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buglord posted:Really though like, are private health hearings common? Is it a partisan action to keep them private/public? What's the stated reasoning for keeping them private? Lack of obstruction? They don't want the plebes to know what they are doing until it's too late to stop. They railed and railed against the ACA process, which had hundreds of hearings and the GOP was allowed to put in over 200 amendments to the bill. Now that the GOP is running the show, they suddenly don;t seem to care.
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Spaced God posted:I dunno if this was mentioned but uhhh CA Attorney General Xavier Becerra (and several other state AGs) are coming out strongly with the argument that only Congress can screw around with existing national monuments. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-california-monuments-20170608-story.html
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Jun 12, 2017 21:15
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evilweasel posted:Important bills go through a public committee process where people can debate and amend the bill. The hearings aren't even happening, not that they're happening in private. The reason is because this is going to be crazy unpopular and crazy bad and they want to shove it through before people can react. Its also why they secretly sent it to the CBO. When the CBO announces how evil their bill is, they hope they can rush it to the floor and vote while yelling that the CBO is wrong before anyone has a chance to react.
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Jun 12, 2017 21:17
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skylined! posted:iirc he can't, but he can ask sessions to Oh God Trump is going to privately tell Sessions to fire Mueller or he's fired then fire Sessions publically for firing Mueller, isn't he. The biggest best bus-throwing ever.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:My favorite "why is trump coy about the tapes" theory is that trump 100% had his big mouth leak a huge state secret about a way he knows there is tapes and now he's trapped not being able to admit in public that we secretly implant audio recording nanobots into government employees or that every iphone sends all ambient sound to the NSA or all the whitehouse wifi names are fake and are just a grid of microwaves to track mouth movement that AI can turn into speech to spy on visitors or whatever super crazy thing that trump burned accidently during a twitter pissing match. I doubt it's anything so nefarious. It's probably uncut audio of Donald Trump, and while it's nothing illegal it probably would make for awful soundbites
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evilweasel posted:As Chuck Todd said, turning the existence of tapes that confirm one side's story in a criminal investigation into a game show is not exactly good crisis management. The Trump Administration wants the Russia story to go away. Well, we're talking about the same dude who praised Sean Spicer for getting "good ratings," while completely ignoring the public's inherent fascination with watching a man die on live television on a weekly basis.
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evilweasel posted:As Chuck Todd said, turning the existence of tapes that confirm one side's story in a criminal investigation into a game show is not exactly good crisis management. The Trump Administration wants the Russia story to go away. Well sure, but Trump's #1 goal in life seems to be for all eyes to be on him.
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evilmiera posted:Every single time they released that info before it pissed everyone off royally. Like to the point it almost lead to physical violence in town hall meetings.
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Charliegrs posted:And killed 11,000 Africans but LOL who cares right? And one of those infected Africans actually made it to Texas and a few nurses got infected with it in a hospital in the states but nope it wasn't a big deal and I'm sure Trump would have handled it better. We do not. The acting director is an Admiral in the health services who has been with CDC for decades. The Health Services by the way, are in a perpetual fight with NOAA for the least remembered US uniformed service.
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farraday posted:The Health Services by the way, are in a perpetual fight with NOAA for the least remembered US uniformed service. They're both winning.
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Oracle posted:Oh God Trump is going to privately tell Sessions to fire Mueller or he's fired then fire Sessions publically for firing Mueller, isn't he. The biggest best bus-throwing ever. sessions will say "i recused myself but my good buddy rob rosenstein would be happy to either get fired or take the heat for that"
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evilweasel posted:Important bills go through a public committee process where people can debate and amend the bill. The hearings aren't even happening, not that they're happening in private. The reason is because this is going to be crazy unpopular and crazy bad and they want to shove it through before people can react. This is how big legislation is going to get passed from now on. It was actually pretty inevitable.
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buglord posted:How do less wealthy conservatives feel about this? At the end of the day, you can vote the health and rights away from others, but you still have to protect yourself? Supporting a government that supports a bill that might kill you doesn't seem like self preservation. I'd imagine there's a lot of blind faith being put into the bill? I could understand this if conservatives were nonhuman and somehow immune from disease and disability, but they're just as biologically bound to mortality like everyone else, especially if they too are poor. they won't get sick because they're Good People we live in a Just World and Everything Happens for a Reason and even if they die God Works in Mysterious Ways and also Heaven is for Real so there is no bad outcome possible
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evilweasel posted:As Chuck Todd said, turning the existence of tapes that confirm one side's story in a criminal investigation into a game show is not exactly good crisis management. The Trump Administration wants the Russia story to go away. My current theory is that Trump can't remember whether he made recordings or not, and everyone else can't get a straight answer from him.
