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I thought Dougie's scribbles were literal depictions of how each insurance case was faked.
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When the boss looked at two pages together and then a photograph, I thought that it looked like they were actually drawings of the street (the "ladders" looked like sidewalk, the "stairs" looked like grass, the lines and circles looked like street lamps), and the boss was able to see that sales were being duplicated across multiple houses. I admit it's a stretch. Someone could make screen grabs and look closer.
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I hope Ike continues to be a weird drop in from Hotline Miami with brutal trip-hop murders.
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Hip hop midget murder has gotten the biggest laugh out of me the entire series so far. Like, full on belly laugh. God that was spectacular.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Were his scribblings supposed to have any meaning clear to us? Was he drawing lines between names or figures? I assume he was drawing some Black Lodge poo poo but are we supposed to know what he was putting onto that paper which was satisfactory to his boss? I wasn't paying close enough attention when I watched it last night, but Internet Comments pointed out (and I saw them on rewatch) that there were little glowing green lights on Dougie's insurance homework, just like the Red Room indicators over the slot machines. Dougie's doodle code apparently had great significance for his boss regarding whatever possible insurance fraud Tom Sizemore's character might be committing.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:56
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This is a kinda cool easter-egg someone found on another forum. The CEO guy who sends the hitman envelope after the red square appears on his laptop has an email open with generic finance advice employing stairs as an easy metaphor for income statements: "To understand how income statements are set up, think of them as a set of stairs."
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Jun 13, 2017 01:59
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I'm loving every minute of this. Janey-e is my favorite new character and a good counter example against criticisms of the treatment of women. I like how FWWM is so relevant and David Lynch is standing by it and not sweeping it under the rug.
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Jun 13, 2017 02:12
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TrixRabbi posted:He lost his shoes in the lodge and now he's walking a mile in another man's shoes. His sole is in the lodge and the shoes make the man. New shoes. / 
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HD DAD posted:Hip hop midget murder has gotten the biggest laugh out of me the entire series so far. Like, full on belly laugh. God that was spectacular. Yes. I loving lost it the second he ran into her office. Count me in with the people who are pretty tuned out to the Dougie plotline, though. I appreciate why a lot of you like it, but it feels so stagnant to me thus far. Outside of Naomi Watts and the murder-dwarf, they're both wonderful.
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Jun 13, 2017 02:54
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I just hope we get the payoff of Dougie turning back into sane Coop. Then all of it will be worth it.
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Jun 13, 2017 02:57
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Looking forward to the Red/Shelly romance plot
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I'm impressed by how much David Lynch and co. are getting out of the Dougie storyline. I thought it was getting old at the end of the 4th episode but it's gotten a lot deeper and more engaging than the one dimensional joke it started out as. I get why some people don't like it, but maybe you'll enjoy it more if you think about how much worse it could be.
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Jun 13, 2017 03:30
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What happens if when coop was zeroxed outta the socket as senpai coop, realizes jade is a callgirl, has some snappy one liners, then gets killed by the assassins on his way out.
