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GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Hey Saros heads up, you have me in a "CE Fang" but the Fangs are AC not CE?

Anyway, I rename the ship Stiletto.

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Neophyte
Apr 23, 2006

perennially
Taco Defender
Forgot to bold this in my last post!
Also I'd like to be an officer too! Maybe something that is designed to kill a bunch of fighters/FACs in one blow - name it the B. L. Tailor. Thanks!


Basically put me in something that can see and hit small fry, and/or one of the antimissile escorts. Or anything, really, I'm ready to die for the near vacuum rusty red sterile hellscape Promised Land that is Mars!

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

I say we form an Iron Fist of ships from the Triton Fleet and burn the IC Colonies on Uranus to the ground. Dispersing our forces will let them be destroyed piecemeal, our only chance at breaking the IC in the Outer Solsys is a decisive overwhelming strike on their bases. If we can defeat their local forces they will be forced to either cede the Outer Solsys, or be forced into drawing out fleet elements from the Jovian System that would weaken their position against the bulk of our forces.


Out of curiosity what information does intel have on the Corporate forces based out of Uranus?

Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Jun 10, 2017

Lando131
Jul 27, 2006

This is one way to find scum...
Oh hey look at that. If nobody's snagged it already could I take command of the light carrier TCS MFN Concordia as Geoffrey Tolwyn?

I might be more of a lurker than a participant but you've gotta love that name.

Bozikek
Jul 22, 2007
Scout's should be moving out quickly to read on enemy forces we want to keep an eye on, perhaps one up our convoy line and one to peak at Uranus (the jokes are gonna write themselves) and keep a more close in sweep at possible attacks heading for Neptune.

I'm not sure if we want to send so much strength hurtling twords Pluto out of our AO when we are already weaker then the enemy or at least think we are.

How tough are those tankers? I'm inclined to use the light carrier's fighter strikes to target a convoy or two, hope to peel off some forces on Uranus and then hitting the mining operations with a force of missiles.

Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm doing.

Baron-of-hell
Jul 11, 2016
I would advise against attacking Pluto directly, since that belongs to earth and we want to avoid a two front war. But we could give the intel to earth to smooth things over and also frustrate IC plans. Moving against the IC convoy would weaken any effort at our main objectives.

we have to keep in mind that distances are VAST. Which means that any reinforcements or reactions will take weeks/months to arrive. This heavily favors surprise attacks, since every target will be acting isolated. However IC will know this as well and I am assuming that all worth wile targets will be strongly defended to deal with this.

Bottom line is we need intel:
First of how independent are we? Is the enemy able to quickly blockade us?
Can we set up listening outposts near their bases to warn of enemy movements? Pickets?
What kind of installations does IC have near their base just north of Uranus?

Operation Independence (preliminary draft, outlining objectives):



Main objective will be the destruction of IC's fleet on Uranus. (killing them denies IC's ability to protect Sorium shipments)
Secondary objective is the neutralization/crippling of IC's main base. (if feasible, but not strictly necessary)

The short version of accomplishing this, is to lure away the IC fleet on Uranus by attacking their base north of Uranus. This will draw a response from Uranus which can be attacked using our fighters and corvettes in ambush positions. Most of our DD, CA and BC will be used for our bait to give the enemy the impression that there is no second fleet around. Of course part of the DD's and CVL will be kept in reserve. If these actions result in the 90% destruction of IC fleet around Uranus then an attempt can be made on their main base.

- Any fighting with strong fixed defenses should be avoided to preserve maximum firepower against enemy fleet.
- If enemy fleet does not come out and play or we are not able to destroy 90% of their fleet then we try to achieve maximum damage against IC infrastructure/convoys in the vicinity of Uranus.
- Destruction of civilian ships and infrastructure should be avoided. If military over watch is removed then they should surrender and follow us to a friendly port.
- I am assuming that by attacking the north IC base we are also in a position to protect our own convoys but measures (recon) should be in place in case the enemy is more aggressive then expected.


I would also like to request that the construction or design of a CV class vessel is undertaken on Mars for future use in carrier battle groups. This is not a shameless attempt to get me a ship :colbert:

CupNoodle
Dec 14, 2008

Please take care
Please be careful
Please take care by being careful
I think if we decide to do anything with Pluto, it should not conflict with Terran interests. Especially so if we receive definitive intel that the IC is about to proceed with hostile action against it. That could be the key to at least securing some kind of non-aggression treaty, or even a long term alliance while we deal with the IC. As much as they may dislike us for leaving the United Terran government, a weakened IC would be a mutual boon for both Mars and the Terrans.

