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Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger

Dragonatrix posted:

Admit it, Makoto--you're hooked!

"I'm actually going to sacrifice it to a psedo-human who lives in the deepest recesses of my, or perhaps the collective unconscious, in exchange for a boon."

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vdate
Oct 25, 2010
There are three Social Links that actually stood out to me as being really interesting or neat in P3, and Hermit was definitely one of them. I kind of enjoy that your friend is just 'this person you know from online.' It seemed pretty unrealistic when I first played the game but these days I have a fair few people I'd count as friends that I've never met in person, so it doesn't seem nearly that farfetched anymore.

Keeshhound posted:

"I'm actually going to sacrifice it to a psedo-human who lives in the deepest recesses of my, or perhaps the collective unconscious, in exchange for a boon."

People's reactions to Elizabeth when you showed her around the mall suggest that she does physically exist outside the sea of the soul.

vdate
Oct 25, 2010
whoops

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
The Hermit social link is certainly something.

Also, that elderly couple is precious.

SweaterGear
Jan 4, 2010

There's a Monopenguin! :swoon:
I wonder if later Persona games would make the player go and start the petition to save the tree. It feels really weird that the situation changes so drastically without Makoto's input but the couple gives Makoto the credit anyway.

Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger

vdate posted:

People's reactions to Elizabeth when you showed her around the mall suggest that she does physically exist outside the sea of the soul.

Oh, she certainly exists, but I don't think she or Igor can be called entirely human.

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

I believe the original idea in Persona 1 and 2 was that Igor and the rest of the Velvet Room inhabitants were living dolls created by Philemon, so Elizabeth and Theo would be something along those lines as well (except that Igor himself created them).

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
The guy who painted your blank tarot cards in Persona 2 was an actual human, he just happened to be so good at art that I guess he got recruited for the job. But also he's literally Kaneko.

Glaive17
Oct 11, 2012

What is there left to discover about donuts...?
Pillbug

W.T. Fits posted:

Doing well academically leads to popularity, and popularity leads to intimacy.

I have been watching the endurance run since it was linked (here I think? Maybe in the P5 thread). I never even remembered that line from P4 when I played, but now it is one of the funniest in the game to me.

What I am saying is thanks whoever linked the P4 endurance run, it is great.

GoneRampant
Aug 19, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
I'm always surprised at how fast Heirophant goes up during this time, but it does make sense since all of the other social links are closed off right now. Still, it means that this is a period of really nothing but the bookstore.

Kerning Chameleon
Apr 8, 2015

by Cyrano4747

GoneRampant posted:

I'm always surprised at how fast Heirophant goes up during this time, but it does make sense since all of the other social links are closed off right now. Still, it means that this is a period of really nothing but the bookstore.

P3 Heirophant is a bland but filling Social Link: nothing standout amazing or terrible, just a little slightly sad story about a couple of old people. Works well for giving players a general idea of how Social Link progress works without getting bogged down in typical Persona crazyness, I suppose. Getting as much of it out of the way as soon and as close together as possible is probably for the best.

Although, if I remember the routing correctly, we won't see the actual conclusion to this Link for a good while yet.

Sai-kun
Feb 6, 2011

Is it ever going to be enough, to love another and be loved?
Ah, I've finally caught up, whew! I've played P4G and am watching my partner play P5, and she always raves about P3 and tells me to play it, but I know better than to actually do that because of how frustrating I found P4G. But despite that, I know just enough about the main chars (Akihiko-senpaiiiii!!) to want to know the story of P3, so thank you for doing this! Psyched to be caught up and now to follow along with y'all 😘✨

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

Sai-kun posted:

Ah, I've finally caught up, whew! I've played P4G and am watching my partner play P5, and she always raves about P3 and tells me to play it, but I know better than to actually do that because of how frustrating I found P4G. But despite that, I know just enough about the main chars (Akihiko-senpaiiiii!!) to want to know the story of P3, so thank you for doing this! Psyched to be caught up and now to follow along with y'all 😘✨

I'm liking P5 a lot more than I did P4 fwiw. And if you die in a fight, it offers to let you restart the fight, even on Normal difficulty. I wouldn't say it's easier, but it's definitely a lot more forgiving. I'd definitely give it a shot if I were you.

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

Kaboom Dragoon posted:

And if you die in a fight, it offers to let you restart the fight, even on Normal difficulty.
That's only the case in boss fights, you can still die to trash mobs and have to replay the last 30 minutes when the RNG fucks you over. Still a nice and useful feature, though.

Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger
Save early, save often, because at some point, you're going to whiff an attack targeting an enemy's weakness, their buddy's going to get up and crit someone and then it all snowballs.

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

Ah, I've only died in mini-boss/forced encounters so far, so I assumed it was the same for any fight. But yeah, still more forgiving than past games.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!

Keeshhound posted:

Save early, save often, because at some point, you're going to whiff an attack targeting an enemy's weakness, their buddy's going to get up and crit someone and then it all snowballs.

Psh, live fast, die hard. Think the longest I went without saving until I was done was 13 hours. Never felt the need to, and it somehow never went badly. :v:

Glaive17
Oct 11, 2012

What is there left to discover about donuts...?
Pillbug

Kaboom Dragoon posted:

Ah, I've only died in mini-boss/forced encounters so far, so I assumed it was the same for any fight. But yeah, still more forgiving than past games.

