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realbez posted:It was disgraceful. It's been disgraceful all year. It is really, really loving bad. It is simply getting progressively worse and worse as time goes on. Blatant ignoring of throwing the ball, not paying dropping the ball for a segment of a game then changing it. "Evening" out bad calls early in the game with later ones and above all there is ZERO accountability from the AFL about it. Honestly the entire rule book needs to be rectified and simplified to remove as much grey area as possible and then eradicate the rules committee, allowing one to sit once every two years for evaluation.
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Nutsngum posted:there is ZERO accountability from the AFL about it. This is the worst bit. No acknowledgement from the AFL that there's a problem, no recognition of fan concerns. Every conversation I have about footy is dominated by how poo poo the umpiring is. The one official public communication was WhistleBlowers, and that's been buried without a trace, probably because it put too much pressure and scrutiny on the umpiring. It's a loving joke.
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Weirdly, there used to be this segment on World of Sport called "what's your decision" where one of the umpires would get to sit down and discuss two or three incidents where he'd explain what happened and why a particular decision might've been made. I didn't pay much attention in those days because kid (I was all about the handball competition and the woodchopping) but it seems like it'd be something that'd just as instructive these days. Incorrect disposal (whether by throwing or dropping the ball after controlling) is the one that's bugging me. It seems like players will just drop the ball if they get tackled because they know they're less likely give away a free than if they make a legitimate attempt to get rid of it. Yes the game is fast moving and yes the umpires are human and aren't omniscient, but there are rules, man. It's a shame, too, because sloppy umpiring aside, this is a really good season even though my team isn't doing so great for once. Really the AFL should be prioritising a reform of the rules instead of coming up with stupid convoluted playoff systems to satisfy their "broadcasting partners" because they're scared of dead rubbers (of which there might be comparatively few this year!)
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To get the AFL to reform the rules, you're going to have to get the NFL to do it first
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The Deadly Hume posted:Really the AFL should be prioritising a reform of the rules instead of coming up with stupid convoluted playoff systems to satisfy their "broadcasting partners" because they're scared of dead rubbers (of which there might be comparatively few this year!) What's really sad is how a "play-in" system isn't really necessary in a league with a salary cap, draft and a position weighted schedule. I mean, it'll be neat to have and make the last few weeks more of a horse race, sure, but it shouldn't be needed.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:36
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I CBF tipping this round and I think I'll still come out ahead.
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Some FIFA quality acting here by Wingard https://imgur.com/a/1L4a8#FvsqCeg
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I 100% agree with everything that has been said here in regard to the umpiring. It's a loving shambles and the AFL is more worried about protecting itself from criticism than improving the system. I'm sick of hearing about how hard the game is to umpire. That's just an excuse used to gloss over the serious deficiencies in both the rules and the umpires themselves.
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I mean, to thrash this one out again, maybe it'd be better to just accept deliberate OOB as a tactical thing that takes skill to exploit like in rugby and apply similar rules (out on the full is still a free, maybe also from handpasses) and give umpires less cases where they have to think for more than a second and have to apply some subjectivity. And in some cases it does work out - when they brought back the "in the back" rule 3-4 years ago it took a while for everyone to deal with it, but with a few tweaks as well as players being more careful in that area, it's one of those rules that actually works well for marking contests.
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Jun 12, 2017 02:36
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Personally I actually think the deliberate out of bounds and deliberate rushed do more good to the game than harm, it's just the good is less noticeable than the bad. The ball being within five metres of your defensive goal line is a billion times more tense and exciting now than it was a decade ago because your defenders have to actually back themselves in to clear it, and most of the time do.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Personally I actually think the deliberate out of bounds and deliberate rushed do more good to the game than harm, it's just the good is less noticeable than the bad. I think the deliberate rushed rule has been a success for that reason. Players now seem to back themselves to clear the ball with a risky kick than to try to rushed-roulette. It just took a couple of absolute howlers to make players fearful of rushing the ball, even when they're allowed to. Deliberate OOB is still a debacle though, because it's often not at all clear whether a player meant to deliberately kick the ball out, but the umpire needs to make a decision anyway. How many other sports do umpires need to make decisions about a player's intent, rather than what they have actually done? I'd be happy to see it changed to a free kick whenever the ball goes OOB from a kick without being touched, like the SANFL. Any rule change that results in umpires doing less mind-reading, rather than more, will make the game more consistently umpired.