Action against Uranus should be carefully calculated before proceeding. We want to make sure that we will not be overwhelmed by any reinforcements from Saturn or a possible counter-attack on Neptune. Neptune is the life's blood of our economy and would be a critical loss at this point.

From the order objectives, it sounds like we want to bait a response from the IC large enough to divert their forces in the Jupiter Theater (possible operations near the Inner System?), but not large enough to wipe out our holdings in Neptune. I think hit-and-run tactics on their production facilities, or even just their supply convoys, creating a blockade, would be the most effective and incur minimum losses, which we probably cannot afford at the moment.

CupNoodle fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Jun 10, 2017

Added Space
Jul 13, 2012

Free Markets
Free People

Curse you Hayard-Gunnes!
The main strategic question is - is this convoy a joint venture with Earth, or is it an invasion fleet?

Scintilla
Aug 24, 2010

I BEAT HIGHFORT
and all I got was this
jackass monkey

Saros posted:

Your priorities are in order:
1) Protect Triton and our Neptunian harvesting operations.
2) Impede Corporate harvesting operations in any way possible including destruction/capture of harvesters, tanker convoy interdiction or capture of Corporate.
3) Draw the maximum of Corporate forces as far out-system as possible weakening their ability to respond to inner-system threats.

Just quoting this so folks remember that defending our current holdings is the number one priority this time around. Raiding convoys and assaulting the IC is all well and good, but we also need a comprehensive plan to protect our interests on Triton and Neptune in the event of the inevitable Corporate counterattack.

CupNoodle
Dec 14, 2008

Please take care
Please be careful
Please take care by being careful

Added Space posted:

The main strategic question is - is this convoy a joint venture with Earth, or is it an invasion fleet?

That's a good point. What is our intel on IC/Terran relations after the incident at Tempel? Would cooperation with the IC at Pluto be likely? I feel like with whatever is going on with Pluto, the Terrans wouldn't want to share, especially with how they have been trying to keep it under wraps.

Scintilla posted:

Just quoting this so folks remember that defending our current holdings is the number one priority this time around. Raiding convoys and assaulting the IC is all well and good, but we also need a comprehensive plan to protect our interests on Triton and Neptune in the event of the inevitable Corporate counterattack.

That is why I think any aggression we pursue towards Uranus should be temporary. Hit-and-run tactics to interrupt their infrastructure, but not threatening enough that they decide that committing a full invasion of Neptune is worth it. I think Mars proper has plans for the Inner System and wants the IC to shift their focus outward.

CupNoodle fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Jun 10, 2017

habituallyred
Feb 6, 2015
If possible we should defeat the Pluto convoy in detail. Defeating the cruiser and escorts at Swift-Tuttle is our best shot at defeating IC assets without engaging their fixed defences and main fleet. The Battlecruiser, one fleet scout, both supply ships, the Cassini class Cruiser, our Sagan and Draper class ships, the marine expeditionary ships, and the DDG class ships will form the pursuit party. The other fleet scout will remain halfway between the pursuit fleet and Triton, to give advance warning of any attempts to defeat us in detail.

The initial course should pretend that we are meeting a convoy from Mars at the turning point midway to Uranus. In theory our direct fire ships can force a short range engagement against moored ships or ships that have slow cargo ships to protect. If we can get between the convoy and Pluto we should be in good shape, but going that fast will probably tip off the cruiser at Swift-Tuttle. The DDG ships are included against the unfortunate possibility of a stern chase.

Our home base of Triton is best defended by missile ships, as our range will be effectively extended by the enemies need to move towards us to engage.

Scintilla
Aug 24, 2010

I BEAT HIGHFORT
and all I got was this
jackass monkey
It would also be nice to see what the Trident PDC is packing so we know how strong our ground defences are.