If you play on the "Safe" difficulty mode, I think it lets you restart any fight.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Glaive17 posted:

If you play on the "Safe" difficulty mode, I think it lets you restart any fight.
Still not as bad as P3P's and P4G's Beginner difficulty. You could just pick yourself up, dust off, and keep going in the fight. Dying was a good way to restore SP on that difficulty, IIRC. Or maybe it was Safety difficulty in PQ.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!


Well, I suppose it's time for midterms to begin today. Should only last a few days, so it shouldn't be that big of a deal...



Or it can take up the entire week, sure. Not like it's going to matter anyway.

Want To Be Close / Time



Gossiping: Come on... You don't need to lie about it every time. By the way, did you hear? Our PE teacher was hospitalized.



Listening: Whoa... Wait. Who cares about our PE teacher? C'mon, we've got 5 minutes! We can memorize 10 vocab words!

> The first bell has rung.

Boy, is this kinda last second attempt at cramming far more my speed.

During the Test...





And, uh, this was a very frequent result from that, yes.



Welp, there's that day go...ne... wait, seriously?!



Yeah, seriously. During exams we get no free-time during the day nor at night.



I sort of understand why, but it's quite silly. One question (if that) and day over!



Speaking of questions, though, the previous one was straight up taken wholesale from class. This one changes the answers around somewhat.





Occasionally, we'll be asked something that is the opposite of what we were asked before.



We had to answer what water low in calcium and magnesium was for class, so it does require remembering that at least.



And this one is something that was mentioned during an Academics increasing lecture forever ago way, way back near the start of the game.



Gotta remember that happening AND what the answer was AND hope you didn't skip it by taking a nap (don't do that).



Just like that, though, since each day is taken up this week goes by VERY quickly.

An Unpleasant Premonition



If the doctor gives me the O.K., I'll be able to fight with you guys again... finally.
By the way, I have a favor to ask. You've been doing a great job leading the team in Tartarus...
Would you mind continuing after I come back? That way, I can concentrate on building my strength.
I don't mind.
I already talked to Mitsuru, and she was okay with it too. Good luck.

During the Test...





I dunno, I always felt like that after I was done with my exams. Sometimes it was accurate, sometimes it... really, really wasn't. :v:

Want To Be Close / Time



As a nice mercy, now that we're done with our exams we get to actually do things on Saturday. The first time I ever played this game... 9 years ago... I was fully expecting to get shunted to either Saturday evening or even Sunday. Understandable why, I'm sure.



Added bonus: people at school are like actually available and stuff now!

I, um... sort of overreacted... and I, um... Just wanted to say I'm sorry...
I-I get really nervous when I, um, talk to people... especially boys...
I-I know it's bad, but... I-I can't help it...

> Chihiro seems to be very self-conscious...

OH! It's cool, I know how to fix this!

I'm male.



S-Sorry, I won't be a very good Student Council representative if I'm like this...
...I have to try harder to overcome this phobia.

Somehow that didn't work?! I know, I'm shocked too!

Right, fine. Okay. Let's see... it is Saturday so we COULD go back to the bookstore... again... but let's be sensible about this. We just regained the ability to work on school links, so who's available today? It's a Saturday...



So our options are limited. Fortunately, we don't need a Strength Persona right now, though we will need one soon...

Joy



I don't think we've seen this place at all on-screen yet. I've walked past it once or twice trying to find folks on Sundays but that's all.



Even though I eat lunch everyday, I still get hungry after practice. I consider this an early dinner...
I'll still eat dinner when I get home, though...
I really have to stop eating between meals, or I'll gain tons of weight once I'm not so busy with the team...
Hey, Makoto-kun, do you think I eat too much?
Not really.
I agree! I just eat a little more than your average girl, right!?
I'm sure I burn off the extra calories during practice!



You live in the dorm, right Makoto-kun? Not to pry, but...
You must love being around good-looking girls like Mitsuru and Yukari...
Not necessarily.
Really? So, not all guys like the same thing? Honestly, I wouldn't mind being more like them.

I know she means Mitsuru and Yukari (etc.) here, but the way its worded in context makes it seem like she wants to be more like, say, Junpei...



...Not that I'm desperate for attention or anything.
Maybe I should go on a diet... I'm lazy, but it's the only way.
...I've decided! I'm gonna stop eating between meals! My first goal is to tone up my arms!
Did you hear that, Makoto-kun? You're my witness.

> Yuko has told you about her resolution.

> Your relationship is stronger now!





Let's go.
Yeah, otherwise I might be tempted to order something else. *blush*



Alright, let's go.

> After saying goodbye to Yuko, you decided to go back to the dorm.

Troubled



Congrats, man!
I need to catch up on my training. I've slacked off for a whole month.
Shouldn't you take it easy, though? You don't wanna reinjure your arm.
I've already wasted precious time.





Yukari DOES get an exclamation mark above her head too, here, though since Akihiko managed to catch Junpei's attention...

We did!? Sweet!
Is it a girl...?



Actually, it is. She's a junior who goes to our school.



