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mlmp08 posted:Pilot apparently OK, but that plane is jacked up. Seeing those warbirds get busted up is such a drat shame.
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Yeah I'm glad the pilot is fine but such a drat shame about the plane
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a dingus posted:Seeing those warbirds get busted up is such a drat shame. No doubt there's some rear end in a top hat collector who just grinned and striked out a line on his list "One more down, value increased"
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Humphreys posted:No doubt there's some rear end in a top hat collector who just grinned and striked out a line on his list "One more down, value increased" More like: No doubt there's some rear end in a top hat collector who just grinned and took out a loan for the spitfire project going on the market soon.
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Humphreys posted:No doubt there's some rear end in a top hat collector who just grinned and striked out a line on his list "One more down, value increased" How soon is too soon to say "hey I saw you crashed your plane, too bad about that, hey I've been building one from parts, did <thing> survive?"
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Buttcoin purse posted:How soon is too soon to say "hey I saw you crashed your plane, too bad about that, hey I've been building one from parts, did <thing> survive?" Now I'm trying to pick which people ran out for parts and which ones were to save the pilot. I'm joking of course.
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Every Spit flying today is a total restoration anyway, some are completely fabricated around a Merlin block and a plate fragment with a valid serial number. That plane will definitely fly again, even if most of its parts won't.
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Theseus' warbird
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A loaded group of collectors/restoration facility needs to spend countless millions making an SR-71 flyable.
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cowboy elvis posted:A loaded group of collectors/restoration facility needs to spend countless millions making a 
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Tell Paul Allen he can have one if he can fly it to his museum. If it's possible, those birds will fly.
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cowboy elvis posted:A loaded group of collectors/restoration facility needs to spend countless millions making an B-58 flyable.
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X-70 God dammit Musk. Get ON that poo poo. 
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Make a 1/10 scale model SR-71 but source real J-58s. Set some records with your new space ship.
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Ola posted:Every Spit flying today is a total restoration anyway, some are completely fabricated around a Merlin block and a plate fragment with a valid serial number. That plane will definitely fly again, even if most of its parts won't. Is the SN from an original airframe required to build one? Or can you build a 100% repro and register it as a spitfire?
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Those planes were designed to have a service life of like 45 minutes, I bet the designers and maintainers from back then would be seriously amused at our efforts to keep them flying 70 years on.
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Mazz posted:Make a 1/10 scale model SR-71 but source real J-58s. I know for a fact Pratt has, on hand, brand new J58 engines with zero hours on them. They're kept for any instances where 1) the Blackbird gets reactivated, 2) they need to test an old part for design efficacy in a new engine, or 3) someone realizes that they don't have drawings for a component and they have to reverse engineer it.
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Here's some truly insane aeronautical activities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IikW5AZEmQ
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The j-58 isn't the magic part of that engine. The nacelle and bypass ducts were the magic bits.... Not that the J-58 is a slouch. The SR-71 airframe flew with two engine combinations. The J-58 was the "designed for engine core" The plane could still do mach 2 with the original "testing" engines. "wikipedia posted:The first five A-12s, in 1962, were initially flown with Pratt & Whitney J75 engines capable of 17,000 lbf (76 kN) thrust each, enabling the J75-equipped A-12s to obtain speeds of approximately Mach 2.0. On 5 October 1962, with the newly developed J58 engines, an A-12 flew with one J75 engine, and one J58 engine. By early 1963, the A-12 was flying with J58 engines, and during 1963 these J58-equipped A-12s obtained speeds of Mach 3.2.[16] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A-12 I still want to see a homebuilt plane break mach. I wish the machbuster prop plane project hadn't died.
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um excuse me posted:They're kept for any instances where 1) the Blackbird gets reactivated I understand that these are english words but they can't possibly mean anything. This is wishful thinking on the level of teenage russian youtube commenters.
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Well remember the engines were mothballed a long time ago. While it may have been an initial reason, it's probably not as relevant today.