Edit: I'm an idiot, it's on the first page.

code:
Trident class Missile Defence Base    14,300 tons     383 Crew     2051 BP      TCS 286  TH 0  EM 0
Armour 9-52     Sensors 1/192     Damage Control Rating 10     PPV 80
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Spare Berths 1    
Magazine 1940    

Orion CIWS-160 (2x6)    Range 1000 km     TS: 16000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Virgin Galactic PDC Size 4 Missile Launcher (20)    Missile Size 4    Rate of Fire 20
Meyer Limited Missile Fire Control FC130-R60 (70%) (1)     Range 130.1m km    Resolution 60
Anti-Fighter Missile Fire Control FC20-R10 (70%) (1)     Range 20.0m km    Resolution 10
Size 4 Anti-ship Missile (485)  Speed: 16,000 km/s   End: 111.5m    Range: 107.1m km   WH: 4    Size: 4   

Mao-Kowalski Active Search Sensor MR128-R70 (70%) (1)     GPS 13440     Range 128.5m km    Resolution 70
Anti-Fighter Active Search Sensor MR16-R10 (70%) (1)     GPS 480     Range 16.7m km    Resolution 10

ECCM-1 (1)

koolkevz666
Aug 22, 2015
Saros two questions for you:

1) Does the independent colony of Swift-Tuttle like us enough to say delay the IC ships from leaving dock even if only for a short while? if yes then it could gain us a little more time to hit that convoy without them gaining reinforcements.

2) Are their any independent forces known to operate in this area of space in particular any would be space pirates?

Mukaikubo
Mar 14, 2006

"You treat her like a lady... and she'll always bring you home."
My suggestions, at a very top level:

1. Get scout ships between Uranus-Neptune to scout out any aggression against us, and inside Uranus to keep an eye on internal IC fleet maneuvers
2. Use that intelligence to begin capturing as many supply convoys as possible. We want to board sorium tankers and undercut the IC on selling it back to Earth.



As yet, without further intel, I don't recommend any large-scale operations against Uranus or any other fixed 'hard target'.

Ferrovanadium
Mar 22, 2013

APEX PREDATOR

-MOST AMMUNITION EXPENDED ON CIVILIANS 2015-PRESENT
-WORST KDR VS CIVILIANS 2015-PRESENT

Mukaikubo posted:

My suggestions, at a very top level:

1. Get scout ships between Uranus-Neptune to scout out any aggression against us, and inside Uranus to keep an eye on internal IC fleet maneuvers
2. Use that intelligence to begin capturing as many supply convoys as possible. We want to board sorium tankers and undercut the IC on selling it back to Earth.



As yet, without further intel, I don't recommend any large-scale operations against Uranus or any other fixed 'hard target'.

I'm on board with this, at the very least the broad strokes. Keeping an eye on the IC fleet should hopefully allow us to avoid a stand-up fight, and even if we don't go in for capturing sorium, going after softer targets sounds like a good low-risk way to weaken the IC before we actually have to face them in more actual fights.

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009
I also advocate waiting and seeing for a bit. Number one priority should be for the diplos to figure out whether the Terrans are aware of the IC fleet heading for Pluto. Ideally this would be an invasion fleet, if so I would suggest we shadow it with a substantial force, wait for it to attack then stab them in the back. This will both foil IC plans and build trust with the Terrans, maybe we could even get our own base set up on Pluto to offer protection to the scientific community until the Terrans can afford to reinforce it (hopefully never).

Maintaining all other ships except the scouts as reserve at Neptune is a must as the IC will surely retaliate to this.

When is our next convoy estimated to be ready to leave Neptune?

Pash
Sep 10, 2009

The First of the Adorable Dead
I'm pro scouting, the ideas are pretty good, we should just try to keep it stealthy though, so be mindful of use of active scanners. Don't want to give ourselves away for nothing.

Additionally some sort of raid or faint on the ships going to pluto seems like a good idea. I am Highly against any aggressive action against Pluto itself however, lets not piss off Earth anymore.

Finally I think a probing raid against the IC installation north of Uranus would be a good idea, if for no other reason then to gauge the IC's reaction. It might be a good idea to set up a reserve group to ambush any reaction, but I don't think we should send an all out attack against it. A small attack, testing the defenses, keeping the big guns hiding somewhere nearby. If we go all out on that planet I doubt the forces from Uranus will come out to play without getting reinforcements first.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Our priority really should be the IC convoy to Pluto. Not only is it a fat, juicy target (troop transports with minimal escort) but the find on Pluto is possibly one of the most important discoveries in human history and allowing the IC control of it would be a huge mistake.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
I agree with any plan that involves getting in on whatever's going down with Pluto.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

If the IC is going to take control of it, what if we wait until they take it to arrive? Then we've got perfectly good cause to have control of it for a while without technically being at war with Earth.