Yamagishi...? Oh, that girl in 2-E...
She gets sick a lot, from what I heard... I don't see her at school very often.
She was at the same hospital as me. That's how we found out about her.
But, maybe she's not cut out for battle.
I had an Evoker made for her, too...



I was gonna offer her some private lessons...



Wh-Why're you lookin' at me like that? C'mon...



I dunno, something better than that.

Iwatodai Dorm



Not really.
Are you serious? You're such a strange guy.



Or, did you want her to join instead of me?
......
Sorry, that's a tough question to answer. Just forget I said anything.



He's just happy.
Yeah, you're right. He got this big smile on his face after he heard that a girl was coming.
Well, I guess it would be nice to have another girl in the dorm.



However, it can't be helped if she's weak and unable to fully participate.



The man's computer was also seized in the raid.

Hm, so let's think. We just got Akihiko back in the party, we're running low on money, we have a bunch of quests to finish with a deadline for those in like 2 weeks... we just lost 1 week to exams...



I think it's time we went back to Tartarus!

The Voice Someone Calls



With Akihiko in the fray, we now have a full party of 4 and always will do. How nice!



He joins at level 12, which is notably higher than we could ever dream of being right now without absurd levels of grinding.



Aki's a bit of a mixed bag, really. As his baseline will let you know, he's a very generalist kinda guy; he can sort of do everything and he's not really BAD at anything. Notably he's a good source of Strike elemental damage to finally round those out, he can heal, he can do Electric stuff and he'll be able to debuff later as well. Yeesh.



Do you remember how I said Tartarus was divided into different areas?
I discovered through Penthesilea's power that the first barrier is gone now.
I suspect that the others will disappear too, eventually...
Therefore, I'd like to make reaching the top our goal.
You never know what the future may hold, and getting to the top of the tower is the most logical step.
I'll let you decide on an appropriate pace, but the sooner the better. I'm counting on you.

Whew, jeez, okay. So, first order of business then:



This dreadful thing. It can only be equipped by girls, so that's Yukari and... Yukari. +1 Strength is not really super necessry or useful and its defence is double what she has by default at least?



Also it's needlessly creepy and changes Yukari's model to be... this. It's weird and I don't get it.



Just gonna stick to the Rash Guard when it matters. Or maybe something else if we find decent armor before the next boss.



And now we can progress further on up, just like we've been informed twice. Let's see what lies ahead...



The second block, as expected. So long Thebel, we'll see you... almost never. Almost. Gotta go back for one thing still.

tartarus_0d02



I'll try to see what's up ahead. Hold on...
...Sorry, but I'm experiencing difficulties, possibly because of the distance...
I need more time... You may proceed for now...



Alright, so now we can run around... Thebel?? No, game, you're wrong. That's weird, stop lying.

Mystery New Block is not named Thebel. All versions do this, though; I don't know why, since Elizabeth's requests tell you the real name already.



A new Block brings with it, new opportunities for lots of money jeez. More in this one case than we'd realistically get from 3 before...

Mass Destruction / Wiping All Out



But the real important thing here is the new Shadows! There's nothing BUT new Shadows around now, in fact.



This is the only time we're going to run into Grieving Tiaras though. Not like it matters since they're kinda weak pushovers.



Sure, they're weak to Ice but jeez that's ridiculous.



These things are a bit more interesting and important. They're potentially nasty bastards since they have Mudo access, and their only weakness it Expel which we could have easily but it requires grinding an Angel and, uh, nah.

These guys generally appear in groups of 3 and Elizabeth wants 3 drops from them for good measure. These ones are not guaranteed to happen, annoyingly.



Expel being the only weakness is not a big deal though, since Akihiko doesn't really care. He's kind of a Crit Machine at this stage and that speeds up so, so much. One of the benefits of coming in at Great status!



It pushes his damage with a basic attack upto around 70 and makes Sonic Punch an easy one-hit kill here.



The thing you'll probably sort of notice here is that Ice is quite a common weakness. Makoto is the only source of that right now, and weirdly the game was kind enough to give us Ice Boost already via Jack Frost.



The other thing of importance is that because everything here is level 9+, we actually get real EXP values now! It took long enough!

Oh and gems drop semi-frequently too. Except when you want them. And we will want them. Gems are important!



We also start to get Rank 2 Minor Arcana cards which are a tangible upgrade over Rank 1 by a noticable amount. Can't complain about that, nope.



We also get to see what happens if a Shuffle Time would give a Persona that we can't actually use. It's a silhouette and then it just disappears. Shame. Archangel here is level 10, so we're close to it at least.



Hey a Red Shadow! Akihiko mentioned this before; these things are fairly uncommon/semi-rare but very worth fighting whenever they crop up...



Though it's probably better if they DON'T get the Advantage. Revolution is helpful for us as well, though, since it increases the chance of getting a Crit for... everyone. Everyone.



Not like these things really need it though, when they're doing this on Neutral before proccing a Crit. Yeesh.



Meanwhile, when we hit their weakness, it's not a particularly good amount of damage.



Though, they are also weak to Expel if you have a means of doing that effectively. Resisting Strike is a minor inconvenience, really. Note that they're level 19 as well; Red Shadows are always the highest levelled thing you can encounter in the Block outside of bosses.



