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theperminator posted:Loving that brokebrain liberals are getting butthurt that Trump is bringing jobs back and succeeding at making America great again. These libs don't like America and never have.
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The White Dragon posted:oil priceswere collapsing in the years leading up to 2015, they transitioned to the cheapest power source. this is because the middle east maintained oil production in spite of falling prices. at the time, it was generally celebrated even on these forums that obama had brokered this deal with saudi arabia to gently caress russia And besides, even if 100% true, so what? The course has been set and Trump isn't going to convince the world otherwise so we can rage about Obama or we can look to the future but either way the coal industry is rapidly shrinking and we'll have to deal with that sooner or later.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:37
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COMRADES posted:And besides, even if 100% true, so what? Libs like this tire want developing countries to stay poor so they are the West's eternal slave labor force.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:38
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theperminator posted:Loving that brokebrain liberals are getting butthurt that Trump is bringing jobs back and succeeding at making America great again. They also think solar energy is a waste of taxpayer money now
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Jun 11, 2017 20:39
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COMRADES posted:Nuclear plants. Youre a shithead but I agree
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Jun 11, 2017 20:39
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Coal isn't dead, we just have to give the largest coal mining operations in the world massive handouts so they stay profitable!quote:St. Louis-based Peabody Energy, was able to pick up 721 million tons of coal for about $1.10 a ton today under a scandalous lease program operated by the Department of Interior’s Bureau of Land Management (BLM), at cost of $1.2 billion in lost taxpayer revenue (see below). This is supposedly ‘fair market value,’ according to the BLM. However, these taxpayer-owned assets now sell on the open market in the United States for between $8-$14 a ton, and between $80-$122 a ton overseas.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:40
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Snatch Duster posted:Libs like this tire want developing countries to stay poor so they are the West's eternal slave labor force. Yeah definitely I as a socialist want that to happen lmao. This is why I oppose the idea of the USA becoming #1 coal miner and somehow convincing the rest of the developed world to buy from us at huge mark ups because of the cost of transportation.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:41
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:They also think solar energy is a waste of taxpayer money now Wait, what?
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COMRADES posted:Ok that's true but I'm just saying coking coal accounts for (iirc) about 5% or less of total coal production so it's kind of silly to pretend like this is some step on the way to saving the coal industry that's all. Well yeah, the overall coal industry is in a decline, but it's not a freefall, either. Also, while steel is cheap, American steel is fairly expensive, because it's of a much higher quality. If there's one industry Americans have on lockdown it's steel production. If we can make our high quality steel less expensive the demand will be super high for it.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:41
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phasmid posted:Wait, what? Trump wanted to build solar panels so now they're bad. Nuclear won't happen either because NIMBY. The greatest example of that recently was Harry Reid.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:42
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VikingSkull posted:Well yeah, the overall coal industry is in a decline, but it's not a freefall, either. Also, while steel is cheap, American steel is fairly expensive, because it's of a much higher quality. If there's one industry Americans have on lockdown it's steel production. If we can make our high quality steel less expensive the demand will be super high for it. Relax. I'm sure competitors like China will make better airplanes and buildings that never crash or fall over because they skimped on materiel. Yug posted:Trump wanted to build solar panels so now they're bad.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:43
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VikingSkull posted:Well yeah, the overall coal industry is in a decline, but it's not a freefall, either. Also, while steel is cheap, American steel is fairly expensive, because it's of a much higher quality. If there's one industry Americans have on lockdown it's steel production. If we can make our high quality steel less expensive the demand will be super high for it. Then I think we should laser focus on metallurgical coal production as part of a general infrastructure and domestic manufacturing strategy but again this accounts for some really small % of overall coal production so if we're just talking absolute job numbers the miners are still boned no? If that spawns jobs elsewhere then great my point is simply we need a strategy to handle worker displacement and job losses in large numbers because even if you increase metallurgical coal production 100x, poo poo tons of miners are out of a job and they have few skills applicable in other fields.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:43
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phasmid posted:Wait, what? He's upset because people are poo-pooing the solar border wall idea.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:43
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phasmid posted:Wait, what? Once Trump proposed making the wall solar powered, solar became a waste of tax payer money and an awful idea
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Jun 11, 2017 20:43
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phasmid posted:Wait, what? Someone submitted a proposal to cover The Wall with solar panels. This is obviously not only workable but optimal and therefore the goddamn libs are being obstinate. holy gently caress beaten
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Jun 11, 2017 20:44
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phasmid posted:Relax. I'm sure competitors like China will make better airplanes and buildings that never crash or fall over because they skimped on materiel. Didn't some Chinese bridge collapse because instead of using concrete they used literal trash from a dump? Am I remembering that right?