Pash
Sep 10, 2009

The First of the Adorable Dead
Okay, what about something like this:


A portion of our force, larger than necessary to deal with the expected defenders of the Convoy WITH the support of the ships at Swift-Tuttle, Departs for the IC target north of Uranus. This force attacks the target, and otherwise makes itself known, then withdraws after dealing whatever easy damage to military/shipping targets are there (lets not go bombing a colony or something... again...). This force then peels off, but leaves a fleet scout running its active scanner in the vicinity, maybe slowly making its way back to Neptune. If we want to try to bluff them to make them think we are heading back even more, lets take the biggest ship in our fleet, for the attack, but send it and a few escorts back to Neptune afterwards so there is a big signal if anyone checks.



The rest of the fleet, meanwhile, makes for the Pluto Convoy, either aiming to cut it off before it reaches Swift Tuttle, or afterwards, with the goal to be preventing the IC convoy from making it to Pluto, either due to the fact that they have to retreat, or because we have destoryed them. The Fleet will try to run at a lower speed to avoid detection as long as possible, we don't want to face reinforcements if we don't have to. We might want to set up contingencies if we get word of the ships departing from Swift Tuttle early.

If we want to get really crazy with it we could send a scout and some corvettes off into the shipping lanes between Uranus and Jupiter, aiming to take on any undefended convoys. Probably some of the marine corvettes, maybe with a larger escort or two, only engaging targets that are undefended or that they seriously outgun. Lets not go wasting ships here.

This is a lot to do, but we should be able to do this without leaving our base too exposed unless reinforcements from Saturn or Jupiter head up.

Pash fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Jun 11, 2017

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

Lando131 posted:

Oh hey look at that. If nobody's snagged it already could I take command of the light carrier TCS MFN Concordia as Geoffrey Tolwyn?

I might be more of a lurker than a participant but you've gotta love that name.

Well, given goons' propensity for crimes against humanity, it fits :p

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!



Coffeehitler posted:

Do we have rough hull amount/type intel for Corporate Uranus defenses?

A cruiser division is usually 2 cruisers plus 2-4 destroyers/corvettes and a handful of specialised smaller craft. A similar force size to what Goons were operating off Tempel 1.

pthighs posted:

Where is the current location of the convoy itself?

The convoy is currently embarking troops from Titan. It should be ready to depart within a day.

Bozikek posted:

How tough are those tankers? I'm inclined to use the light carrier's fighter strikes to target a convoy or two, hope to peel off some forces on Uranus and then hitting the mining operations with a force of missiles.

Any sort of cilillian ship is going to be very fragile.

DNA posted:

I think if we decide to do anything with Pluto, it should not conflict with Terran interests. Especially so if we receive definitive intel that the IC is about to proceed with hostile action against it. That could be the key to at least securing some kind of non-aggression treaty, or even a long term alliance while we deal with the IC. As much as they may dislike us for leaving the United Terran government, a weakened IC would be a mutual boon for both Mars and the Terrans.

Added Space posted:

The main strategic question is - is this convoy a joint venture with Earth, or is it an invasion fleet?

The exact purpose is unknown but it is extremely unlikely that Terra would be okay with any occupation force from the IC on 'Terran territory' which Pluto technically is. The only presence is the scientific expedition, no permanent population is known to exist on Pluto. Intel suspects that the IC plans to plunder the acheological site and the troops are there to provide a workforce and keep the scientists in line. At least one unit is suspected to be combat engineers so depending on what is on the transports they could be planning to set up fixed defences as well.

koolkevz666 posted:

Saros two questions for you:

1) Does the independent colony of Swift-Tuttle like us enough to say delay the IC ships from leaving dock even if only for a short while? if yes then it could gain us a little more time to hit that convoy without them gaining reinforcements.

2) Are their any independent forces known to operate in this area of space in particular any would be space pirates?