This means they give really, really good EXP for the area. This is without a Suit of Wands card as well...



It's easily enough to push Makoto to level 10, though, and that lets us have a stock of 8 instead of 6 now.

tartarus_0d02



Floor 18 is really low on new content, sadly. There's, uh...



Oh, Black Ravens turned up here. They're really weak, though.



A single Zio is an easy, easy one-shot. Shame, but it's really not that big a deal. Black Ravens are straight-up the weakest things in the Block anyway. (Grieving Tiara's are a close second though)



On 19F, Mitsuru decides to let us know that we can leave and come back to lower floors if we need to grind. Uh, nah, we're okay thanks.



So, Arqa is the name of the second Block. It's named after Arka from the Kabbalah; it's one of the seven lands of the lower world where Cain's sons reside. Thebel was also from the Kabbalah being named after Tevel, which is the name for our world. Which is also where the world "Thevel" mentioned before comes from.

...Except just to make it more confusing, Arqa spelt like this is also a thing. It's the third of the Seven Earths of Islam, and is generally considered to be functionally the same thing as the Arka from Judaism as mentioned above.

Anyway, uh, that's a small shadow meaning it's one thing, meaning I know exactly what it is...

Mass Destruction / Wiping All Out



Bestial Wheel is a bit of an awkwrd thing if you don't know what you're doing. Being a solo Shadow that is pretty strong (16 Strength and Endurance; 10 everything else) it's basically the Grave Beetle for this area. Except dangerous because it takes that 16 Strength and uses it to throw down Power Charged Assault Dives. Yikes.



Mercifully it's weak to both Elec and Wind so we can quite easily deal with this if need be. Since getting up requires turns and being a Strong Solo Shadow, it's not exactly immune to ailments either...



Although, thanks to a quirk in the turn order, it goes immediately after Makoto here. So he can knock it down with Zio, do something that ISN'T an attack and then it wastes its only turn getting up. Repeat until fight's won.



...Wow, this is a rare mechanic. So, sometimes this happens and, uh, it's kind of exactly what you think really.



There ARE limitations to what you get from the second draw here, and picking a Blank card voids your initial pick as well.



Double Up draws only have Blank cards and Persona from the normal pool for the area. It's generally easy to avoid the Blank at least, which means our 1.2x EXP boost from the Rank 1 Wand before is completely safe. Hurray!

tartarus_0d02



On the 20th floor, Mitsuru finally finds the next boss and it's still quite a ways away at the 25th floor. Well, we'll get there eventually.



A Black Raven got lucky and lived since I tried to auto it and it dodged Akihiko. Welp. Poisma is single-target with a base 25% chance to Poison. Notably, Black Ravens have 4 Luck so uh...



Of course Junpei gets Poisoned. I'd be more surprised if he didn't.



Poison deals damage at the end of the turn, though it cannot kill anything. It only ever drops you to 1HP. Boring.



It even persists after battle, though it really doesn't matter at all. Dis-Poisons and Posumudi are kinda common as dirt.



On the 21st floor, Mitsuru lets us know about some new Shadows as of this floor. I'm not exactly sure that's accurate though, since I think the "new" Shadows here CAN appear from 17-20F as well, just rarer.

Mass Destruction / Wiping All Out



Anyway, the stuff we run into regardless of its status as "new" or not includes the Heat Balances from the monorail. They can appear in upto groups of 4 and are slightly stronger than they were before, though not by much. We just can't one-shot them now, basically.



They sometimes appear with this thing, though. Wild Beasts are a minor annoyance to deal with on account of their only weaknesses being Expel/Curse. They'll cast Tarukaja sometimes and then Sonic Punch dudes.

Though they have 2 Luck and are sorta also weak to Ailments so, uh, whoops.



Laughing Tables also make a return appearance after popping up on the monorail! They really like Ice spells so of course they burn quite easily and are immune to Ice for good measure.

tartarus_0d02



That's it for the 21st floor. On the 22nd, Mitsuru just continues to doubt our capability for the boss coming up. Jee, thanks Mitsuru.



We also run into another pair of Steel Gigas. Since we're a higher level now their EXP isn't as good, though it's still the best by far.



The 23rd floor gives us this message which doesn't really make a whole lotta sense, but sure. Okay. A floor is expanding. Whatever you say, Mitsuru.



Weirdly, she's not exactly wrong since the rooms here are almost all these large open squares. It makes it easy to sneak up on things or just run straight past 'em at least.



...And we get 3 Old Lanterns from the Phantom Mages in one fight here. I would be happy about this, but I had 2 already that dropped 1 at a time until now.

Absolutely gently caress all happens on the 24th floor. Even Mitsuru's dialogue is just "boss is closer than it was before." Good, thanks.



So we'll skip to the 25th floor where the boss is waiting.



Turn on the Terminal, leave for the full heal...

The Poem For Everyone's Soul



And also we need to give Elizabeth these Lanterns. Absolutely worth it for the reward, if you ask me. And you definitely did.



31k is nice and we'll be using this, uh, right now because loving hell the Compendium is expensive this early.



So, we're gonna make a Valkyrie out of Forneus (our best source of Tarukaja right now), Orpheus AND Angel. No matter how many times I rerolled skills, she would insist on always inheriting Bash which sucks but whatever. At least shes gonna give us Mabufu which her 7 Magic can definitely use really well. Yup!



