point further, being founded from a traitor legion that early on means your chance of corruption is equal to any other loyalist chapter.
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Jun 8, 2017 20:40
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Telsa Cola posted:Yeah I made a typo. Funny how both have had a civil war. But that just proves my point further, being founded from a traitor legion that early on means your chance of corruption is equal to any other loyalist chapter. Not to mention the Grey Knights themselves are from a traitor legion.
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Cythereal posted:Not to mention the Grey Knights themselves are from a traitor legion. Not just one, are they?
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Tias posted:Not just one, are they? The current Heresy books suggest they're mostly or entirely drawn from Death Guard geneseed because the Death Guard to date has had the largest number of loyalists reach Terra. The founders who would become the Grey Knights included loyalist members of every traitor legion, but it's as yet unknown if their geneseed was taken.
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Cythereal posted:IIRC, Fenris went kablooie and Ahriman and Magnus are besties again. Fenris is still around. For other new fluff Ahriman now hates Ynnari Eldar as when they got into a battle Webway their leader Yvraine showed off the power of her god by reversing the Rubric spell and restoring three Rubric Marines. Overcome with this Ahriman agreed to let them pass and wanted their help in the future to restore all of the Thousand Sons. However once Yvraine was let through she backstabbed him and killed the restored Thousand Sons. Ahriman is likely to hold a grudge from this. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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Cythereal posted:The current Heresy books suggest they're mostly or entirely drawn from Death Guard geneseed because the Death Guard to date has had the largest number of loyalists reach Terra. The founders who would become the Grey Knights included loyalist members of every traitor legion, but it's as yet unknown if their geneseed was taken. Severian (A Luna Wolf) was picking dudes from all over for the Knights-Errant, I think it's just that the novels seem to follow Garro. I think it current canon that while the founding of the Grey Knights was from the Knights Errant that the geneseed they went forward with using is still the Emperor-derived one?
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Jun 8, 2017 21:48
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MonsterEnvy posted:Fenris is still around. Ha! Owned.
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Ahriman actually managed to bring one of the Rubricae back to life before his counter-rubric was hijacked by Magnus in order to put himself back together. That one success means he's willing to do basically anything to fix his mistakes, and Tzeentch loves him for it.
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MonsterEnvy posted:This extract taking from the main game thread. It's part of Guilliman's meeting with Cawl. (Or to be correct Cawl's totally not an AI that has the same knowledge and thoughts processes as Cawl.) About how Cawl wants to bring in loyalist Primaris marines from the traitor legions (And lost legions). I can't really fault the logic of the Mechanicus here and Rowboat is a big baby for making the traitor legion geneseed off limits. Cawl should totally ignore his rear end.
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Werix posted:I can't really fault the logic of the Mechanicus here and Rowboat is a big baby for making the traitor legion geneseed off limits. Cawl should totally ignore his rear end. The main reason Guilliman is probably against it is because it would be unpopular among the masses of the Imperium. And he would not want something like that undermining his efforts. (Same reason he closed library at Ultramar because he knows there were records of the Imperium secondus there and does not want that to undermine him.) It's kind of the same case with most things Cawl. As he also wants Guilliman to make him Fabricator General. And Guilliman not wanting disorder is is primary reason for refusing to do this for Cawl as Cawl is a well known radical and an Admech Heretek. So he refuses to give Cawl what he wants there as he feels the Admech would schism and go into civil war over that.
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Will Gillyman update his Big Book of War? Civil wars breaking out over whether to accept the revised Codex would be a good plot hook.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Will Gillyman update his Big Book of War? Civil wars breaking out over whether to accept the revised Codex would be a good plot hook. He is making some revisions. Though it has not been stated exactly what they are yet. He has introduced an 11th company into the Ultramarines for example. He also is writing a new book the Codex Imperialis which is pretty much going to be a Codex Astartes on civil society and good governance. The compilation of the Imperium's (accurate as he can get it) history is going to be part of the book.
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Though the books make sure to point out that Guilliman is not perfect. Hell even some of his Primaris Marines are willing to criticize him.   
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Cythereal posted:The current Heresy books suggest they're mostly or entirely drawn from Death Guard geneseed because the Death Guard to date has had the largest number of loyalists reach Terra. The founders who would become the Grey Knights included loyalist members of every traitor legion, but it's as yet unknown if their geneseed was taken. Interesting. If it's just regular gene-seed, then their claim of having no fallen members becomes even more impressive! Also I love Death Guard, so
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Werix posted:I can't really fault the logic of the Mechanicus here and Rowboat is a big baby for making the traitor legion geneseed off limits. Cawl should totally ignore his rear end. Cawl probably will, and GW will use that as a pretense to
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