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Jun 11, 2017 20:44
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World War Mammories posted:Someone submitted a proposal to cover The Wall with solar panels. This is obviously not only workable but optimal and therefore the goddamn libs are being obstinate. holy gently caress beaten It's not because of the solar panels so much as the fact that you're still trying to build a massive useless wall for no good reason. The fact that you want to cover it in glass on top of that is just funny.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:45
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:What's your wife think She likes him, especially any movement on childcare compensation. Also, she thinks her liberal friends on facebook are insane.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:45
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Yug posted:Didn't some Chinese bridge collapse because instead of using concrete they used literal trash from a dump? Am I remembering that right? Wouldn't surprise me but fun fact; most* of the steel China uses in construction is scrap steel imported from around the world. *can't remember the exact % but it is a lot
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Jun 11, 2017 20:48
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Zippy the Bummer posted:i think trump is fine still He's
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Jun 11, 2017 20:48
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Bholder posted:Stop blaming others for failing college. Ahahahahaha goddamn every time I read a post like this I am euphoric in the absolute fact the dems will suffer even more crushing losses in 2020
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Jun 11, 2017 20:49
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T.S. Smelliot posted:Ahahahahaha goddamn every time I read a post like this I am euphoric in the absolute fact the dems will suffer even more crushing losses in 2020 In this moment I am euphoric, not because of any phony politician's blessing because I am enlightened by TRUMP.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:51
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COMRADES posted:It's not because of the solar panels so much as the fact that you're still trying to build a massive useless wall for no good reason. it's some serious child-designing-the-best-moonbase poo poo. obviously you just put a solar panel outside and it makes power, bing bing bong, so put them on the wall and they'll make tons of power. can't put them anywhere else though!!! all those engineers making fancy-rear end power plant designs with mirrors and rotating panels in specially chosen areas for optimal sun exposure are just faking a bunch of poo poo to get paid, much like the scientists with the global warming
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Jun 11, 2017 20:51
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COMRADES posted:Then I think we should laser focus on metallurgical coal production as part of a general infrastructure and domestic manufacturing strategy but again this accounts for some really small % of overall coal production so if we're just talking absolute job numbers the miners are still boned no? I'm in agreement on this but IIRC Trump specifically cited the steel industry so we might just be seeing the start of a rollout of a greater plan. Should we be helping coal miners adjust more? Sure, but let's not pretend the DNC ever had any actual plan to do that, nor will they in the future.
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Jun 11, 2017 20:53
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VikingSkull posted:I'm in agreement on this but IIRC Trump specifically cited the steel industry so we might just be seeing the start of a rollout of a greater plan. Well fair enough and I hope to see that. And yeah the DNC would have done nothing either because they suck too. Saving the environment is great and all but I don't see why we can't help the people whose jobs are directly affected by that a bit more (or at all). Too often the answer to "sure save the environment but what about people's livelihoods?" is just "oooh you hate the planet!"
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Jun 11, 2017 20:55
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One of my problems with bernie is he spent too much time and energy on free college and not enough on better high school and trade schools and workforce training for the working class.
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If Trump is going to make his mark on politics, it's going to come through bringing back American manufacturing to some extent, and while we've been either quietly or openly laughing at all the other stuff he does, that's the poo poo he knows probably better than any President in recent history. I bet he knows the ups and downs of stuff like steel price averages and the like better than anyone in this thread, even if he is a buffoon otherwise. That's the kind of poo poo his opponents should be concerned about, IMO
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Jun 11, 2017 20:59
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Yug posted:One of my problems with bernie is he spent too much time and energy on free college and not enough on better high school and trade schools and workforce training for the working class. I very much agree with this.
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I tell any young kid that will listen to look at a trade school. I said gently caress college and took vocational classes for auto body repair and my skills will always be in demand. I mean, I'm an idiot but I dare most people to paint a car. You can make bank doing it, too. Also, you might get new and interesting types of supercancer!
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VikingSkull posted:If Trump is going to make his mark on politics, it's going to come through bringing back American manufacturing to some extent, and while we've been either quietly or openly laughing at all the other stuff he does, that's the poo poo he knows probably better than any President in recent history. Someone mentioned, I can't remember who it was, that Trump won a lot of support in the lumber industry in the northwest because of the tariffs he put up protecting them. And some people laughed it off like big deal that's not a lot of votes. But if he makes enough of these small targeted protections of industries he's going to start to collect a significant portion of fiercely loyal supporters no matter what he does anywhere else. It could be enough to make an impact on what will probably be another close election.
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Jun 11, 2017 21:03
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VikingSkull posted:I tell any young kid that will listen to look at a trade school. I said gently caress college and took vocational classes for auto body repair and my skills will always be in demand. I sanded and primed my first car. What a mistake lol
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Jun 11, 2017 21:08
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:I sanded and primed my first car. What a mistake lol ya, it's like trying to do your own window tinting, just don't
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Jun 11, 2017 21:10
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Tell me more about the supercancer.
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Jun 11, 2017 21:12
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Yug posted:Someone mentioned, I can't remember who it was, that Trump won a lot of support in the lumber industry in the northwest because of the tariffs he put up protecting them. And some people laughed it off like big deal that's not a lot of votes. But if he makes enough of these small targeted protections of industries he's going to start to collect a significant portion of fiercely loyal supporters no matter what he does anywhere else. It could be enough to make an impact on what will probably be another close election. That'd be interesting if it were true in any way or if Trump were running in 2020.
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Big Beef City posted:That'd be interesting if it were true in any way or if Trump were running in 2020. Trump is gonna stroll through the 2020 election.
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Mnoba posted:ya, it's like trying to do your own window tinting, just don't You start sanding and its hard as gently caress and there's all these crevices and poo poo. I did however, do it. And probably got supercancer in the process
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Jun 11, 2017 21:22
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Big Beef City posted:That'd be interesting if it were true in any way or if Trump were running in 2020. Yeah I wonder how well shutting your ears and screeching against reality will work for you in 2020. Just keep repeating to yourself between shrieks "demographics are destiny demographics are destiny"
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Jun 11, 2017 21:25
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Of course Trump is going to win in 2020. It doesn't matter how many people are outraged by his insanity, everybody loves a show and the Dems have no good candidate at all.
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Tallgeese posted:Tell me more about the supercancer. isocyanates are bad
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