More importantly, this is another one of Liz's fusion requests dealt with.

A fine specimen it is. Well, you have done as I asked.
The reward I'm going to give you this time has an unusual effect.



If you are strong enough to control this Persona, then please give it a try.



He's level 24, so we'll be waiting a bit for this one too!



Speaking of waiting, next she wants an Oberon that's been levelled up. Sure, okay. Oberon's base level is 15 so once we get there and also get Emperor to rank 3+ this one will just solve itself automatically.



We're currently level 11, so let's make a level 9 persona that will run rings around everything else. Yomotsu-Shikome is kind of a good early game Persona since she has no weakness, is quick, can cast magic effectively and also she starts with Auto-Tarukaja now that we've got Hermit to rank 3. It's exactly what it sounds like; Makoto starts the fight Tarukaja'd. For free.



With Shikome prepped, we'll go deal with some uppity tables I guess. We don't NEED her for this, but it feels better to have her than to not.

Magician Crying Table x3 (Portable)

Master of Tartarus / Danger Zone



I think we know the deal by now, since this is the fourth time and all.



So, these Crying Tables are weak to Ice. We can win pretty handily already, considering both Jack Frost and Yomotsu-Shikome have both Bufu AND Ice Boost.



Honestly, probably a good idea to not let the AI interfere at first/at all in this fight. As Junpei will gladly demonstrate, the tables drain Fire.



And as Akihiko learns, they're also immune to Strike for good measure. They also resist Slash and Pierce, though Elec and Wind are neutral.



Attack-wise, well, they're fire elemental tables. They cast Maragi, frequently.



They also cast Agilao, arguably more frequently. Also they have Fire Boost so, uh, maybe don't use Jack Frost or anything else with a Fire weakness. This is why I brought Yomotsu-Shikome, yes.



If you really want the AI to help out, probably just have Junpei run support so he can Rakukaja folks and early-on help with healing if its necessary. Akihiko can contribute damage with Zio, if you use him right and focus on downing tables and let him only attack ones that have stood up. Yukari can do the same with Garu and they can both heal effectively. Not enough to keep up with 3 Agilaos a turn, mind, but it's something?



Crying Tables are level 14 so, uh, we don't get that great EXP out of them compared to what we're used to. They also have 260HP and 260SP so they're kinda flimsy too. Apparently they can cast Poisma and do some decent physical attcks but Poisma is fairly rare and I don't buy that Magicians with 16 Magic would opt to use their lower Strength all that often!

tartarus_0d02



They were guarding... a Bead Chain, huh? Feels like a step back after the Soma (because it is), but it'll still come in handy I'm sure.

...Sucks that Yukari had to go and get tired after fighting the Tables but that means Junpei and Makoto won't be far behind now, so we'll take a bit of a respite I guess.

Lotus Aura fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Feb 13, 2018

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



I feel like they should at least give you Academics points in exchange for taking away all your free time during exams. It could represent you going home and studying your butt off. And for the post-P3 games and their 5 social stats, they could give Kindness or Charm points for the times when they decide to kill a week because you're helping somebody else, like the week working at Junes in P4. At least that one's optional, I suppose.

Notably, equipping the High-Cut Armor on someone for extended periods will frequently cause them to buy some armor to replace it, IIRC. They give you back the bikini armor at least though... None of the guys have any problem wearing the Chivalry Shirt or (in P3P) the butler outfit or anything for extended periods though. At least alternate costumes were made a separate equipment slot from Golden onward. I usually had everyone dressed up as secret agents.

Keldulas
Mar 18, 2009
Huh, so if they go out and buy armor on their own, is it a free item in essence or do they use your money?

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



I'm pretty sure it's effectively a free item. I think it balances out the fact that if you tell everyone to split up and search the area they keep any money they find in chests. Just another reason to Never Split The Party.

darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?
party members buying gear is based on calculations that don't always make sense on how effective it actually is. I've had people buy gear that's actually worse than what I gave them just because its really out of date with the arbitrary progression

Burger Flipper
Sep 14, 2015

by astral

Dragonatrix posted:



We're currently level 11, so let's make a level 9 persona that will run rings around everything else. Yomotsu-Shikome is kind of a good early game Persona since she has no weakness, is quick, can cast magic effectively and also she starts with Auto-Tarukaja now that we've got Strength to rank 3. It's exactly what it sounds like; Makoto starts the fight Tarukaja'd. For free.

I think you meant you have Hermit at rank 3 now, not Strength. Seeing as Yomotsu-Shikome is a Hermit Persona.

I'm sure you'll show it, but I actually find the name change the High-Cut Armor got for Portable kinda humorous.

GoneRampant
Aug 19, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
So, we have a new party member, and drat is Akihiko gonna pull his weight before the end of the game.

Akihiko Sanada

Arcana: Emperor

Voiced by: Liam O'Brien

As Akihiko himself might say regarding his return to active duty, "I've been waiting for this!" Akihiko, as already mentioned, is a classic jack-of-all-trades, but he's surprisingly not a master of none style character. He's actually capable of becoming one of the more useful party members as the game goes on purely because of his versatility. Akihiko has decent, if not great, stats in both Strength and Magic, meaning that he's not going to be hitting as hard as Junpei or Yukari in their own respective fields, but he can do both sides of the spectrum more efficiently. His Endurance and Luck are both fairly average, but Akihiko boasts one of the higher agility stats of the party.

