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Bacarruda posted:We can sling-load it under a heavy-lift helicopter. It'd be easy enough to borrow one from the Russians or the Japanese. And there are loads of old Skyrcranes up in the oil fields here. Skycranes wouldn't be able to lift it if it's truck bound, it's going to weigh at least 20 tons. The only thing that might be able to do it is the Mi-26.
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Yooper, question: if we convince the sub to surrender by surrounding it with active sonobuoys, can we have Cobbie and his band drop in via helicopter to act as a prize crew?
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Jun 8, 2017 04:12
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Subhunting because we can't lose another fishing boat, the french bote probably isn't even worth the missiles we used to kill them. Snekdancer is my second if we do runoff.
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Jun 8, 2017 04:20
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Free BOTE? We shouldn't look a gift bote in the porthole, and it could be helpful in subhunting and blowing up nasty mambas later.
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Jun 8, 2017 04:20
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Dagon posted:Free BOTE? We shouldn't look a gift bote in the porthole, and it could be helpful in subhunting and blowing up nasty mambas later. Nah, they're pretty much worthless if we're not shooting missiles at other botes, and even then we've better options.
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Jun 8, 2017 04:23
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Snek quest That radar would be good, and we can sell the mamba OR save it for a rainy day when stuff goes completely off the wall.
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Jun 8, 2017 04:33
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Subhunting and if possible Snake quest, but the subhunt goes first. It's crucial.
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Jun 8, 2017 04:37
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Snake Quest DSV, the award-winning hit of 2027, was based on the dual mission of hunting this sub and the attack on the Mamba site on St. Lawrence Island.
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Jun 8, 2017 04:39
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Quinntan posted:Nah, they're pretty much worthless if we're not shooting missiles at other botes, and even then we've better options. Please name one better free boat option. We could totally do the ground mission if we hand bought the Hinds. Drop off some roughed up mercs (Hinds are a cramped ride) and then poo poo rockets at anything that moves. Chuck an ATGM at the Mambe while you're at it. Strafe outhouses with the MG. As for the draining of plane reserves... let the high end plane market exhaust itself like it was WW3 week 1 and see mothball stuff come out/get Bandito n Co seize Chinese Fishbed manufacturing. Mig-21s for days.
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Jun 8, 2017 05:10
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BOTE because bote! The Mamba is super expensive to use, the radar would be nice but eh - also we'd need to land the cargo plane to take it, while the ship can deliver itself! The submarine is too difficult right now with only one MPA, but if we get a boat with sonar AND some more awesome planes then its  all aboard for the 
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Jun 8, 2017 05:18
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Letting the Sub live is a good way to get at least one more factory ship killed. If we loose any more, Mitsuhashi is going to be PISSED. Also, the boats are all loving worthless. Only the Premier has SAMs, and those are MANPADs. It's also stuck with Exocet 2s, so it only has a 36 nm strike range. The Ex-German boat has Exocet 1s, which have around 26 nm. The PT boats don't even have that. None of them have a Sonar worth mentioning. They are all completely useless as part of our line up, pure and simple. And this problem doesn't stop there. In CMANO, every ship displacing less than 2000 tons is an overpriced death trap with few exceptions. Below this line, all DB offerings are nothing more than over engineered customs enforcement vessels with extreme delusions of grandeur. Just having 4 or 8 SSMs doesn't cut it any more. Even the Sjolds, with their NSMs, were borderline. The Norwegian military dumped them the moment they could because it's cheaper and more effective to have those same missiles be launched from two or four fighters. This includes the cost of the fighters. Boats are simply non-viable on the current battlefield. They are just too small to have enough capabilities to be actually relevant. If we do capture one, it would be a better option to sell it off and use the money buy a new plane. If we actually tried to use it, it would be sunk in very short order. DL;DR: Boats worth having and boats that are within our price range are mutually exclusive categories. Boats that can survive on their own without support are even more so.
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Jun 8, 2017 05:31
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I'm leaning towards subhunting Mamba also tempting, even at destroy not steal. But we are here to protect the ships Plus I wanna try coordinating with other forces again, and we will with the Dutch
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Jun 8, 2017 05:36
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I agree on subhunting. It's the most relevant to our employer and offers the best payoff. Plus we can be strategic in what assets we use.
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Jun 8, 2017 05:40
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Subhunting Best risk/reward ratio we can get. Going for the snek means saddling ourselves with a SAM launcher we can't afford to use. An FAC is a bad place to start with botes. If we even should.
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Jun 8, 2017 05:45
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Primary voting for subhunting with secondary vote of Snake. The boat doesnt seem really useful. IF we steal the SAM we couldn't afford a few braces of missiles so we'd sell it, and whiel the radar looks amazing it's a bit big to haul with us otherwise and generally we have on-site radar support to a degree so there's not as much need for it. So, subhunting. Lets us catch up on maintenance, doesn't require ton of planes, lets our bosses go with 'deescalate' as they asked, gives is a bonus payment and lets Jack sober up.
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Jun 8, 2017 06:02
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Killing the sub would absolutely be a great get for us, I definitely acknowledge that.
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Jun 8, 2017 06:06
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Subhunting, if not I say we step on snek.