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Well, it's seems like poo poo is hitting the fan with regards to how long Dougie/Cooper is going to be allowed to continue sleepwalking like he currently is - and I do think "sleepwalking" is perhaps the best term. The episode description/title for this was "Don't Die", which is one of two things Gerard was saying to Cooper in his vision. And it's the more interesting of two statements, since the relative meaning of "wake up" seems pretty self-evident, at the moment. "Don't die" would seem to refer to the psychotic murdering midget with an ice pick/screwdriver/whatever who is on his way to murder him. To say that Dougie/Coop currently lacks the necessary cognitive skills to comprehend such an attack, let alone be able to react quickly and appropriately enough to survive, would seem to be an understatement. It would require some bizarre string of highly improbable events to save him, at this point. But then, it would seem quite absurdly unlikely that probability would allow for Dougie/Coop to win all of those jackpots, too - but that happened. You know it's funny, but what it makes me think of is quantum mechanics and particle theory and so forth. I am ~very~ much a layman regarding this sort of a thing, but I at least am able to grasp the concept of Schrodinger's Cat, which I think is all that's probably necessary here, more or less. What I'm thinking is that going by the Mr. Jackpots scenes, it would seem that the Lodge is able to effect the laws/probabilities that govern matter in our world - make the next spin attempt on a certain slot machine always hit the jackpot, even though by every law we know it is literally impossible. They'd be able to intuitively choose whether the cat lives or dies, controlling the outcome from outside the 'box', which in this metaphor is our world. And if the Red Room/Lodges/etc really exist outside our universe (think of the entire world as the cat in the box) then perhaps it's apt to a certain degree, that they have some ability to effect the way matter interacts because they exist literally entirely apart from the fabric of our reality. Or that Cooper has retained some ability to have that information communicated to him. I am really not entirely sure what I am talking or where I am going here, and I sure as hell don't really understand quantum mechanics (does anybody, totally?) but stuff like travel occuring via means of electricity kinda makes me think of similar ideas - matter and energy being interchangeable, that energy being transferred via electricity, that despite how hosed up all of this appears there also seems to be some fundamental set of laws governing things - all the way down to the minute, judging by how well-known the intended time for the Cooper Doppleganger switch was to occur before it got hosed up. I dunno, that's all I got right now. kaworu fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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I find the recurring motif's of '6', and '7', interesting. I suspect two separate supernatural groups, that somewhat coopoperate, are at work in the show; 6 being the old crew, 7 being the new. If this is true, then box demon, nervous boss, crime casino, ice-pick man (who is constantly rolling dice, thematically ties in to casino and 7 as 7 is the most likely number when you roll 2 dice), dougie's new job, all are part of a new supernatural faction. The old supernatural faction being so far Evil Truck and its pet man, cocaine wizard, Nasty cop, and evil coop. Did anyone notice in bullet ridden magician machine gun man land that the tails side of the coin he was flipping had the same symbol as the symbol over the house next to duggies exploding car? The line with two intersecting lines going through it? I'm not sure what that motif means yet. Perhaps sacrifice? Or addiction? Oh poo poo the radio show starts at 7 o clock and there was specifically a supernatural light like the things new-coop see's over it, im worried for jacoby now. Perhaps the 6/7 divide is a commentary on twin peaks domestic violence VS impersonal, isolated, indiscriminate, violence? Bystanders killed like the women killed by ice pick man, or the car jackers blown up by the bomb? All the motif's with anonymous envelopes, cryptic messages carried across computers, games of chance, people terrified of vast unknown conspiracies. Rob Filter fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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The lodge has always seemed to exist outside of time and space (Laura dreams about telling Coop who killed her, and writes about it in her diary BEFORE she dies, for example) so I just figured it was as simple as Coop was seeing what was always going to be the next machine to jackpot, as opposed to the lodge actually MAKING them jackpot, if that makes any sense.
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If the lodge is outside time, they'd know exactly when to flag a machine for Cooper to hit it when the RNG will produce a winner. That's how I interpreted it. That's kind of how I'm interpreting his sleepwalking, too. They fired a pinball into the machine knowing its entire path beforehand but they can only get him so far. Cooper's free will is the x-factor they'll need to supersede the opposition's similarly advantaged perspective. It is indeed time for him to wake up because he's about to die.
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Baloogan posted:What happens if when coop was zeroxed outta the socket as senpai coop, realizes jade is a callgirl, has some snappy one liners, then gets killed by the assassins on his way out. If the Red Room is a portal to Zerox, then 18 episodes just isn't going to be enough!
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Mike's weird hand gestures in the fireplace (v similar to the lady in the radiator from Eraserhead) were the same as the dancers with the casino guys I think
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drygear posted:I'm impressed by how much David Lynch and co. are getting out of the Dougie storyline. I thought it was getting old at the end of the 4th episode but it's gotten a lot deeper and more engaging than the one dimensional joke it started out as.