Akihiko's skills already show this, but his skillset is extremely varied; starting out with a physical attack in Sonic Punch, a Dia for healing and Zio for electrical attacks, his next skill fills out the niche by being a debuff skill in Tarunda. Akihiko has one specific specialty to him though; enemy debuffs. Akihiko learns a lot of debuffs centered around lowering stats Tarunda, Rakunda and Sukunda for attack, defense and evasion/hit chance respectively. Because of this and his varied moveset, Akihiko is a consistently good character to have at boss fights and even the endgame, especially since his sole weakness of Ice magic is a relative rarity- especially compared to how often enemies have Zio or Garu moves.

Akihiko's Persona is Polydeuces, known as one half of the Gemini cluster. Unlike his brother, Polydeuces is a son of Zeus (Don't ask how twins can have different fathers, it's Greek mythology). Polydeuces was himself a boxer, and was part of Jason's Argonauts (During which he entered a boxing tournament and killed a tyrannical king). He and his brother have a lot of symbolism tied to horses, and Polydeuces through his connection to Zeus can claim relations with Helen.

Akihiko is voiced by Liam O'Brien, who wound up exploding in popularity soon after Persona 3's launch. Some of his more notable roles (Of which there are many, this dude's been working since at least 2001) include War in Darksiders, a near tone-perfect impersonation of Andy Serkis's Gollum in Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor, Vax in Critical Role, Asura in Asura's Wrath, 90% of the NCR in Fallout New Vegas, Grimoire Weiss in Neir and Illidan in World of Warcraft. Alongside his voice acting, he's a voice directer as well with credits in games such as Resident Evils 5 and 6, Naruto and The Last of Us.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

GoneRampant posted:

Akihiko is voiced by Liam O'Brien ... 90% of the NCR in Fallout New Vegas...

So that's the guy!

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!

Burger Flipper posted:

I think you meant you have Hermit at rank 3 now, not Strength. Seeing as Yomotsu-Shikome is a Hermit Persona.

Yeah, uh, definitely meant that. Strength 3 just happened to also get something at the same time, albeit it's technically less useful since it's Mabufu on Valkyrie. With her amazing 7 Magic that's sure getting used a bunch I'm sure. :v:

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

StandardVC10 posted:

So that's the guy!

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

We won't go quietly, the Shadows can count on that.

Kemix
Dec 1, 2013

Because change
The precious...we must have THE PRECIOUS!

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer
I really like the music that plays whilst taking tests.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

Hunt11 posted:

I really like the music that plays whilst taking tests.

The test music in Persona 5 is also pretty drat good.

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Persona 4 dropped the ball on that for just reusing the regular school theme. That said, it's still a really, really good song and it's nice to hear that song more than 4 times per playthrough!

Storm One
Jan 12, 2011

W.T. Fits posted:

The test music in Persona 5 is also pretty drat good.

It'd be even better if the track played all the way through during exams week instead of restarting every single day for no reason.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
Sorry; puttin' this on ice for a little while. How long? Until I can open the unfinished next update and not just sigh and decide to finish writing it later instead. Could be a day; could be a month. We'll see.

this wasnt an issue for sj once i decided on a real schedule because i had most of that written months in advance :ssh:

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
tartarus_0d02



Well, let's see. Yukari is Tired right now, but no one else is. We can push this a little further, I'm sure.



Mitsuru's thoroughly useless right now, so we'll just see what's up from hereon in.



Red Shadows are still around, and are just Steel Gigas x2 fights still. That's not gonna change for a while. They're still the best thing to fight for EXP though.

Mass Destruction / Wiping All Out



A bunch of the Shadows have been replaced wholesale now. There's some carry-over, but like half from before the fight against those 3 Tables are gone.

Anyway! Spurious Books were on the train before, but they're slightly different to before. For starters, they are weak to Elec now and not Fire!



Dancing Hands are ALSO around now, as regular Shadows. Sometimes Tartarus bosses are going to become random fights, sometimes they aren't. As a general rule, if it appears in a group of 3 it will reoccur; if it's solo, it won't. This isn't perfect but it's a good rule of thumb.



They're much closer to their incarnation on the train than the boss fight, though. Still not quite a 1-to-1 since they have higher Magic here and can use Bufula.



Venus Eagles are also just hanging around, but their resistances are very different to before. Not weak to Pierce, don't even Drain Fire!



A-Aki, are you... okay?



Right... uh, that's...



I guess since everyone's Tired at this point, and Akihiko's showing it more than anyone else, we should definitely just up and leave now.



Sunday's come again already? Exam week really messed with that perception.

Current Net Price Tanaka



Tanaka's selling a piece of armor this week, that presumably forms a weird set with that Katana from before. This one ALSO comes with 2 Diet Food. Definitely gonna buy it, of course.



Speaking of the Katana, it's by far the strongest weapon right now. It doesn't have Juzumaru's +20HP effect, but using it anyway.





I'm not even annoyed any more. This is just... natural, really.