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Jun 8, 2017 06:06
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If the BNC botes do sortie, we can safely throw Sea Eagles at them from outside of effective Mamba intercept range. I don't have the exact numbers, but I'd say the Mamba has trouble protecting ships more than 30 nm away. None of those botes have any kind of CIWS, and only the Premier has SAMs. Those SAM can attempt to shoot down missiles, but it only has 8 of them, and remember the low crew skill. The Premier is also the only one that's not a guarantied one shot, but a follow up attack would be trivial. Honestly, the Doorman's outclass them by a hilarious degree, and can almost certainly take care of them themselves. But that would also give them the destructobux, which I think we can say are more entitled to after the last mission. Reguardless of what mission wins, having half the Tornadoes on standby with Sea Eagles is just a nice idea.
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Jun 8, 2017 06:11
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Jun 8, 2017 06:40
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Are we doing anything about the girl? Can we have jack reach out to have BSNC identify remains? It'd be worth a finders free to pay them for the remains return. Related: can we bargain with BSNC to be non aggressive while they deal with Iceberg first? Something like a mutual no fly zone?
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Jun 8, 2017 06:51
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Subhunting The sooner that mystery sub is out of theater, the better. Stealing the Mamba is pointless because we flat out cannot afford the cash money to utilize it to full potential. The radar system is nice though, but it'd be drat near impossible to steal it unless the environment was already so permissive that we wouldn't need an entire op for it.
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Jun 8, 2017 07:15
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"Don't enter our turf, and you won't eat an Meteor or a Sea Eagle. If you go after Iceberg, we will show the curtsy of not immediately finishing you off, and will instead wait to be specifically ordered to do so by Tokyo. If you kill Nugent, remember to snap some humiliating selfies with his corpse."
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Jun 8, 2017 07:16
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Subhunting. Stealing the Mamba would be fun just for the challenge of getting it off St. Lawrence Island but the bote isn't worth it. Can we send Cobbie after the sub? Catching the sub at port or forcing it to surface and then boarding it is probably the best bet if we assume that the missing princess might be aboard.
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omegasgundam posted:
This brings up a question for Yooper: If we have planes sitting on standby and don't end up flying them, can we use them next mission? I would expect that they don't need the extra maintenance in that case. Anta fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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Jun 8, 2017 07:24
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I'm changing my vote. Subhunting because we're under contract, but I really want to steal stuff still
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Jun 8, 2017 08:29
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Snake? SNAKE!!! so snakedancer for me, just to show of!
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Jun 8, 2017 08:30
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Grrr...Sub hunt may be the most strategic option, but I can't bring myself to vote to inflict Awfully Slow Warfare on the stream watchers.
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Jun 8, 2017 08:40
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Getting rid of the sub now means we don't have to deal with it on later missions. It means not having to have a bunch of planes on standby with depth charges just in case it goes in, or have to worry on having ships we're escorting blasted. It also gives a (hopeful) big payout in turn we can use to buy more planes later on and have to refill our emergency reserve of cash. Also subhunting means it's possible that Yooper will be going through like four or five beers over it to pass the time while nothing happens which hopefully will be epic.
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Yooper will most likely find some way to speed up the sub hunt. Or at least give the goons something else to do to minimize downtime. I hope that the CEOs daughter will be involved somehow. Corp CEO favourite child turns eco-terrorist pirate captain is cyberpunk as gently caress. 
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Bacarruda posted:
In a nutshell, yes. Once Cobbie has secured the site our aircraft would have to prevent any reinforcements arriving from the surrounding area. POOR IMPULSE CONTROL will likely get quite angry that we are trying to steal their poo poo. Cobbie has enough forces to handle one site, but not both. Not saying we can't missile the other one. During this mission the processing ships are in harbor for further rework. Some trawlers may be operational though.
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Jun 8, 2017 12:05
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Subhunt, it's the biggest threat to
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Jun 8, 2017 12:48
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I like that this is a dilemma! Mamba pros: remove mamba threat. gain mamba threat (maybe). gain powerful radar (maybe). possible loving awesome commando raid. Mamba cons: high risk. possession of mamba may induce attacks/force use (-$). opportunity cost of sub (big threat + -$). opportunity cost of bote (threat + boteless hell). Sub pros: ca$h option. happy employers. major threat eliminated. naval stuff is cool and big part of CMANO. Sub cons: tough with minimal ASW resources. opportunity cost of mamba (threat). opportunity cost of bote. no rad commando raid (this might be worse than hell). Bote pros: free bote! bonkers commando raid (frogmans)! Bote cons: opportunity cost of sub. opportunity cost of mamba/mamba shoots down our poo poo straight away.
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Jun 8, 2017 12:53
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Subhunting as my first choice, Bote second in the event of a tie, Mamba third.
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The Voice of Cobbie came up with a really great idea in regards to future missions. I'm going to work in video cutscenes depending on contingencies. Or maybe Audio Cutscenes would be the better way to word it. So mid-mission, live in the stream, we'll get audio updates from our folks in the field. Voting is looking good, be sure to ask any questions or voice concerns.
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Yooper posted:The Voice of Cobbie came up with a really great idea in regards to future missions. I'm going to work in video cutscenes depending on contingencies. Or maybe Audio Cutscenes would be the better way to word it. So mid-mission, live in the stream, we'll get audio updates from our folks in the field. This LP gets better and better... and props to the goons who've taken up their pens, too! I'm going to plump for sub hunting.
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Jun 8, 2017 14:14
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The sub is the best thing to try to take for ourselves because it's the thing we can least afford to buy. To put it in perspective, we can probably get three respectable frigates and a replenishment ship for about the same price as a single decent modern sub.
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Jun 8, 2017 14:31
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While I would totally love to jack a submarine, how do you propose we get the thing to surface and surrender? Glare at it really hard? All we have is sonobouys and four torpedoes, not a great load to fire warning shots with.
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