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When it says "spend a reinforce token" does that mean you just lose whatever benefit it was giving you that turn or is it like Armada where you then can't do that action again during the rest of the game?
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Two Lothal Rebels both with Wookie Commandos while probably not competitive will be a dumb fun list to try.
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Jun 9, 2017 18:38
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Lowhhrick (28) Inspiring Recruit (1) Tactician (2) Targeting Computer (2) Push the Limit (3) Norra Wexley (29) Push the Limit (3) Kyle Katarn (3) R5-P9 (3) Alliance Overhaul (0) Biggs Darklighter (25) R4-D6 (1) Integrated Astromech (0) Total: 100 View in Yet Another Squad Builder
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Jun 9, 2017 19:13
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*sigh* I hate it when I'm at work when a FF news bomb drops. Means I'm not going to be able to see it until I get home.
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Jun 9, 2017 19:17
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oh yes oh god yes form the head FORM THE HEAD unghhhh...
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IronSaber posted:*sigh* I hate it when I'm at work when a FF news bomb drops. Means I'm not going to be able to see it until I get home. I got you, fam. (If this works)  Dial:  Pilots:    Upgrades and Crew:   
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Jun 9, 2017 19:25
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Oh, it's on. Lowhhrick (28) Selflessness (1) Wookiee Commandos (1) Biggs Darklighter (25) R4-D6 (1) Integrated Astromech (0) Rookie Pilot (21) R2 Astromech (1) Integrated Astromech (0) Rookie Pilot (21) R2 Astromech (1) Integrated Astromech (0) Total: 100
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Jun 9, 2017 19:35
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flightless greeb posted:When it says "spend a reinforce token" does that mean you just lose whatever benefit it was giving you that turn or is it like Armada where you then can't do that action again during the rest of the game? I'm almost 100% sure it means to just spend the reinforce token that is assigned to the ship by the reinforce action, not lose the action for the rest of the game; otherwise spending focus tokens would REALLY hobble a lot of ships. Not sure how Armada handles stuff, I haven;t played that in forever.
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Jun 9, 2017 19:41
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How about a new take on the old Rourk build? (100) Biggs Darklighter (26) - X-Wing R4-D6 (1), Integrated Astromech (0) Captain Rex (14) - TIE Fighter Lowhhrick (34) - Auzituck Gunship Selflessness (1), Jan Ors (2), C-3PO (3) Roark Garnet (26) - HWK-290 Twin Laser Turret (6), Nien Nunb (1) Think it's worth dropping C-3PO down to Rey and removing Nien Nunb so Biggs can get a better Astromech?
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Jun 9, 2017 19:41
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You just know someone will run a list like this and that sucks because then I'd have to punch them. Lowhhrick (28) Selflessness (1) Tactician (2) Chewbacca (4) Hull Upgrade (3) Biggs Darklighter (25) R2 Astromech (1) Integrated Astromech (0) Captain Rex (14) Ahsoka Tano (17) Veteran Instincts (1) Inspiring Recruit (1) Black Market Slicer Tools (1) Captured TIE (1) Sabine's Masterpiece (1) Total: 100
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flightless greeb posted:When it says "spend a reinforce token" does that mean you just lose whatever benefit it was giving you that turn or is it like Armada where you then can't do that action again during the rest of the game? Yup. SPending a token is discarding it to activate a given effect. You don't ormally have to spend reinforce tokens to get their base effect, so Breach Spec adds something extra. It's also a clearly-intended-for-epic card in a general release set, which is kinda weird. E:and the Aussie Truck really makes me think they're going to nerf biggs and soon. He's already pretty far into NPE territory, and this is only going to make it worse.
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Jun 9, 2017 20:34
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They'll never nerf Biggs. Wave 1 forever.
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AndyElusive posted:I got you, fam. It doesn't, but I appreciate the effort. 
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thespaceinvader posted:Yup. SPending a token is discarding it to activate a given effect. You don't ormally have to spend reinforce tokens to get their base effect, so Breach Spec adds something extra. What is NPE? Nerf Please Everyone? No Player ...I was going to say interaction, but that doesn't work.
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Jun 9, 2017 21:40
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enigmahfc posted:What is NPE? Nerf Please Everyone? No Player ...I was going to say interaction, but that doesn't work. Negative Player Experience (unfun, no fun allowed, etc.)
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Jun 9, 2017 21:41
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Taking all bets on the Biggs nerf. Is his ability going to have "once per turn" added? "If not stressed?" "Must spend a focus token/target lock?"
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Jun 9, 2017 21:42
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enigmahfc posted:What is NPE? Nerf Please Everyone? No Player ...I was going to say interaction, but that doesn't work. Super un-fun to face. Like Kylo crew, like TLTs, like Sabine ASLAM bombs, etc.
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Jun 9, 2017 22:36
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Pretty meh expansion. The pricing on the pilots is just not competitive and their abilities are not great. Another Rebel brick is not what is needed at this point, and there's still no T-65 fix provided. The doomsaying over Selflessness is pretty interesting, though. If I want to take someone to time I'd probably run it. Otherwise the price of Biggs and another ship would disqualify anything that would work with Biggs and also have the offensive ability to take down an entire two or three scum big ship list. A reprinted core set with fixed T-65s that reworked all of Rebel defensive abilities to allow them to compete without paying the Biggs tax would be super welcome at this point.