S-T colony can be prevailed upon to delay it and keep as much of the crew off-ship and occupied as possible for a price (we sould owe S-T a solid to say the least). It seems likely the cruiser is waiting for the IC convoy to pass by and join it so will be hanging about a few days with parts of the crew off-ship having R&R. The same is true for the two smaller vessels accompanying the cruiser. From what the S-T admin reports it seems likly they are destroyers of some sort.

Piracy exists but the ships involved are generally small, old, barely functional civillian vessels with a sub-nuclear missile tube or the like. A few of the larger independents operate a handful of Terran surplus military ships but none have any real military capability, the main use for independents will be for intel and IC movement tracking.

Good stuff with the planning so far, i'll condense it down when I have some time later today and see where the consensus lies.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Saros posted:

The exact purpose is unknown but it is extremely unlikely that Terra would be okay with any occupation force from the IC on 'Terran territory' which Pluto technically is. The only presence is the scientific expedition, no permanent population is known to exist on Pluto. Intel suspects that the IC plans to plunder the acheological site and the troops are there to provide a workforce and keep the scientists in line. At least one unit is suspected to be combat engineers so depending on what is on the transports they could be planning to set up fixed defences as well.

OK, here is a vague goal for a plan: we need to be the cavalry riding to the rescue here. If at all possible we need to shadow this force and then mess them up when they try anything on Pluto, then tell Terra all about how we saved their base from a very hostile takeover.

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009
Yes, exactly. The speed edge our ships have should be useful here, we need to be able to plausibly appear as spontaneous help, rather than look like we were lurking waiting for this to happen. Ideally we would wait until IC forces are in the very act of landing, but if we are a little early it wouldn't be the end of the world,.

At all costs we must prevent IC troops hitting the ground and digging in, cause you all know how much restraint we are capable of in those circumstances. Whatever it is that is on Pluto ins't just politically and culturally significant, it is reasonable to assume it will result in a paradigm shift on a scale unseen since mechanisation. It is imperative that nobody gets the chance to sneeze on Pluto, let alone start orbital bombardments.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Pharnakes posted:

Yes, exactly. The speed edge our ships have should be useful here, we need to be able to plausibly appear as spontaneous help, rather than look like we were lurking waiting for this to happen.

This isn't necessarily the worst thing in the world. We are basically going in just in case but we don't want to attack unless they actually start something. That's a plausible and acceptable motive: "We wanted to be ready to help if needed, but did not want to provoke hostilities unnecessarily."

The bigger problem would be IC spotting us because that will likely provoke an earlier confrontation, but again, if they fire first, they were clearly up to no good. It might even be a good idea, once we're in position to trail the IC fleet, to let Terra know exactly what we're doing and why. At which point, how they respond will tell us a lot about what their disposition towards this IC action is. Might even set the groundwork early for patching up any rawness about the Tempel 1 incident.

Agreed re: stop any landing. This isn't some random historical theme park.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Once the IC convoy leaves S-T and heads rimwards, the only imaginable destination for them is Pluto so that's when we should act. Don't want to overplay our hand, acting like we know they're headed to Pluto before they leave S-T could compromise whatever channel we got that intel through. Double check with Earth first to make sure that they aren't on board with the IC taking their iceball, then dial up the convoy and say "wtf are y'all doing" or intercept them or whatever.

Definitely, no matter what, DON'T LET ANYONE NUKE THE loving PARADIGM SHIFTING ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE. Both trigger happy goons and "if we can't have it neither can you" IC captains. Preferably we don't even let the convoy get there so there's no need for a ground battle amongst the strange alien ruins that, with our luck, are probably hyper-advanced killbots who'll reactivate if we start shooting around them or whatever.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

It's worth noting that the archeological site is fairly tough due to being buried under about a kilometer of ice. Still if someone was to build a PDC next to it you'd have to be extremely careful with ship-grade weapons fire thanks to the sheer power of TN weapons.

I'll write up a longer post later about ground forces but it's worth noting that engineers can assemble PDC's from prefabbed components which can be shipped about in cargo ships. PDC and ships can also be boarded and captured by marines or other​ ground troops.

