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Mr Interweb posted:Yeah, I just saw that. poo poo like that is getting pretty worriesome. There's already a substantial portion of White people who will happily defend the Confederacy on the grounds that it has everything to with "Southern" culture, except that whole slavery thing. Going to bat for Nazis from there is just a hop, skip and jump away. uhm about that. http://www.dorkly.com/post/83711/nazi-pissboys-are-crying-over-a-new-game-where-you-murder-nazis
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How are we still treating the idea of Republicans reacting to Trump's crimes by actually turning on him instead of ignoring him and frantically rewriting the rules of Democracy in their own favor as any thing other than absolute nonsense This entire board as an endless cycle of "lol that won't ever happen" *poo poo happens*
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Hollismason posted:Why do people think Mueller is on his way out? https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/874398128937418752
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Dapper_Swindler posted:uhm about that. https://twitter.com/pattymo/status/874349539683172355
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I do not like to think about what would happen if he did fire Mueller and congress decided to do nothing about it. Our dark timeline has recently been taking a few turns through a few of the hopeful / humorous forks in the road, but that would set us back down a pretty dark branch again.
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evilweasel posted:With the current regulations, he must order the Attorney General (in this case, Rosenstein, since Sessions is "recused") to fire Mueller. He can instead, however, abolish the regulations themselves, then fire Mueller himself. How much leeway does the president have to just abolish regulations he doesn't like? It's not a power I've really heard about presidents using before. Can he literally abolish any law that needed presidential approval in the first place, or is it more complicated than that?
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And yet it's just because of his disease. He can't stand to be criticized and can only tolerate praise.
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To the "nothing matters" brigade. I think it's worth pointing out that the Intelligence community has it in for Trump and so far the reason they have limited themselves to a stead drip drip of leaks has been because they are trying to use as light a hand as they can and keep things operating within the normal legal framework. If Trump thwarts the legal process I have no doubt that the leaks will become a deluge with far more damning evidence than what has been hinted at thus far.
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NRVNQSR posted:How much leeway does the president have to just abolish regulations he doesn't like? It's not a power I've really heard about presidents using before. Can he literally abolish any law that needed presidential approval in the first place, or is it more complicated than that? These regulations are internal DOJ regulations about how the DOJ operates. They are not law, or formal regulations passed by a regulatory agency. Trump can't unilaterally abolish laws or formal regulations, but he can abolish these internal regulations.
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Spiritus Nox posted:How are we still treating the idea of Republicans reacting to Trump's crimes by actually turning on him instead of ignoring him and frantically rewriting the rules of Democracy in their own favor as any thing other than absolute nonsense I have no idea. There is no longer any accountability, and the social contract is pretty close to dead. The only thing that's keeping us running at the moment is inertia.
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Get the gently caress in. Burn it all you Cheeto.
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evilweasel posted:These regulations are internal DOJ regulations about how the DOJ operates. They are not law, or formal regulations passed by a regulatory agency. Trump can't unilaterally abolish laws or formal regulations, but he can abolish these internal regulations. Ah, so they're regulations that were created entirely within the executive, without any legislative involvement? That makes sense, thanks!
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evilweasel posted:Going to bat for him firing Mueller is so obviously corrupt it will hurt their standing with Republicans. Not with most republicans, but with a decent amount. It will burn them with everyone else.
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Skex posted:To the "nothing matters" brigade. I think it's worth pointing out that the Intelligence community has it in for Trump and so far the reason they have limited themselves to a stead drip drip of leaks has been because they are trying to use as light a hand as they can and keep things operating within the normal legal framework. Even if this is true, I don't think you can blame people for being uncomfortable with the state intelligence apparatus having this much control or influence. If we ever actually reach that point then the federal government is legitimately broken.
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Yeah, I am honestly not sure what would happen if Mueller was fired.
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NoDamage posted:How much damage did firing Comey actually do? It sounds like Republicans are still entirely on board with Trump, McConnell and Ryan are still defending his every action. Remember a few weeks ago when everyone said firing Comey would be so obviously corrupt that Trump would never do it because the Republicans would turn on him? Well, he did, and they haven't. Why would firing Mueller be any different? There's a reason his disapproval is at near 60%, a plurality of the country wants him impeached, there's a Special Counsel, and the GOP is panicked enough that they're starting to consider if 'Burn as much poo poo as we can before 2018 and inevitable destruction' might be the best strategy.
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I know it will never happen in a million, bazillion years, but how amazing would it be if Sessions got up in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee and opened the floodgates on Trump as retaliation for all of his recent judicial dick-fuckery. Like, just recites the "Tears In Rain" speech from Blade Runner and just goes. Like a little racist rocket of truth.
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Sinteres posted:He cares about the Russia investigation,and has nothing to lose. He's never going to be the bipartisan hero liberals want him to be, but he has a core set of interests that he actually cares about, and this relates to that.
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Hollismason posted:Yeah, I am honestly not sure what would happen if Mueller was fired.