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buglord posted:How do less wealthy conservatives feel about this? At the end of the day, you can vote the health and rights away from others, but you still have to protect yourself? Supporting a government that supports a bill that might kill you doesn't seem like self preservation. I'd imagine there's a lot of blind faith being put into the bill? I could understand this if conservatives were nonhuman and somehow immune from disease and disability, but they're just as biologically bound to mortality like everyone else, especially if they too are poor. If they can see "those people" burning then they're happy.
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Jun 12, 2017 21:27
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Mister Mind posted:CA Attorney General Xavier Becerra (and several other state AGs) are coming out strongly with the argument that only Congress can screw around with existing national monuments. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-california-monuments-20170608-story.html Department of the Interior gets to decide how land is used in national parks, though.
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mcmagic posted:This is how big legislation is going to get passed from now on. It was actually pretty inevitable. Democrats want their legislation to actually work, so a process that improves the bill is beneficial.
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evilweasel posted:Democrats want their legislation to actually work, so a process that improves the bill is beneficial. Actually the way they passed they ACA probably made the bill worse.
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The ACA was also widely unpopular at the time of it's passage and for years after the fact. Republicans can just cite that poo poo whenever this is brought up, so it's not the silver bullet I want it to be.
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Jun 12, 2017 21:29
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Chilichimp posted:Department of the Interior gets to decide how land is used in national parks, though. National Monuments aren't National Parks. Also the Interior department is restrained in how they manage and sell land by law. They can't just sell Yellowstone to Disney, for example.
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Trabisnikof posted:National Monuments aren't National Parks. Also the Interior department is restrained in how they manage and sell land by law. They can't just sell Yellowstone to Disney, for example. Yeah, but they can decide that... truck muddin' is now okay in this part of the monument, etc. Sort of like how they say grazing is a-ok on these public lands for X dates or w/e.
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Chilichimp posted:The ACA was also widely unpopular at the time of it's passage and for years after the fact. Then ask them why they want to repeal a law that has such broad popular support.
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Alter Ego posted:Then ask them why they want to repeal a law that has such broad popular support. You and I know why. They think they know better than the low information voters. You know, the same type of capital elitism they accused the Democrats of for the last 8 loving years.
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Oracle posted:Oh God Trump is going to privately tell Sessions to fire Mueller or he's fired then fire Sessions publically for firing Mueller, isn't he. The biggest best bus-throwing ever.
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https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/874362882921811968 Remember when you had a president that could speak knowledgeably about policy? Good times
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Chilichimp posted:Yeah, but they can decide that... truck muddin' is now okay in this part of the monument, etc. They can't just decide that willy-nilly, no. It depends on the land classification. Land owned by BLM or USFS in public trust isn't the same as a national monument or a federal wilderness area or etc. The rules on what activities the surface management agency can/must allow varies depending on those land classifications. For example, if I find gold in a National Forest, the USFS must allow me to mine it. If I find gold in a National Park or National Monument, the NPS or other SMA would have to jump through a bunch of legal hoops with me to allow me to mine. A vastly different proposition for operators. The whole point of declaring these areas National Monuments instead of just being land owned by the BLM/USFS is explicitly to reduce the regulatory scope for commercial activity on those lands. The intent was to tie the hands of the BLM and USFS to prevent them from being allowed/forced into permitting economic activity in those areas.
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awesmoe posted:https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/874362882921811968 Obama having press conferences about the bill didn't make it better though. And it didn't help sell it to the public either.
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 Trabisnikof posted:They can't just decide that willy-nilly, no. It depends on the land classification. Land owned by BLM or USFS in public trust isn't the same as a national monument or a federal wilderness area or etc. The rules on what activities the surface management agency can/must allow varies depending on those land classifications. Cool, these are things I hadn't considered, thanks for the info.
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awesmoe posted:Remember when you had a president that could speak FTFY
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Creeping fascism update: https://mobile.twitter.com/jeneps/status/874362612015910912
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Crabtree posted:Is that a toad or rat burger? Cow pie.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:My current theory is that Trump can't remember whether he made recordings or not, and everyone else can't get a straight answer from him. It's supposed to be reference to Trump's claim the Obama administration and the DOJ were wiretapping him. Except nobody takes that poo poo seriously, but after Watergate everybody takes the concept of the President recording all his meetings seriously. It's a hilarious self own that only an idiotic and unprepared administration would fall into. Simplex fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/874364202957369344 No tapes, just threats
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LaserShark posted:FTFY God drat, even Bush qualifies here, and that's scary as gently caress.
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Chilichimp posted:The ACA was also widely unpopular at the time of it's passage and for years after the fact. Which led to massive GOP gains in the House and Senate; if we get a mirror of 2010 in 2018 then maybe things will be ok!
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DaveWoo posted:Creeping fascism update: Typical liberals who think you can reason with a Völkischer Beobachter reporter.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/874364202957369344 Ironically, this works out better for Trump because it keeps Comey's testimony in the "he said/he said" category.
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DaveWoo posted:Creeping fascism update: Again: That's actually way more 'inappropriate' than I'd expect from the modern GOP.
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