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Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Moist von Lipwig posted:

Fantasy is an inherently regressive, garbage genre.

tell that to Ursula K Le Guin!

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Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

a cyberpunk goose posted:

Jk Rowling was on the dole for a time, I think welfare recipients are often pretty insecure about their status and probably have pretty elaborate brain castles built up about how they will be rich one day and would hate to be taxed and how welfare sucks to be on but I'm one of the good ones and this is embarrassing and so on.

I wish we could say that economic hardship would lend itself to solidarity with people who need support and care most.

oh for gently caress's sake, the first thing you get if you google jk rowling welfare is

quote:

I chose to remain a domiciled taxpayer for a couple of reasons. The main one was that I wanted my children to grow up where I grew up, to have proper roots in a culture as old and magnificent as Britain's; to be citizens, with everything that implies, of a real country, not free-floating ex-pats, living in the limbo of some tax haven and associating only with the children of similarly greedy tax exiles.

A second reason, however, was that I am indebted to the British welfare state; the very one that Mr Cameron would like to replace with charity handouts. When my life hit rock bottom, that safety net, threadbare though it had become under John Major's Government, was there to break the fall. I cannot help feeling, therefore, that it would have been contemptible to scarper for the West Indies at the first sniff of a seven-figure royalty cheque. This, if you like, is my notion of patriotism. On the available evidence, I suspect that it is Lord Ashcroft's idea of being a mug

it is possible to respect her for not balking at redistributing some of her wealth, but also criticize her for failing to back political steps to make it systematic

yoober
Nov 21, 2010

anyone worth more than $5 million is actively making life worse for everyone else on earth but if that's what you respect then

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Seriously, how have the rich not been eaten yet?

razorscooter
Nov 5, 2008


cat doter
Jul 27, 2006



gonna need more cheese...australia has a lot of crackers

no fuckin way

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

that's the bad news

here's the good news

https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/873732373652791297

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

Crazycryodude posted:

Seriously, how have the rich not been eaten yet?
Because its hard to convince the army to revolt and join the workers revolution. I hope it happens one day and Paul Ryan is forced to watch a mass book burning of Atlas Shrugged just before the guillotine is dropped on him while Mitch is force fed coal till he ruptures.

Chexoid
Nov 5, 2009

Now that I have this dating robot I can take it easy.
Jeet is the Gray Fox of the Chapo universe; neither enemy, nor friend.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Sebadoh Gigante posted:

There are essentially two ways to go about making a superhero movie. You can make a “superhero” movie, (Christopher Nolan’s Batman films or Bryan Singer’s Superman) which takes the tropes, symbols and larger-than-life characters of the comic book universe seriously, analyzing the semiotics and psychology of superheroes and the culture that produces them. Or, you can say screw that egghead stuff and make a SUPERHERO movie, (John Favreau’s Iron Man or Richard Donner’s Superman) focusing on the technicolor spectacle that is the essential justification for the genre and leave the parsing of subtext to film critics and American Studies majors.

People interested in crowning a “greatest ever” superhero movie are really looking for a film that combines the two approaches to form the ultimate: a “SUPERHERO” movie. Whether such a beast is even possible is up for debate. Many people have claimed that The Dark Knight embodies the synthesis, but it really doesn’t. Are the action scenes (except for that kickass truck crash) on anyone’s list of the twenty most memorable things about that film? As great as it is, TDK is a pure “superhero” movie. Other films, like Ang Lee’s Hulk, attempt the synthesis and fail miserably.

The triumph of Joss Whedon’s Avengers is that it never wavers in it’s commitment to delivering the titanic action pageantry and iconic superhero personalities that drew us all to these characters when we were not-yet-jaded youngsters. And that’s why The Avengers is the best SUPERHERO movie of all time.

If The Avengers were just a string of high-octane action scenes, it would already claim the throne, but what makes this movie truly extraordinary is the attention paid to the characters. Considering that Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and the Hulk have all carried entire films by themselves, the main danger of a film featuring them all is that they might just blend together into one Uberhero. But Joss Whedon masterfully avoids this pitfall by focusing on the very different ways that each of these characters views their role as a superhero. For Bruce Banner, it’s a curse. For Steve Rogers, it’s a duty. For Thor Odinson, it’s a birthright. And for Tony Stark it’s a chance to have fun and show people just how awesome he is. These divergent visions of superheroism not only help the characters stand out from one another, they also create the interpersonal friction that sparks the kind of glorious intramural smackdowns that will thrill anyone who made their action figures fight each other as a kid.