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a dingus posted:Is the SN from an original airframe required to build one? Or can you build a 100% repro and register it as a spitfire? I don't know for sure, but I guess the market value would suffer if it didn't have some history and you'd lose a bunch of money on the build. And of course, I was using a spot of hyperbole there.
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Do any Tomcats fly on the air show circuit?
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Weren't all F-14 spare parts in American inventories destroyed to make sure they never find their way into perfidious Persian hands?
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TTerrible posted:AFAIK the only flying F-14s belong to Iran. Well does the Iranian Airforce do airshows? Or is that more a thing with mainly western airforces?
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Aeronautical Insanity Wiki: http://innopedia.wikidot.com/, use this to browse Example of pants-on-head ideas: http://innopedia.wikidot.com/the-airborne-metro  Let's build a huge fleet of nuclear-powered Ace Combat rejects and have them looping around major population centers, normal airliners would serve as shuttle between them and the airports. http://innopedia.wikidot.com/off-shore-airports Floating airports, so that you can rotate the runway. Like an aircraft carrier, but the size of a real air port, and also each part is a different floating hull. Works fine with seaport too, we gotta put that in the bullet point just in case we have to market our idea to the 1930s. Unfortunately, many of the most intriguing looking ideas ("funnel airport", "banked runway", "torus airship", etc.) are blanked.
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There may be a few Blackbirds still sitting around on display and some spare engines at P&W, but I think we burned up all the JP-7 years ago and there's no facility currently set up to produce it.
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I think there are other unicorn fluids/chemicals and poo poo that goes in the blackbird would be just as hard, if not harder to replace than the JP7. I recall the mid 90s reactivation had some pretty big hurdles, not the least of which was tank sealant. I also heard an interview from someone who was in the SR program about the retirement and the guy basically said all of the ones on display had major airframe structures cut.. stuff like spars. I think he said the one in U-H is possibly the only one that isn't hacked in some way but wasn't positive. slidebite fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Sagebrush posted:There may be a few Blackbirds still sitting around on display and some spare engines at P&W, but I think we burned up all the JP-7 years ago and there's no facility currently set up to produce it. There was an instance a few years ago where we ran one. I have no idea what it ran on though if that's true.
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slidebite posted:I think he said the one in U-H is possibly the only one that isn't hacked in some way but wasn't positive. I'd argue that the most intact Blackbirds are the two at Edwards AFTC. Those were simply trucked over to their display spots after being the last two to fly. Also I think I found something that might cause this thread to finally tear itself apart...  
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Did they do JATO takeoffs with it like they used to do with their C-130?
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Kebbins posted:Also I think I found something that might cause this thread to finally tear itself apart... What have they done to its nose
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No need for jato when it already shoots flames: https://youtu.be/taU6qu5pXBo
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a dingus posted:Or can you build a 100% repro and register it as a spitfire? Data plate fig leaf aside, generally no, but with some cool exceptions. - The Hughes H-1 racer replica that crashed some 10-15 years ago was built to such exacting accuracy that the FAA granted it Hughes H-1 type, serial number 2. - in the 90's Yakovlev built a batch of Yak 9's on leftover jigs they had laying around. Since they were built by the original company, by any sensible measure they're real Yak 9's. They used Allison engines though. vessbot fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Weren't all F-14 spare parts in American inventories destroyed to make sure they never find their way into perfidious Persian hands? Yes, though somehow Iran still seems to be able to source parts from unknown sources - not enough to keep their operational fleet higher than high-single/low-double digits, but the only possibility is that they've got factories in JINAAA churning out the occasional reverse-engineered part when needed, because the other possibility is NorGrum (doesn't have the same punch as LockMart) is dealing under the table through shell companies.
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I highly doubt NG would bother with something like that since it's worth so little and any reporting on it would loving murder them. The political fallout from dealing with countries like North Korea or Iran in this political climate isn't worth a couple million in parts sales.
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Mazz posted:I highly doubt NG would bother with something like that since it's worth so little and any reporting on it would loving murder them. The political fallout from dealing with countries like North Korea or Iran in this political climate isn't worth a couple million in parts sales. It could be worth it to an individual, but they’d have squirreled parts away before the planned destruction, not make new ones.
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