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Calaveron posted:Also that one time he beat Flamelord or whatever that one guy's name is, who is a herald of Galactus and hence a Big loving Deal Firelord. Amazing Spider-Man 270 Prior to this he had a building dropped on him (due for demolition) and had him stand in an exploding gas station. Still, though... 
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prefect posted:I've done it before, but I'm going to do it again. Spider-Man in the original Secret Wars. Goddamn, I loving love Spider-Man.
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Jun 8, 2017 23:27
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Hulk Smash! posted:Firelord. Amazing Spider-Man 270 Shouldn't his suit be peeling off of him and trying to run away at that kind of proximity to a man who is literally on fire
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See, I liked the one from, I think Marvel Adventures? The one Clevinger wrote? Where they're up against some ludicrous threat and Spidey rattles off a workable plan, everyone kind of gawps at him and he says "No-one seems to remember that I'm also really, really smart."
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Phy posted:See, I liked the one from, I think Marvel Adventures? The one Clevinger wrote? Where they're up against some ludicrous threat and Spidey rattles off a workable plan, everyone kind of gawps at him and he says "No-one seems to remember that I'm also really, really smart." That was Jeff Parker.  Marvel Adventures Avengers #11
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Jun 8, 2017 23:58
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You know there were just a bunch of pages posted of spiderman being good at everything and everyone being amazed at how cool and awesome he is and he's also funny and poo poo talks everyone all the time. If he was anyone other than spiderman he'd be insufferable.
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Jun 9, 2017 00:15
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Spider-man can be pretty insufferable yeah. The fire lord fight is probably the worst as it's just SM winning through brute strength. Which is dumb.
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Glagha posted:You know there were just a bunch of pages posted of spiderman being good at everything and everyone being amazed at how cool and awesome he is and he's also funny and poo poo talks everyone all the time. If he was anyone other than spiderman he'd be insufferable. Yeah, it helps that we know he's had some pretty bad things happen to him and he's totally guilt-ridden and dedicated to being a good guy. You don't have to worry that he's a gigantic rear end in a top hat for real.
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Jun 9, 2017 00:20
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It's the Tao of superheroes: the power fantasy sours unless the characters continually convince us that they're somehow deserving.
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Glagha posted:You know there were just a bunch of pages posted of spiderman being good at everything and everyone being amazed at how cool and awesome he is and he's also funny and poo poo talks everyone all the time. If he was anyone other than spiderman he'd be insufferable. He's tempered with Parker having the worst loving luck and most of the time barely scraping by with the skin of his teeth so the writers being given permission to have him cut loose and indulge in Spidey kicking loving rear end is always welcomed.
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And I mean his basic skill set is pretty horrific to have to fight: He's effectively psychic, super strong and fast, and can stick to walls [Sometimes the webs are an innate part of the deal, sometimes not]. That only is enough to ruin like 90% of the Marvel Universe flat out. On top of that he's a genius inventor and generally fires off a ton of liquid steel cables at whim. And while all that is going on? He's dunking on you like the smarmiest New York rear end in a top hat stereotype in all of creation. Honest to God forget about psychotic hatred, I'm surprised they haven't just had Norman kill himself to get away from it all.
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Jun 9, 2017 00:23
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prefect posted:I've done it before, but I'm going to do it again. Spider-Man in the original Secret Wars. I don't know, all I read into these in particular and that Superman page is "You're powerful, but I'm established A-list!!!" and it comes off as unintentionally obnoxious and very lame. Like,  This was way better, because it's concise and doesn't read like someone trying to convince you Spiderman is cool. "Show don't tell" still counts for comics. But then again, maybe I look for different things.
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dont even fink about it posted:I don't know, all I read into these in particular and that Superman page is "You're powerful, but I'm established A-list!!!" and it comes off as unintentionally obnoxious and very lame. Also, Secret Wars happened in 1984 and 1985, when the rules for writing comics were different. 
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Jun 9, 2017 00:33
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prefect posted:Also, Secret Wars happened in 1984 and 1985, when the rules for writing comics were different. Yeah what I'm saying is that I don't have a practiced eye for "This is how comics were written in [era.]" I don't really dislike Spiderman, and from what I gather over the years, what I'm complaining about is a much bigger problem with Superman, who has stories with strawman characters in a forever struggle to make the character seem relevant and beyond criticism.
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dont even fink about it posted:Yeah what I'm saying is that I don't have a practiced eye for "This is how comics were written in [era.]" Also, just because I'm old and have read more comics, don't take that as meaning that I'm "right" or I know better. You can like what you like, and that's a-okay. And yeah, I've always been a Marvel zombie, and I totally get the unimpressiveness of most Superman stuff. Sometimes he comes out great, but there's a lot of "bleh".