By focusing on delivering core comic book thrills, by vividly representing a group of indelible superhero characters that have been painstakingly reintroduced to moviegoers over the past decade, by taking the time to shape relationships and conflicts sharply and efficiently, and by delivering a monumental finale of smashing and crashing that could have been pulled directly for a fanboy’s cream dream, Joss Whedon and company have made the finest SUPERHERO film to date. Until the sequel, at least.

review by Matt Christman

smh

Doctor Teeth
Sep 12, 2008


Have the Dry Boys put out a list of books they like or anything like that? I learned about The Twenty Days of Turin from Will's twitter and George Saunders stories from Matt's AMA a few months ago and was hoping they'd recommended more good stuff.

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

Doctor Teeth posted:

Have the Dry Boys put out a list of books they like or anything like that? I learned about The Twenty Days of Turin from Will's twitter and George Saunders stories from Matt's AMA a few months ago and was hoping they'd recommended more good stuff.
They have, I don't know if anyone could point you at a comprehensive list but it's the first thing they get asked whenever they do a Curiouscat episode or on Matt's periscopes. For modern American history they always rec Perlstein and Caro but I don't remember much more than that. Go back in the catalog to the two? "call-in" episodes is the best idea I have.

e: Matt always mentions "18th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon" as a starting point for Marx, and they're also pointed out David Harvey's lectures on Capital, which are available in video, audio or books. ee: Amber frequently refers to Mark Fisher.

KICK BAMA KICK fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jun 11, 2017

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

specifically with mark fisher it's the book "Capitalist Realism: Is there no alternative?" and the essay "Exiting the Vampire Castle", the latter of which you can read here: http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=11299

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

also if you're morbidly obsessed (as i seem to be) with reading a dead man's diary you can check out mark's blog at http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010
out of all of these mark fisher is absolutely the goon must-read as the story of a terminally depressed man.

The Time Dissolver
Nov 7, 2012

Are you a good person?

Mr. Lobe posted:

tell that to Ursula K Le Guin!

Oh my god gently caress A Wizard of Earthsea specifically

a cyberpunk goose
May 21, 2007

Phobophilia posted:

oh for gently caress's sake, the first thing you get if you google jk rowling welfare is


it is possible to respect her for not balking at redistributing some of her wealth, but also criticize her for failing to back political steps to make it systematic

jk Rowling alt spotted

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

Mr. Lobe posted:

tell that to Ursula K Le Guin!

Exception that proves the rule, IMO

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

Zikan posted:

specifically with mark fisher it's the book "Capitalist Realism: Is there no alternative?" and the essay "Exiting the Vampire Castle", the latter of which you can read here: http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=11299

Capitalist Realism is exceptionally good

Condoleezza Nice!
Jan 4, 2010

Lite som Robin Hood
fast inte

Phobophilia posted:

oh for gently caress's sake, the first thing you get if you google jk rowling welfare is


it is possible to respect her for not balking at redistributing some of her wealth, but also criticize her for failing to back political steps to make it systematic

I'm not sure if I understand you, her personal politics are pretty loving right wing. She's even using British nationalism (which is pretty out there to most of the world) as an argument for why she didn't gently caress off to a tax haven.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan
I think it's possible to have national pride and joy be A Nationalist but maybe I'm wrong. Like I'm proud that as a Canadian the Ltd fortunate have healthcare and poo poo and I would be very hesitant to leave this country because I do feel a debt of gratitude. That being said Rowling is an rear end in a top hat for myriad other reasons.

Condoleezza Nice!
Jan 4, 2010

Lite som Robin Hood
fast inte
I don't. In my opinion, nationalism is a cancer that will inevitably blossom into full-on raging fascism given time. Besides, British Nationalism™ hasn't exactly been a benign force of good, historically.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

On the other hand, numerous third world nationalisms have stood in direct opposition to the British and American imperial projects and been forces for liberation - albeit with varying degrees of success and subsequent disaster.

Condoleezza Nice!
Jan 4, 2010

Lite som Robin Hood
fast inte
Fair point.

But I've seen firsthand how nationalism has twisted relatively benign centrist and left-of center political figures and parties into ethnostate totalitarian fascists. That's happened here in Norway, where we have what I can only describe as insane clown-car fascists in government, and the farmer's party have gone from relatively boring centrists (though notably created by the remnants of the old Nazi occupation party) to raging populist fascist agrarians. It's pretty stark when you compare it to just how the political climate appeared a mere ten years ago.