Mukaikubo
Mar 14, 2006

"You treat her like a lady... and she'll always bring you home."
Given the new information, I would like to add a point 3 to my top-level plan:

1. Dispatch scout ships to lurk near Saturn and Uranus to detect large-scale fleet maneuvers
2. Begin planning to raid Sorium convoys with light forces - note that the goal is CAPTURE not DESTROY tankers, since Earth already thinks we're bonkers and a threat to The Spice Must Flow
3. On departure of the IC convoy to Pluto, notify Earth of a high probability that it is headed to assault and capture Pluto. I am torn between explicitly offering our assistance (in exchange for a share of the spoils, naturally) or restraining ourselves to just notifying Earth and then acting on our own.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Let Earth know, but only AFTER we're the only possible people who could stop them in time. If we tip them off right away, Earth can probably scramble a fleet from the inner system to catch up in time. If the IC convoy gets out into the Kuiper belt before we tip them off, we can be the only Inners able to catch them and force Earth to work with us.

koolkevz666
Aug 22, 2015
Battle Plan: Pink Elephant

Battle Map:


Task Force Dumbo (Yellow arrow)

Main Objectives:
Destruction of IC transports

Secondary Objectives:
Destruction of IC combat vessels

Units:

Battle Cruiser
Light carrier
Three Gun Destroyers.
One Fleet Scout
One Brawler Cruiser
One Anti-Fighter Cruiser
Two Anti-missile Light Cruisers, One of each type

Plan:

Task Force Dumbo is to leave Triton Base and head towards Pluto and after reaching the point donated on the map are to bend and move between Swift Tuttle and Pluto. They are to intercept and destroy the convoy, everything except the Light Carrier are to concentrate on destroying and distracting the IC military escorts. The Light Carrier is to use its fighter complement to destroy all of the transport vessels travelling in the convoy. Once destruction of all transport capability has been confirmed then friendly units are to either continue to focus on destruction of IC military forces or break off if the fight is not going our way or enemy reinforcements are inbound. Return to Triton Base on completion of mission.

Task Force Goofy (Red arrow)

Task Force Goofy's mission has changed following recent intel.

Main Objectives:
Reconnaissance of IC Uranus facilities and fleet assets.

Secondary Objectives:
Destruction of IC combat vessels and IC infrastructure if possible.


Units:

One Fleet Scout
One Missile Cruiser
Three Missile Destroyers
Two Anti-missile Light Cruisers, One of each type

Plan:

Task Force Goofy is to approach Uranus with the Gale class scout scanning for hostile warships, infrastructure and support/mining facilities/ships and transports. The mission priority is to gather intel however, if the opportunity presents itself then targets of opportunity are to be engaged and destroyed if it will not endanger our vessels too badly. Discretion of engaging or not should be left to the Task Force commander.Once reconnaissance of Uranus has been completed and any available targets have been destroyed or the enemy sally to engage the Task Force then the Task Force is to retreat to Triton Base.

koolkevz666 fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jun 12, 2017

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009

Crazycryodude posted:

Let Earth know, but only AFTER we're the only possible people who could stop them in time. If we tip them off right away, Earth can probably scramble a fleet from the inner system to catch up in time. If the IC convoy gets out into the Kuiper belt before we tip them off, we can be the only Inners able to catch them and force Earth to work with us.

Yes, this.


Also do we know what is going on closer to the sun exactly? Or has high command not seen fit to tell us that.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

koolkevz666 posted:

Battle Plan: Pink Elephant
Plan:

Task Force Goofy is to leave Triton Base and make for the enemy base at Titania. Upon arriving at the IC Titania base all ships are to engage the enemy at maximum range with full salvos of missiles. Priority targets are enemy ground facilities though enemy vessels can also be considered valid if they are stationary or also vulnerable. If enemy vessels move into engagement range they are to become PRIORITY Targets to preserve friendly forces Missile Salvos are to be fired as quickly as possible. Once the enemy force reacts in sufficient strength to threaten the task force then Task Force Goofy is to withdraw to Triton base.

This plan is bold and daring gentlemen but this is a time for action. We need to show the enemy we have capable strength to not only intercept their convoys but to also strike at their installations. This will force the IC to react to our movements and bring their attention on to us and away from the Inner System.

It's probably worth noting that this plan is going to result in a lot of civilian casualties as there is a population of about 8 million of Titania. Also that the max range of the standard missiles carried by your Cruisers/Destroyers is only 40m km and that any missile PDC's will likely outrange your missile ships by a significant amount (look at the large missiles carried by your own Trident PDC as an example) which means exposing the attacking ships to a lot of fire before htey can even get in range to return it.