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Jun 9, 2017 00:40
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prefect posted:Yeah, it helps that we know he's had some pretty bad things happen to him and he's totally guilt-ridden and dedicated to being a good guy. You don't have to worry that he's a gigantic rear end in a top hat for real. There was that one panel of him firing off a really rude insult at some mutated snake-woman (?) that came across as genuinely mean spirited instead of just quippy.
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Jun 9, 2017 00:52
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Wasn't the secret Wars thing all in his head. Which makes sense as early SM was a little poo poo
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CharlestheHammer posted:Wasn't the secret Wars thing all in his head. No, it really happened. Although Professor X wiped his memory of it before he could tattle on them. (They were going to leave the hero camp and join Magneto.)
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Early Spider-man was incredibly powerful compared to modern Spidey. He'd routinely beat up entire other hero teams, including the Avengers. He didn't start getting nerfed until the 80s, when someone decided maybe a guy who fights Fancy Dan and Kraven on the regular shouldn't be able to give Doom a run for his money.
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prefect posted:No, it really happened. Although Professor X wiped his memory of it before he could tattle on them. (They were going to leave the hero camp and join Magneto.) It was probably in Ultimate SM then.
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prefect posted:Yeah, it helps that we know he's had some pretty bad things happen to him and he's totally guilt-ridden and dedicated to being a good guy. You don't have to worry that he's a gigantic rear end in a top hat for real.   Spider-Man is a menace!
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Push El Burrito posted:
#JJWasRight
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AnonSpore posted:There was that one panel of him firing off a really rude insult at some mutated snake-woman (?) that came across as genuinely mean spirited instead of just quippy. To be fair, she was trying to take away his superpowers and lock him up in an extradimensional prison.    People who get kicked out of the Avengers Initiative have their powers removed. Without her powers, Lizard girl is stuck in a wheelchair.
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Weren't there some pages someone posted from like Howard the Duck or something where Peter wasn't being taken seriously by Silver Surfer or someone and he started talking about the time he took down Firelord and Surfer was like "Uh yeah whatever dude..." and just kind of rolled his eyes.
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The Silver Surfer got owned by the Black Panther using a full Nelson so he has no room to talk.
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Man Spider-Man is cool as heck
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CharlestheHammer posted:The Silver Surfer got owned by the Black Panther using a full Nelson so he has no room to talk. God drat it, can we forget about this???
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A-ha! I knew it existed!SilverSupernova posted:Silver Surfer #6/#200
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It don't matter what power level you find yourself in, you show Spider-Man some goddamn respect
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Spider-man has to be a badass because they have to make him cooler than his posse and, this one time, Aunt May shot Norman Osborne in the face with a .38 and MJ ran him over with a dump truck.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:God drat it, can we forget about this??? Long after the DCAU and Static Shock are forgotten, Dwayne McDuffie will be remembered for the stupid headlock.
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Glagha posted:You know there were just a bunch of pages posted of spiderman being good at everything and everyone being amazed at how cool and awesome he is and he's also funny and poo poo talks everyone all the time. If he was anyone other than spiderman he'd be insufferable. I know one comic that went into why he's constantly quipping, briefly. It's either that or be peeing himself in sheer terror. His own words/thoughts, not mine. I read this once, but I don't have a scan to prove it(I think I either read the thing in a store or from the library). I hate when that happens. This was about the time he was a teacher, I think, so it was a little while back.
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Push El Burrito posted:
I remember that one. He was trying to come up with the worst possible things to say to Johnny to get him mad enough to break out of hypnosis or mind control or something.
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Wanderer posted:I remember that one. He was trying to come up with the worst possible things to say to Johnny to get him mad enough to break out of hypnosis or mind control or something. That's the excuse Reed Richards uses for slapping around his wife.
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Wanderer posted:I remember that one. He was trying to come up with the worst possible things to say to Johnny to get him mad enough to break out of hypnosis or mind control or something. Next you'll tell me this is because of some kind of crazy mind swap situation.  There's just too much evidence of Spider-Man being an rear end in a top hat.
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Lets not forget Avenging Spider-man 6 
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Spider powers! (Marvel Adventures Spider-Man 57)
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Runcible Cat posted:Spider powers! TBF,that would be pretty sick if he could actually do that. Mostly because I want to see him throw one of those hilariously huge ones (huntsmen, I think they're called) at a dude and watch him run away screaming.
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And then Kaine actually got that power.
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