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Yeah, I'm going a bit off-kilter with the quantum mechanics stuff. An interesting theory I've heard is that basically everything we are seeing that's happening in Las Vegas is a dream that Cooper is having, and Dougie is to Cooper as Betty Elms is to Diane Selwyn, in a certain sense, except almost in reverse. That perhaps Cooper is trapped inside "Evil Cooper's" mind. And it's true that Dougie's world is almost different and deliberately separated somewhat from the world of the rest of the show. It does remind me a bit of the first half of Mulholland Dr, in some ways. The manner in which things just seem to conveniently happen. This would make the one-armed man telling Dougie to "WAKE UP!" much more literal. I am also starting to think we will not be getting "The old Dale Cooper" back anytime soon, and the more I think about it, the more inappropriate the idea feels. I was reading something about Coper's character - the way he showed up in the pilot totally fully-formed and developed and three-dimensional. Cooper doesn't really "develop" much as a character in Twin Peaks, in part because that's just who he is - the FBI agent par excellence. Like a Lynchian SuperHero, in a way. It's why we all love him. But with the revival, it feels like... "Getting Dale Cooper Back" is the new "Who Killed Laura Palmer?" You know? This whole show right now is almost about the identity of Dale Cooper and the exploration of the mystery of what happened to him, why it happened, and who was involved and who is going to investigate/do something about it. I'm starting to feel like I would be seriously disappointed if we saw "Special Agent Dale Cooper" before the final 2 episodes, or something. One character I'm hoping we get lots more of (who was sadly absent here in Episode 6) is "Evil Cooper". To me, he's the most intriguing character and is, frighteningly, really very close to "Our Cooper" in many ways. I think he's the closest we'll be getting to old-school Cooper, maybe. kaworu fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Mover posted:Mike's weird hand gestures in the fireplace (v similar to the lady in the radiator from Eraserhead) were the same as the dancers with the casino guys I think One of the dancers' hands seemed to be doing the same motion as that weird shadow on the wall in the original red room scene.
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there are many more interesting things to talk about in The New Season of Twin Peaks than how beautiful the women are but I need to say that the fact that Naomi Watts is pushing 50 and still looks like this makes me angry at my own parents, my self, and God
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kaworu posted:Yeah, I'm going a bit off-kilter with the quantum mechanics stuff. No offense man, some of your theories are interesting but you're really grasping at straws man. Lynch isn't a physicist and although I appreceate the theories you bring up, bringing up quantum theory makes you sound a little like you're just throwing poo poo at the wall.
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kaworu posted:But with the revival, it feels like... "Getting Dale Cooper Back" is the new "Who Killed Laura Palmer?" You know? Like if anything this new season is about painful nostalgia can be...or at least that's my impression at the moment. It's a Lynch project that we haven't seen all of yet so who the hell knows.
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The Merlin stuff has all gotta be Frost. IIRC, the original second season finale script was loaded with Merlin stuff that Lynch ignored. Given what the secret dossier is like, I figure anything that's more procedural, and history or lore heavy is all Frost. I wouldn't be surprised if the Dr Amp stuff is his idea too.