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Night10194 posted:There's a reason his disapproval is at near 60%, a plurality of the country wants him impeached, there's a Special Counsel, and the GOP is panicked enough that they're starting to consider if 'Burn as much poo poo as we can before 2018 and inevitable destruction' might be the best strategy. It's weird how this thread didn't give up "republicans LOVE trump and will do ANYTHING for him" after the health care bill totally failed the first time and republican judges blocked his travel ban over and over. Like republicans stick together, but we already have seen limits to that. They stidk with trump way more than is remotely sane but we already see cases he isn't god king who can wave his hand and have everyone to do as he says because he's an R and they are an R.
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Oh my god, just loving try it you fat turd.
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Banks are.................... good? https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/874417719629795328 I know banks aren't actually good, and I think corporations withdrawing advertising for news they don't like is going to have consequences liberals won't like, but gently caress Megyn Kelly promoting Alex Jones.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It's weird how this thread didn't give up "republicans LOVE trump and will do ANYTHING for him" after the health care bill totally failed the first time and republican judges blocked his travel ban over and over. Like republicans stick together, but we already have seen limits to that. They stidk with trump way more than is remotely sane but we already see cases he isn't god king who can wave his hand and have everyone to do as he says because he's an R and they are an R.
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citybeatnik posted:gently caress, my 50-something year old father still thinks that. And also thinks that it's called a progressive tax because Progressives came up with it. This is why I call it marginal taxation when talking about the concept, anything with progressive in it is a posioned well
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Also, the AHCA isn't "Trump's Bill." I don't think Trump has ever read it and I know he doesn't understand it. Trump is a hand to hold a pen, the AHCA was Ryan and the far right's baby.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Also, the AHCA isn't "Trump's Bill." I don't think Trump has ever read it and I know he doesn't understand it. Trump is a hand to hold a pen, the AHCA was Ryan and the far right's baby. Calling it Trumpcare will make for better attack ads than calling it Ryancare though.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-when-trump-said-hed-testify-he-didnt-mean-to-congress?via=desktop&source=copyurlquote:White House: When Trump Said He’d Testify, He Didn’t Mean to Congress
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Spiritus Nox posted:Also, the AHCA isn't "Trump's Bill." I don't think Trump has ever read it and I know he doesn't understand it. Trump is a hand to hold a pen, the AHCA was Ryan and the far right's baby. Trpnwas all about it because then he could brag that he killed Obamacare and bask in the adulation. He has no idea what's in it.
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In the unlikely event that Trump is dragged from the White House in handcuffs a week before midterms and half of Congress is lying too low to even campaign, there will still be a thread full of "If THAT didn't matter....." posters. Just get used to it.
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Sinteres posted:Calling it Trumpcare will make for better attack ads than calling it Ryancare though. If we ever start living in a world where things matter, we should absolutely call this Ryancare. Trump has his hands in enough lovely pots on his own, but AHCA is and long has been mainstream republican policy - they've just been able to hide that from the public because they never had the power to enact it. That needs to end. The public has to understand that the evil in the GOP did not roll in with Donald.
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This Mueller firing talk has me spooked. Their whole narrative since Comey's hearing has been some real doublethink poo poo, spinning it like it actually *cleared* Trump of suspicion. Makes me worry all this plus Sessions going in to testify has been to build this narrative that the matter is sealed and there doesn't need to be a special counsel.
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Spiritus Nox posted:If we ever start living in a world where things matter, we should absolutely call this Ryancare. Trump has his hands in enough lovely pots on his own, but AHCA is and long has been mainstream republican policy - they've just been able to hide that from the public because they never had the power to enact it. That needs to end. The public has to understand that the evil in the GOP did not roll in with Donald. Trump's going to dominate headlines no matter what, so tying the whole party to him is more effective than a 'those other guys are also bad, independently of him' strategy.
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There has to be one weird trick to unlock full communism now in trump's "everything is on the table" negotiation strategy
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nachos posted:There has to be one weird trick to unlock full communism now in trump's "everything is on the table" negotiation strategy
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It's weird how this thread didn't give up "republicans LOVE trump and will do ANYTHING for him" after the health care bill totally failed the first time and republican judges blocked his travel ban over and over. Like republicans stick together, but we already have seen limits to that. They stidk with trump way more than is remotely sane but we already see cases he isn't god king who can wave his hand and have everyone to do as he says because he's an R and they are an R. Judges are way more independent than congressmen.
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I have a feeling that if Trump fires Mueller you'll start to see a lot of leaks from a lot of intelligence services. Including the NATO ones that have a boatload of dirt on Trump. Then Trump will nuke someone to distract the media.
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I really don't think this kind of thing matters all that much in the long run, but if you want to hurt the GOP then I think tying the AHCA to Trump is the way to go. Trump is already toxic, he's probably going to be more toxic in three years, and if he ends up facing impeachment he's going to be downright radioactive. Tie his name around this bill like an anchor and force the GOP to defend it all the way to the bottom.
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Spite posted:I have a feeling that if Trump fires Mueller you'll start to see a lot of leaks from a lot of intelligence services. Including the NATO ones that have a boatload of dirt on Trump. we've already seen that
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