There's no one else in the dorm, so we'll go out and about to see if we can find 'em.



...Nope, no one's around anywhere today. Weird. At least we can see that the Cloth sells for a decent chunk, relatively, AND we got it for free without having to track down Gold Shadows.

Joy



> Maya is not signed on.



> Maya entered the area.



...ugh, its like all she cares about is marrying me to some dude >=/
Why don't we get married?



> Maya seems happy.

dun worry... >:D i still have sum spunk left at my age, lol *^__^*
it's sexist to think women can only be happy when they're tied down. -_-#
the other nite, i got a lil drunky, and i kinda passd out @ Paulownia...



i told him to stfu, dammit!! >=(
OTL ...sry, kinda got off topic. i guess i'm a little tired =_=
but i do feel better now! xD
here tatsuya, this is for u

> Maya used a Heal Potion on Tatsuya.

> But there was no effect...



i'm trying to say thx for listening to all my bitching :P

> Maya feels like she can open up to you.

> Your relationship is stronger now!





if you see him, don't be nice! >=/ u'll know cuz he talks like a woman
alrite, i better go pratice being a good housewife for tatsuya! <3

> Maya's player signed off.



Well, that's going to be relevant later I guess...

> You decided to log off as well.





Well, now we get to see if we hit 1st place or not...

Want To Be Close / Time



Junpei looks like the world is about to end.
What happened?
Well, exam scores will be posted today, so...
He said he's gonna beg for a higher score...
Like that's gonna work.



I hear she's kinda weak... but that's just a rumor. I wonder what she's really like.
Either way, having another Persona-user can't be a bad thing!

If she ends up being really bad, I guess she can just warm the bench or something.

During the Test...



Excellent, now we'll know how well we did on the exam.



drat, that's the second best result. This still has a benefit at least...



Still not enough to get to rank 2 though? Really thought that's what would've pushed it over the edge...

Want To Be Close / Time



Let's go over the test now. The first part was the kanji dictation section...
How could any of you have got this part wrong? It was a gimme! I swear, you make me embarassed to be your teacher!
The next portion was the short essay, reacting to a passage about bullying in schools.



You could have complained about the bullying at Gekkoukan, right?
...I'm kidding, of course. There's no bullying here... None whatsoever. I'm not getting into that.
Okay, on to the next section. Many of you got this part wrong.
Now, pay attention. You were asked to write the correct conjunction in each case...
The correct answer was "and," but I gave partial credit for "however."

> You stayed up and listened to the lecture...



Notably, I don't think we were even all that close to rank 3 to begin with for Academics. It's easy to blame failing to get there on me playing fast and loose with extending Tired/Sick status but that's only part of the issue.



Well, I'm sure we'll be able to get it high enough for things in the future so we'll worry about that later.



For now, we'll just find someone who we CAN hang out with and I think Kaz is just the guy.

Joy



Unsurprisingly, Kaz didn't turn up to practice this time either...



> You see Kazushi...



Wh-What's up...? You're probably wondering where I've been...
The hospital again?
You remember what we talked about last time? ...Of course you do; you remember everything...



I just got back from the hospital... They had the results from my last exam...
H-Hey... Makoto. I...
D-Dammit! ...I can't--



Nothing here that counts as dialogue, which is fairly annoying. We're picking the first option, of course.

Thanks, Makoto...
S-Sorry to be such a pain...



...F-Funny, huh? I was trying to tie my shoes, and I fell...
It's a good thing you were around... If it had been someone else, then the rest of the team would've found out...
Thanks, man. I really appreciate it.

> Kazushi seems appreciative.

> Your relationship is stronger now!





I have to train even though practice is over... The big meet's not that far off.
...You're leaving right? Later dude, let's train together sometime...

> You decided to go back to the dorm.

Iwatodai Dorm



I'm glad the exams were easy...
Going to Tartarus really tires me out, so I can't focus on my studies like I used to.



Well, I guess that makes sense, since I've been spending all my time studying.

I like how Akihiko says this like there was something better he could've been doing with his time when he was spending it just recuperating anyway.

Oh, by the way. Mitsuru won't be back until later, so we won't be going to Tartarus today.

Well, that's fine. I wasn't really planning on it anyway.



Aw, just leave me alone, man...



When we spoke to her, she said her favorite thing about the game was being able to talk to the kids.

Yeah, I can believe it. Both parts of it, even.



And now we've finally hit Charm rank 2. I swear we'll be using these for stuff other than exams sometime in the future!



Want To Be Close / Time



Hey, how'd you do on the exams...?
I'm satisfied.
Seriously...?
Man, I'm a laughing stock... After the results were posted, I heard these two cute girls talking...



Well, I won't let it get to me!
We might be getting another girl on our team anyways!

...Yeah, I'm really not sure where anyone would get the impression that Junpei has a one-track mind. I don't see it.

Nothing else going on today, so we'll skip right to the important stuff.



Hello.
I was able to say hi to you!
I've been telling myself not to be afraid, but the more I think about it, the more scared I get...
I hope somehow I can get better at this...
Let's go out.



...I-I'll think about it, okay!?

I'm beginning to think that we can't actually hang out with Chihiro at this point. It's been 3 attempts that have all been systematically shot down.