Doesn't most nationalism rest on the idea of a non-existant ethnostate anyway? Also what the gently caress ever this is some nerd poo poo

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
i see no evidence that jk rowling wants to eject non-british people, and i just see misguided respect for the technocratic elite, and a reflexive doubling down on her original opposition to corbyn. wanting to support the british social safety net she fondly remembers isn't some absurd pro-british nationalism, just because she wrongthinked and framed her argument around "britishness"

ffs, there are alot of liberals that can be reached without being outright sidelined. remember felix remaining silent during some points of his interview with david hayter because hayter wasn't quite as left, but even then he admitted hayter was an ally

rowling isn't an ally, but she isn't an outright opponent. remember the rl stephens interview where problematic people are still useful as part of the movement. rowling can still be reached with a class message

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Phobophilia posted:

i see no evidence that jk rowling wants to eject non-british people, and i just see misguided respect for the technocratic elite, and a reflexive doubling down on her original opposition to corbyn. wanting to support the british social safety net she fondly remembers isn't some absurd pro-british nationalism, just because she wrongthinked and framed her argument around "britishness"

ffs, there are alot of liberals that can be reached without being outright sidelined. remember felix remaining silent during some points of his interview with david hayter because hayter wasn't quite as left, but even then he admitted hayter was an ally

rowling isn't an ally, but she isn't an outright opponent. remember the rl stephens interview where problematic people are still useful as part of the movement. rowling can still be reached with a class message

Yeah, people can be wrong about something without being evil, or an enemy.

Condoleezza Nice!
Jan 4, 2010

Lite som Robin Hood
fast inte
Sure, but I was responding to the idea that nationalism in and of itself is good. Which I don't think it is. Anyway. Moving on.

Condoleezza Nice!
Jan 4, 2010

Lite som Robin Hood
fast inte
Rowling should pay more taxes and shut the gently caress up, to bring it back from my nationalism tangent.

cat doter
Jul 27, 2006



gonna need more cheese...australia has a lot of crackers
I have very little patience for liberals that have meltdowns and treat socialism like it's the enemy of everything good, evilness is hardly ever attributable to outright malice sometimes it's just people being loving morons

Sushi in Yiddish
Feb 2, 2008

https://twitter.com/mekosoff/status/873873348656320512

https://twitter.com/Bro_Pair/status/390732071536050176

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010

Condoleezza Nice! posted:

Sure, but I was responding to the idea that nationalism in and of itself is good. Which I don't think it is. Anyway. Moving on.

well you sure eviscerated the imaginary person who was trying to make that claim, so good job

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

Phobophilia posted:

rowling isn't an ally, but she isn't an outright opponent.

lol if you don't count every billionaire as an opponent

CortezFantastic
Aug 10, 2003

I SEE DEMONS
Not a book but I found this Richard Wolff speech to be really illuminating. Really good for people not too deep into leftism to grasp and understand concepts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4&t=2s

InequalityGodzilla
May 31, 2012

Moist von Lipwig posted:

Exception that proves the rule, IMO

I'd argue that your username-sake is also a good example of fantasy not being trash. Pratchett commented on plenty of social issues in his writing.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

GUM CHEWING INTENSIFIES

Moist von Lipwig posted:

Fantasy is an inherently regressive, garbage genre.

Now tell us how comic book movies encourage fascism :allears:

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Gee I wonder how superhuman vigilantes who solve problems through spectacular violence might be interpreted as fascistic or reactionary.

Condoleezza Nice!
Jan 4, 2010

Lite som Robin Hood
fast inte

little munchkin posted:

well you sure eviscerated the imaginary person who was trying to make that claim, so good job

thank

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






TomViolence posted:

Gee I wonder how superhuman vigilantes who solve problems through spectacular violence might be interpreted as fascistic or reactionary.
All of them except the Marvel movie heroes that I like.

Tony Stark is a communist imo.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Captain America is a New Deal Democrat who grew up poor in Brooklyn during the Depression and literally punched Nazis. If we're being realistic he's probably the most lefty of the bunch.

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SMP
May 5, 2009

Superman has his roots in being a hero for the working class / socialist.

e:

quote:

At the beginning, Superman was very much a socialist superhero. He fought for the unemployed, the oppressed, he beat up wife-beaters. It's about a man driven by a burning sense of injustice -- there are no monsters or robots, he fights against corrupt council officials! He was conceived as a Depression-era superhero, who dealt with the problems of ordinary people.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/helen-lewis-hasteley/2011/07/superheroes-superman-graphic

SMP fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jun 11, 2017

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