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racing identity posted:I think the deliberate rushed rule has been a success for that reason. Players now seem to back themselves to clear the ball with a risky kick than to try to rushed-roulette. It just took a couple of absolute howlers to make players fearful of rushing the ball, even when they're allowed to. I think that would probably be an improvement too. Include handballs in it too so you don't get 30 metre handballs for touch.
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racing identity posted:I'd be happy to see it changed to a free kick whenever the ball goes OOB from a kick without being touched, like the SANFL. Any rule change that results in umpires doing less mind-reading, rather than more, will make the game more consistently umpired.
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Solemn Sloth posted:I think that would probably be an improvement too. Include handballs in it too so you don't get 30 metre handballs for touch. This is easily the best option. But as if the AFL is competent enough to figure that out.
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I think holding the ball is a bigger issue right now. I feel like the deliberate thing is gradually sorting itself out. It is way better than it was in the first few weeks anyway. I'm sure I'm noticing it a lot because the Hawks are rarely in possession, but tackles go largely unrewarded. Players will literally drop the ball as soon as they feel contact and that's considered play on. They know that if they drop it or throw it or just place it on the ground they are unlikely to be pinged. Even after taking multiple steps and having ample oppurtunity to get rid of it. And then when one player finally gets pinged, often after barely any oppurtunity, everyone is left wondering what the gently caress the rule is. Maybe allowing this dropping poo poo is to keep the game moving but it is ugly and frustrating and leaves a rule that appears to only get applied occasionally and randomly.
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Jun 12, 2017 04:02
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That's something I've never really understood only watching footy for the last few years. If you drop the ball and don't kick it after having prior opportunity how is that not incorrect disposal every time?
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So if the Dees win today against an injury ravaged Magpies they will move from 10th on the ladder to 6th So that should all but guarantee a Collingwood win.
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snaeksikn posted:So if the Dees win today against an injury ravaged Magpies they will move from 10th on the ladder to 6th Yeah, lol at anyone tipping melbourne
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On the other hand, after 3 wins in a row the Queen's Birthday game is exactly the game Collingwood would drop to put Buckley back under the pump
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realbez posted:I think holding the ball is a bigger issue right now. I feel like the deliberate thing is gradually sorting itself out. It is way better than it was in the first few weeks anyway. Yeah, it's completely ridiculous some of the poo poo that gets called play on.
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NTRabbit posted:On the other hand, after 3 wins in a row the Queen's Birthday game is exactly the game Collingwood would drop to put Buckley back under the pump It's basically ultimate warrior vs hulk hogan, the irresistible force vs the immovable object.  Well done Number 2!
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BT: "The only time Gilly would've seen ice is at the afterparty when Australia won a test match"
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So who is Eddie McGuire going to joke about drowning this year? A
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Solemn Sloth posted:It's basically ultimate warrior vs hulk hogan, the irresistible force vs the immovable object. or perhaps the unflushable turd vs the unblockable toilet
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Man i'm real nervous about this game. NFI how i'll deal with finals when we eventually make it.
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Melbourne are going to win, FYI Hello to everyone quoting this when they don't
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Didn't realise that Fasolo was back this week. That is cool and good.
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jesus gently caress tom you almost hosed that up you dumb poo poo
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Garlett just hauling Melbourne to a goal there despite the best efforts of his team mates
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melbourne up by 7 at 3 quarter time. thanks for that bt
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I'm at work. gently caress qld
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I can't even watch the stream at work because they changed our wifi and won't tell us the password and channel 7 apparently can't stream it through plus 7 so they put on border security re runs instead
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lol after all the bullshit that gets not paid as dropping the ball, frost gets a loving clear as day handball away and gets pinged.
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gay picnic defence posted:melbourne up by 7 at 3 quarter time. thanks for that bt according to Hamish it was a 7 goal lead at quarter time.
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