Perhaps somewhat expectedly, Hidetoshi's hanging out over by the Faculty Office when there's no student council I see.

There's no meeting today... My day just doesn't feel the same.
Don't you agree?

S-Sure...? Anyway, we need to hang out with someone. I guess seeing Kenji's plan go up in flames is a good option.



Alright, first of all...
Never leave 'em hanging, that really makes 'em mad.
Oh, and NEVER break a promise. That's, like, the worst thing you could ever do.
And remember, chicks get jealous easily.
If your chick sees you walking home with another chickm you're dead, dude.
...Not that I have to worry about that. Emiri is the only chick I need.

Y'know what, I changed my mind. Kenji doesn't deserve attention right now.



We'll hang out with our other injured sports buddy instead.

Joy



It's for you, but he didn't know your address.
It says "Come to Iwatodai Station." What is he thinking? He skipped practice today, too!

> After practice, you go to Iwatodai Station.





In a rare moment for him, Makoto actually genuinely runs here. Odd, that.



Y-Yuko was pissed off, huh? ...Since I missed practice.
I should've told you before, but... um... the results...



The doctor said if I keep this up... I won't be able to walk anymore...
He said I put too much strain on it during practice. How pathetic...
Well, I just want to win...
Suck it up.
...Y-Yeah! That's what I was thinking!



Every minute, every second is critical! I don't have time to waste!
I promised to be the number one athlete in Japan.
Is it that important?
Well, it isn't just about me...



Living with Determination



He can't walk right now...
...but if he goes through rehab. he might be able to recover!
He says it hurts too much. though, so he doesn't want to do it...



I made a deal with my nephew that--don't laugh, alright--



So, I have to win this meet to make it to nationals.
What about your knee?
I-I appreciate your concern... but... I can't worry about that now...



Sorry for all the trouble I've caused you... especually the depressnng conversations...
It's tough to keep it all inside. You were the only one I could talk to.

> Kazushi has opened up to you.

> Your relationship is stronger now!





...tell her to talk to me directly. I don't wanna put you in the middle of this, Makoto.

> You decided to go back to the dorm.

Okay, bye!

Iwatodai Dorm



I need to get back into the swing of things. I can't leave all the fun to you guys.

Eh, we've already been to Tartarus this week. Maybe later?



The tower reaches to the skies...
*sigh* It's going to be a long and arduous journey.



I can get in close to attack, so I hardly ever miss.
But, my attack power isn't that high. I mean, I'm strong...
But there's no way I can do more damage than a sword.



It would be nice if a girl who's in the same grade as me joined...

Hey wait, where's Junpei? Don't tell me... He isn't, is he?



> You hear Junpei yelling and shouting.

Oh wow, he really is. He's actually hiding in his room! He's too scared/ashamed to face Mitsuru after bombing the test. I wonder if he'll also learn from this...



The economy seems to be on the rise again... Though a touch of inflation has led some consumers to complain.

Oh right and it's the 26th of May, so that means we can do something for Liz today.



What are you talking about? Is this some sort of riddle?
Triangular sword... A triangle...



It's not exactly a triangular sword. but the blade's cross-section does resemble a triangle.
I have a few in my room. I'll fetch one for you.

One swift fade to blue later...



Do you plan on taking up fencing?
If so, I can give you lessons once I have some spare time.



Can't use this as a regular ol' weapon in Tartarus before/after taking it to show Elizabeth, sadly. Even though it's a sword. Don't question it, okay?

The Poem For Everyone's Soul



A triangular sword... Yes, this meets the requirements for my request.
This epee was once used for the final rounds in fencing matches.
Fencers wore white uniforms so that blood from struck blows would be more visible.
Along similar lines... do you know why my clothes are blue?



...I will ask my master for the true answer.
Please accept your reward.



Now then, since we're going to be at Paulownia Mall when we leave anyway...

When The Moon's Reaching Out Stars / Way of Life



This guy wasn't around before. I wonder if he's who Maya told us about. I also swear I've seen him somewhere before. Hmm.... nah, I'm overthinking this.

There must be some handsome young man who will drive the housewives wild...
Right here.
Where? I don't see anyone. For heaven's sake, quit wasting my precious time!



> But, he does not seem to be interested in you.



Well, this is what it looks like when we run face first into a stat lock I see! Gonna need to keep an eye open for a Charm level of Smooth. Which I will definitely remember, and not promptly forget.



Before we worry about that, though, we might as well finish working on Courage since it's already so close to being done.



I gotta admit, I feel kind of relieved that I haven't hit Academics 3 yet anyway. It'd suck if we were very close to it when the exams dropped, but it's seeming pretty likely that we were still quite a ways off. Oddly relieved by that one.

Anyway, uh, let's see. We should probably spend some time soon hanging out with someone new. We've got a few that we just kinda instantly backburnered after all...

Lotus Aura fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Apr 8, 2018

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
I don't think I was meant to laugh at that Heal Potion scene as hard as I did.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
Reaches Charm lock

Immediately raises Courage and Knowledge

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

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Come to think of it, how many purposes can a katana have?

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Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Makoto encouraging that guy to keep loving up his leg is really rustling my jimmies. What sense does it make to tear up your leg to tell someone else to fix theirs?

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