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kaworu posted:Yeah, I'm going a bit off-kilter with the quantum mechanics stuff. I've had similar ideas and was trying to think if they're was any concrete connection we've seen between the real world (I'll put the FBI and Twin Peaks storylines here) and Dougie's arc. One thing that might argue against it is Jade's scene with the Great Northern key. If this entire scenario is a dream, why do the characters exist outside of Dougie's bubble? Ditto for Ike the Spike. But I do like the idea of Dale still being in the red room somehow, that this is all a snare set by Bob to trap Dale and keep Bob on the outside. It'd go a ways towards explaining how no one has really texted appropriately to Dougie's behavior and how people have names like Janey-e
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DougieCoop's lodge-related visions are the thing I find myself wondering about the most. In addition to his keen intuition, Cooper was always the type of guy who was 'open' enough to let the universe give him hints and nudges in the right direction, "Dirk Gently" style, ie, hucking rocks at bottles, etc. I'm wondering if the things that he sees are The Lodge gently nudging him in the right directions, manipulating fate and things around him to achieve the results it wants (which is presumably to keep Coop safe and return Bob to the Lodge), whether they are visual manifestations of Cooper's own intuitions, or most likely, that they are some combination of the two. It seems like circumstances around him continually conspire to push him along this path (whatever that may be) with little to no input of his own. That said, they took a while to grow on me, but I'm continually amused by all the Dougie scenes now, and seeing how Lynch can write a scene that resolves itself while the main character literally sits there blankly and can only repeat a very limited number of words. ...but I've yet to see why The Lodge wanted him to have $450k, beyond just paying off Dougie's debts so he wouldn't get murked by loansharks. McKilligan fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Mullholland drive has many characters that exist in the dream world but outside the perspective of Watts. That is kinda how dreams work.
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That's a good point. The director and the cowboy and whatnot, the hitman scene. Hm my theory is back on track then. So, is there any concrete connection between Dougie's plot and any real world storyline?
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eSporks posted:Mullholland drive has many characters that exist in the dream world but outside the perspective of the Watts. That is kinda how dreams work. True, but they were still all (or mostly) people she knew in her waking life. I always interpreted those scenes as her fantasies of what would happen to those people, if she got her way. And in her fantasy the hit man was ridiculously incompetent, because she didn't really want Camilla dead. regulargonzalez posted:So, is there any concrete connection between Dougie's plot and any real world storyline? Whatever Carl saw rising out of the dead kid resembled the apparitions Dougie-Coop saw above the slot machines.
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regulargonzalez posted:That's a good point. The director and the cowboy and whatnot, the hitman scene. Hm my theory is back on track then.
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regulargonzalez posted:That's a good point. The director and the cowboy and whatnot, the hitman scene. Hm my theory is back on track then.
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regulargonzalez posted:That's a good point. The director and the cowboy and whatnot, the hitman scene. Hm my theory is back on track then. dougie's ring in the decapitated fat body's stomach
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Confounding Factor posted:Guys Dougie works at Lucky 7 insurance...and the next episode is #7...hmmm I like the sound of this. G-III posted:Cocaine karate. This episode is amazing That was the coolest anyone has ever acted, I've gotta bring hand gestures like Revolver Ocelot and whatnot into my life. This episode is terrific by the way! David Lynch and Mark Frost and friends, thank you.
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There are many true life tales of people getting stranded in far off places from their home and losing use of their native tongue. Doug-e Cooper thinks in Red Room/Lodge ways(the symbolic logic based notes on the case files) for the most part now, and is slowly relearning how to exist in the world. https://twitter.com/carlinspace/status/874501965954244608
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Baloogan posted:dougie's ring in the decapitated fat body's stomach That shuts down my theory pretty definitively. There are still mysteries no matter how they try and resolve it. How long ago was Dougie created? How can someone that was clearly marginally competent / aware and apparently only nominally functional get Naomi Watts to marry him? Has she never wondered why he has literally no family? Is she a creation too? And the kid?
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regulargonzalez posted:That shuts down my theory pretty definitively. Dougie was "manufactured" (and that's a word used by a lodge spirit, so who knows how literally we can take it?) He might not have been created out of nothing. It could be that BadCoop found someone who looked really similar who had a life and everything, and did some sorcery to make the lodge try to pull him in. I got the impression that it was trying to pull them both in, but BadCoop managed to keep from puking until he knew that Dougie had been taken and he was free. I don't think Dougie was as zonked out as Cooper. He obviously managed to get a job in insurance, get married, and seems "successful enough" (possibly because he was in on the fraud and making good money on that, even if he wasn't the brains of the operation) if not for his bad habits. But he was obviously not all there, and it was enough that people don't entirely realize that there's something very different about Cooper.
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