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mary had a little clam posted:I'm newly in management at my company, and this is actually something I'm engaging with more. Some people at my company have been passed over for promotions or otherwise ignored, and it creates a real wound in them that manifests as bad attitude or bad work habits or whatever. Traditionally, this creates a vicious cycle where their bad attitude just makes them less promotable, but I'm trying to find projects and prestige for them instead because the last thing I want to do is push a Jimmy into a Saul. I sorta think I can turn Jimmies into Jameses. But, I'm a rookie manager so I haven't had my heart broken by anyone yet. You should get them all cocobolo desks.
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Shbobdb posted:That seems to be how you understand death. I'm not sure what the gimmick is here. I just know it's stupid.
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ChesterJT posted:I'm not sure what the gimmick is here. I just know it's stupid. No gimmick, he/she is just choosing the absolute gooniest loving way to say that autopsies aren't always done. I don't even know if that's true, but that's what they're taking forever to get at
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A cursory Google search indicates that if you die outside of the hospital in most states they will generally perform an autopsy.
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if you kill someone but then put a note on them that says "no autopsy" they legally can't perform an autopsy one weird trick to get away with murder
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TOOT BOOT posted:Sir this is a
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mary had a little clam posted:This show is such a great character study in a lot of ways, but one aspect that's really clicking with me is Jimmy's desire for respect and admiration. It's tempting to reduce him to greedy or lazy or a shady schemer, but I think the text of the show has done a good job of showing that he just needs someone to believe in him and admire his gumption and creativity. You can see that it really crushes him when people treat him as Less Than, as a nobody, as someone who doesn't deserve prestige work. "Slippin' Jimmy" is Jimmy's fundamental nature. No matter how successful he is or how much respect he gets, he'll always fall back into scamming people. Not out of laziness, and not even out of an overreaction to his dad being an easy mark, but just because he gets bored doing any kind of ordinary work and scamming people and doing quasi-dangerous stuff is thrilling for him and usually also fulfills his sense of justice.
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Ein cooler Typ posted:if you kill someone but then put a note on them that says "no autopsy" they legally can't perform an autopsy Any civilian can put a mortician under temporary citizen's arrest for defiling the dead. It's not only our right, it's our duty
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I think all non hospital deaths go to the coroner in Australia but 9 times out of 10 they will just perform a cursory examination, look at the medical report, and release the body. Autopsies are things you do when the cause is reasonably undetermined.
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Ein cooler Typ posted:if you kill someone but then put a note on them that says "no autopsy" they legally can't perform an autopsy Police chiefs HATE you.
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Cnut the Great posted:A cursory Google search indicates that if you die outside of the hospital in most states they will generally perform an autopsy. If you die in the hospital you die in real life
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I might be able to clear up this derail. The cases for a medical examiner are usually: death outside the hospital, death within 24hrs of entering the hospital, death from an unknown cause, death from "medical misadventure" or negligence or during surgery, I think death of anyone under 18, and if the family requests it regardless of how know the cause of death is. There's other things but those are the big ones. Honestly, in the hospital, most people who die we know why they died so we don't have to have a dude cut all their organs up into 1cm slices and look at suspicious bits under a microscope to figure out why, it's just not necessary. This nitrate pill talk. Nitrates have an extremely short half life and would not show up on an autopsy blood test whatsoever. Maybe viagra would. One thing that people don't get is that drugs or medicines in a person's system that are not routinely tested for in a common drug screen are quite hard to test for. Toxicology is more of a detective type "what could they have been exposed to and let's spend the $10k on that test because it takes two weeks" then an easy case of putting their blood through a magic detection machine. As well, as soon as a person dies the metabolites tested for begin to degrade, so it is quite difficult to get adequate or reliable levels by day 1 or 2 after death. Seriously, a body decomposes and acidification and its chemistry goes to poo poo really fast which confounds a ton of tests. That's why pathology is much more reliable. Surprisingly, eye fluid is very reliable, because it is buffered and largely separate from the rest of the decomposing body. I also don't understand how nitrate use in this character's story is supposed to prevent a stroke, since it doesn't work that way, but whatever. When is the next episode coming out?
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Cnut the Great posted:Jimmy at two pivotal points in his life: That isn't $700. 
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Blind Rasputin posted:I might be able to clear up this derail. The cases for a medical examiner are usually: death outside the hospital, death within 24hrs of entering the hospital, death from an unknown cause, death from "medical misadventure" or negligence or during surgery, I think death of anyone under 18, and if the family requests it regardless of how know the cause of death is. There's other things but those are the big ones. Its for his heart right? Cant having a heart attack cause a stroke?
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Cnut the Great posted:A cursory Google search indicates that if you die outside of the hospital in most states they will generally perform an autopsy. When my father died at home after months of complications from cancer, they had to perform some sort of autopsy (not the full cut-the-body-in-half one, I don't think, but something that took a few extra weeks) simply because he died outside the hospital, even though the cause was extremely obvious.
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Hmm I wonder how this man with a gaping shotgun wound in his face died better examine his pancreas
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Sagebrush posted:When my father died at home after months of complications from cancer, they had to perform some sort of autopsy (not the full cut-the-body-in-half one, I don't think, but something that took a few extra weeks) simply because he died outside the hospital, even though the cause was extremely obvious. Are you sure they weren't looking for signs of assisted suicide? I can imagine some places would frown upon euthanasia to the point were they would actively check.