Oh and before I forget shipyards count as orbital instalations so can be fired upon without causing civillian damage.

koolkevz666
Aug 22, 2015

Saros posted:

It's probably worth noting that this plan is going to result in a lot of civilian casualties as there is a population of about 8 million of Titania. Also that the max range of the standard missiles carried by your Cruisers/Destroyers is only 40m km and that any missile PDC's will likely outrange your missile ships by a significant amount (look at the large missiles carried by your own Trident PDC as an example) which means exposing the attacking ships to a lot of fire before htey can even get in range to return it.

Oh and before I forget shipyards count as orbital instalations so can be fired upon without causing civillian damage.

Ah that changes things then, guess I will rework the plan for Titania those ground defenses would cause too many problems. Thanks for the info.

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009
Whilst something like that would certainly be efficacious at provoking an IC response, lets sort Pluto out first.I can't imagine our plan to intercept and probably destroy this convoy isn't going to result in war but at least it's war for a reason other than the mass murder of millions of civilians. Something that can at least be held up by our own propaganda networks as a Casus Belli would be useful I think. We can get to the war crimes in due time.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Something that will have Earth on our side.

CupNoodle
Dec 14, 2008

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I think we should hold off on interrupting their Saturn and Uranus operations for the time being while we focus on Pluto and the defense of Neptune. We don't want to spread ourselves too thin.

We should also try to keep on Earth's good side during this conflict. Letting them keep Pluto for the time being may have to be the price of that, but we can still try to work out a deal to maybe share this discovery.

CupNoodle fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Jun 11, 2017

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

koolkevz666 posted:

Ah that changes things then, guess I will rework the plan for Titania those ground defenses would cause too many problems. Thanks for the info.

A Gale class fleet scout firing up its actives can spot ships/PDC of 3500+ tons at up to 120m km which should be well beyond the range of any return fire and would give you a good idea of the defences. The harvesting ships are usually going to be in the gas giants atmosphere and are somewhat less obviously a purely civilian target

Oh and if you are going to attack the convoy you might want to indicate if you will accept surrender after the destruction of the escort or attempt to capture any ships. Trying to hightail it away with stolen ships could result in a great payoff but the slow speed of civiie shipping​ means greater chance of the IC scrambling forces to intercept before you make it back to the protective umbrella of the Neptune defences.

Finally HQ has just notified us that they are deploying stealthy passive scouts to watch Saturn and surrounds so we should have warning of large scale warship movements away from the Saturn system.

Saros fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jun 12, 2017

Pash
Sep 10, 2009

The First of the Adorable Dead

Saros posted:

A Gale class fleet scout firing up its actives can spot ships/PDC of 3500+ tons at up to 120m km which should be well beyond the range of any return fire and would give you a good idea of the defences. The harvesting ships are usually going to be in the gas giants atmosphere and are somewhat less obviously a purely civilian target

Oh and if you are going to attack the convoy you might want to indicate if you will accept surrender after the destruction of the escort or attempt to capture any ships. Trying to hightail it away with stolen ships could result in a great payoff but the slow speed of civiie shipping​ means greater chance of the IC scrambling forces to intercept before you make it back to the protective umbrella of the Neptune defences.

Finally HQ has just notified us that they are deploying stealthy passive scouts to watch Saturn and surrounds so we should have warning of large scale warship movements away from the Saturn system.

Hmm, if this is the case we should accept surrender if possible and try to take them to Neptune. Then if Saturn Scrambles its fleet we wait for them to come part of the way, blow up the convoy, and hightail it to out of there. That should accomplish the goal of drawing out some of the Saturn fleet pretty well.

I still think we might want to send some of the marine ships, maybe with another small ship or two, to capture any hauling we can if its undefended and divert it to Neptune. Give them multiple things to worry about.

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Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!



So Goons we have two proposals put forward by our intrepid admirals.

Baron-of-hell posted:


Operation Independence

Baron of Hell proposes a strike against IC forward bases to draw out their fleet and commerce raiding.

koolkevz666 posted:


Battle Plan: Pink Elephant

Koolkevz666 proposes the pluto convoy interception and scouting of the Uranian system.

The plans above can be tweaked between now and launch time but these are the rough outlines. Get out there and vote!

Saros fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Jun 12, 2017

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