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Jun 9, 2017 22:42
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I can't loving believe they just made Biggs harder to kill. It's not like they are going to nerf him now that they have advertised using the wookies with him. If they nerf jumps or mindlink now then they meta is gonna be Biggs/Wookie everywhere
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Raged posted:I can't loving believe they just made Biggs harder to kill. It's not like they are going to nerf him now that they have advertised using the wookies with him. Ehhhh, to be fair, Biggs plus Lowhhrick is gonna be hard to kill... in the first pass. Once you survive the initial merge, though, they're going to have a hell of a time staying in formation and staying relevant, since the Auzituck doesn't have any way of turning around quickly. And while Selflessness is a good EPT, it's also one use only, and takes up an EPT slot that could otherwise be used to increase the killing power of the ship you actually want to protect. I certainly understand why people are concerned, but I'm gonna shy away from judgment until people start actually putting them on the table.
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Biggs Darklighter (25) R2-D2 (4) Integrated Astromech (0) Lowhhrick (28) Selflessness (1) Rey (2) Jan Ors (2) Targeting Computer (2) Norra Wexley (29) Push the Limit (3) C-3PO (3) R4-D6 (1) Alliance Overhaul (0) Total: 100 View in Yet Another Squad Builder Biggs guaranteed to avoid 2 damage before even rolling green dice and if the dice don't do the trick Low can take it. Figured this would be a fine time for Biggs to have R2D2. Raged fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Jun 10, 2017 00:41
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The damage from selflessness is still going through though right. Like theyre blowing their ept to make biggs not biggs for a shot? Ok... its a glorified Draw their fire
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Splitting fire is generally a losing strategy in this game. Selflessness forces that to occur. It can be extremely powerful.
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ConfusedUs posted:Splitting fire is generally a losing strategy in this game. Yeeeeeeeep Sure the wookie is taking damage, but you get to pick and choose when it does. Imagine the horror of still having to deal with Biggs 3 or 4 turns after shooting has started. You're gonna be turbofucked. People bitch about torp scouts by man they are going to be one of the few things to break that duo from hell up. All hail ordnance!! All hail bombs! Raged fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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The most effective way to play Biggs is to tease opportunities to shoot at other ships one at a time, and use Biggs to change which of those ships is actually available to be targeted at any given time. Facetanking X damage until he dies is the least effective way to use Biggs, which doesn't stop it from being the most common because it also takes the least brainpower to do semi-competently, and that matters over 6 rounds of tournament games plus finals.
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Raged posted:Yeeeeeeeep Biggs with R4-D6 and Integrated; Low with Selflessness, Jan, and Chewie crew; and Shara with Draw Their Fire, R2-D2, and maybe Weapons Engineer crew? Take X+2 number of hits and/or crits in any combination. Cancel down to 2 hits with R4-D6. Take both with Low. Take a crit with Shara, regen with R2-D2 next round. Shara takes a Target Lock and Low takes Reinforce actions, Biggs takes a focus action that turns into an evade token. Biggs can take an absolute minimum of five damage without losing a single shield point, and your list's total HP degradation is net-2 on a hit that size. It's disgusting.
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Ok and then you have a list with dogshit damage output because literally every upgrade in your list is spent making a t-65 not die as quick. Like you can already do the superbiggs thing with current upgrades if you wanna boost his agil and spam him actions and poo poo. . Noone does it because building your entire list around Biggs isnt good.
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And you've got two ships with 3 die attacks and multiple arcs, all your ships have 3 die primaries, and they're going to be shooting for a LONG time. It doesn't really matter if their damage output is dogshit if nothing ever dies.
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"nothing ever dies" is a big stretch. you're sacrificing both EPT slots to eat a few extra hits. The wookie thing is a small base YV that cant k-turn and has 1 action a turn. Im sure Fenn is quivering at the thought of facing that and a non PTL Arc. Like come on.....
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also in the same wave is the TLT + LWF imp ship that im sure a poo poo ton of people will be using and lol if you think TLTs give a single gently caress about superBiggs with a selflessness escort
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thespaceinvader posted:And you've got two ships with 3 die attacks and multiple arcs, all your ships have 3 die primaries, and they're going to be shooting for a LONG time. Rebel player is gonna lose one or two ships and fail to kill any enemy ships and lose on points. 3 dice primaries with no action economy won't dent anything competitive.
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Anyone got any ideas for a YT 2400 AND 1300 pair? Leebo and a Sympathizer is what I'm thinking but it might just be a terrible idea all around since there's not a whole lot of points to throw around for upgrades.
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Super Dash and a very light Chewie?
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Improbable Lobster posted:Anyone got any ideas for a YT 2400 AND 1300 pair? Leebo and a Sympathizer is what I'm thinking but it might just be a terrible idea all around since there's not a whole lot of points to throw around for upgrades. Someone in my group runs this with some success. (100) Rey (54) - YT-1300 Adaptability (0), Finn (5), Kanan Jarrus (3), Millennium Falcon (1) Dash Rendar (46) - YT-2400 Veteran Instincts (1), "Mangler" Cannon (4), "Chopper" (0), Outrider (5)
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You can make a reasonable chewie + Leebo list. There are several variants but I like predator on chewie, lone wolf+HLC+outrider on leebo. I think you have a few points left for a crew or title on the falcon.
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Chewbacca (42) Trick Shot (0) Hotshot Co-pilot (4) Gunner (5) Millennium Falcon (1) "Leebo" (34) Trick Shot (0) Heavy Laser Cannon (7) Rey (2) Outrider (5) Total: 100 View in Yet Another Squad Builder This one looks fun. Harumph to your focus tokens
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Just wondering, but wouldn't Jyn on a wookie ship be pretty great considering her effect procs on shooting arcs?
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I just got my C-ROC and the "it's not a misprint they totally meant to have the firing arc be the divider between fore and aft" argument is somewhat belied by the fact that the manual with the ship specifically says "The ship token is divided into two halves by the blue center line." 
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Raged posted:
give me 20 minutes and I'm there
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ConfusedUs posted:give me 20 minutes and I'm there Looks like you're already in a game with someone. WIth no spectator slots. Boooooooo!
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