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hiddenmovement posted:Are you sure they weren't looking for signs of assisted suicide? I can imagine some places would frown upon euthanasia to the point were they would actively check. I assume it's just a legal requirement whenever the person dies and they haven't been actively monitored in a hospital. It was obvious that he was going to die, and there was a nurse there at the time who verified his death and recorded the time. Still had to have the medical examiner do whatever they did and sign off; I remember them saying that it was even more important because he wanted to be cremated, so there couldn't be any question later since there would be no body to disinter and examine for signs of foul play. It seems weird, but I can see why the law exists. Otherwise murder could be as easy as "oh...he....suddenly died at home..." In either case, voluntary euthanasia is legal in Canada so that wouldn't have been the sticking point.
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Sagebrush posted:"oh...he....suddenly died at home..." http://coub.com/view/5g3oo
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Dude with a known heart issue and a history of heart attacks has a heart attack. Better call CSI. We need to get to the bottom of this.
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underage at the vape shop posted:Its for his heart right? Cant having a heart attack cause a stroke? Thank goodness someone explained that nitrates wouldn't show up on a drug screen because I was going to yell at something. To answer the question, I suppose, but I would personally find it unlikely since generally the two would have different causes unless it's high blood pressure. If it's that though, nitroglycerin won't help his stroke. My supposition is that the stroke happens later. In any case, I'm not sure those are actually nitroglycerin capsules although we're led to believe it is. Nitroglycerin in my experience comes in amber bottles and are generally tablets, not powdered capsules. I think it's Hollywood convention working here. That said, I'm perfectly willing to play along.
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Yes nitro is usually absorbed under the tongue as I believe it would be ruined by the stomach. I assume a heart attack leading to sever high blood pressure could cause his stroke. I guess, technically, a left ventricular thrombus after a heart attack could embolism to the brain causing a stroke too but that's not tv worthy stuff there.
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This long rear end stupid derail almost makes me hope the show gets cancelled before we find out.
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It could easily be Isosorbide mononitrate tablets those are prescribed for angina. Maybe back on topic but I still have no idea how Kim is going to exit the show, which scares me because she's my favorite character.
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TBeats posted:This long rear end stupid derail almost makes me hope the show gets cancelled before we find out. That would gently caress Vince Gilligan over since he bought the timeslot from AMC well in advance under the assumption he would be making more seasons of Breaking Bad
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Capntastic posted:That would gently caress Vince Gilligan over since he bought the timeslot from AMC well in advance under the assumption he would be making more seasons of Breaking Bad Maybe he can sell his air time to some people like Saul does 
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Gilligan fast talking Odenkirk into doing a spinoff show would be a good spinoff show
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Capntastic posted:That would gently caress Vince Gilligan over since he bought the timeslot from AMC well in advance under the assumption he would be making more seasons of Breaking Bad Do you need a show? Let me make your show! With the elite package, you get 7 episodes with one airing each. I really hope they do that when the show ends.
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Why was squat cobbler involved in this scheme at all? Ignacio just needed empty nitrate pills, which he could have gotten by emptying some from the pharmacy. I'm sure he could've managed to get a prescription.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Why was squat cobbler involved in this scheme at all? Ignacio just needed empty nitrate pills, which he could have gotten by emptying some from the pharmacy. I'm sure he could've managed to get a prescription. He didn't know what they were. Pryce was probably the only person he knew that could get those capsules.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Why was squat cobbler involved in this scheme at all? Ignacio just needed empty nitrate pills, which he could have gotten by emptying some from the pharmacy. I'm sure he could've managed to get a prescription. I can think of a couple of explanations. First, he needs capsules that duplicate Hector's exactly--color, markings, and possibly even the size might vary. You can't count on getting that with a prescription. Second--and this is just speculation because I don't know how these things are manufactured, and I've never tried to take one apart--you'll remember that he specified "before they're sealed," which would suggest to me that you probably can't just get one that's a finished product and take it apart without damaging it.
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Ein cooler Typ posted:if you kill someone but then put a note on them that says "no autopsy" they legally can't perform an autopsy What if you run out of time before you bleed out and end up writing notopsy? Also the "police are evil" derail wasn't very becoming of this thread.
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Instead of a stroke, it might be that Hector suffers cardiac arrest for long enough to cause brain damage.
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He'll feel faint with the AC turned off and pass out, hitting his head on a table and triggering a freak aneurysm. The pill plot will never get into play.
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Severe allergic reaction to Ibuprofen.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Why was squat cobbler involved in this scheme at all? Ignacio just needed empty nitrate pills, which he could have gotten by emptying some from the pharmacy. I'm sure he could've managed to get a prescription. He was involved because it would make it easier for the audience to understand what Nacho's plan was if his need for empty capsules was made clear, and also because he was the link between Nacho and Mike. If he wasn't involved, then Mike wouldn't have been able to tell Nacho to switch the capsules back, which will probably prove important to the plot and Mike's arc. But if you were asking about the in-universe reason then 
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Cerebral Mayhem posted:Instead of a stroke, it might be that Hector suffers cardiac arrest for long enough to cause brain damage. He was fully lucid in BB though.
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UZR IS BULLSHIT posted:He was fully lucid in BB though. Different parts of your brain do different things, he might get damage in his cerebellum or something.
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Am I the only one who really hates Saul? I liked him a lot in Breaking Bad, but it was more laughing at him than anything else. But in this show, I just hate him. Part of it is he's a scam artist and I hate those people. The other part is that he actually thinks he's the good guy and that other people are treating him unfairly, whenever he gets any sort of negative consequences for his actions (like committing multiple felonies to steal a client from his brother). It sucks, because we know that he "wins" in the end and I really want to see him fail
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