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LentThem posted:also going to any 'random bakery' is going to be trash 95% of the time, especially if the name includes "Bread" or some french words Except for the fancy import supermarkets, I have never had tasted anything from a supermarket bakery that was higher on the scale than "Take one bite and throw it away." Pham Nuwen posted:This is the second time this exact thing has happened to you. You need to learn to read 'durian' in Chinese so you can avoid this in the future. I would say learn how to ask if it has durian but as the thread has established, the response would probably just be, "Oh, the foreigner can speak chinese".
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Haier posted:>D....D.......Durian cream......donut. Hope you brushed it off first.
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Haier posted:Today is the first typhoon/hurricane of the season hitting, and Shenzhen has been getting its water revenge as cha bu duo drain cleanings may or may not have occurred at some point before this. Road men have taken to removing manhole covers instead, since it's too late for them to half-rear end the jobs they were supposed to do beforehand. These pics are being passed around on Wechat/Weibo. excellent city planning was involved in all these. They are well prepared for this regularly occurring event
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reminder that shenzhen is regularly fellated as a high tech city of the future by the media
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Haier posted:Today is the first typhoon/hurricane of the season hitting, and Shenzhen has been getting its water revenge as cha bu duo drain cleanings may or may not have occurred at some point before this. Road men have taken to removing manhole covers instead, since it's too late for them to half-rear end the jobs they were supposed to do beforehand. These pics are being passed around on Wechat/Weibo. wealth beyond measure, outlander
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I really wish people wouldn't follow me on their loving scooters. They're a lot harder to ignore than the trike guys.
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:I really wish people wouldn't follow me on their loving scooters. They're a lot harder to ignore than the trike guys. I AM LOUDER, I HAVE RIGHT OF WAY NATURALLY. Just like those rental bike assholes behind me and ringing the bell non-stop, thinking just because they can make noise they now are allowed to force me and everyone else to immediately make space for them. Nah. NAHHHH
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the best bakery chain in shanghai was opened by a french guy and therefore a little expensive but super worth it until an ex employee ratted him out for using imported flour that expired a few months earlier and chinas joke of an FDA shut down all of his shops overnight ignoring the part where the shelf life of flour in france is much longer than in china but hey gently caress white people just eat our trash-tier local 'breads' that rolled across a kitchen floor that small children have pissed and poo poo on Edit: quote:The fine for businesses using expired ingredients is 10 to 20 times the retail value of the products sold, according to China's food safety regulations. Yeah that doesnt encourage people to use the cheapest, shittiest ingredients possible or anything LentThem fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Fojar38 posted:reminder that shenzhen is regularly fellated as a high tech city of the future by the media Fojar38 posted:reminder that shenzhen is regularly fellated as a high tech city of the future by the media A bunch of poor people working in factories on the outskirts of the city making electronic parts for tiny pay. A bunch of degree cheaters working for fancy local and foreign companies designing stuff, which all still need the oversight of imported foreign management or leaders or else nothing gets finished. Regular Chinese not connected to any of this. A bunch of foreign tourists who think it is some sort of cheap "makers" paradise, and rave about it, or use it to buy wholesale garbage, hence the idea it is a high tech city when really it's the physical equivalent of Ali Baba in a few areas of the city. Average, Chinese-quality transportation and city services. I was talking to some Chinese that work for the companies in the Hi-Tech Park (where all the software/hardware companies are), and they said that overtime is just regular time, because their salaries are waged on projects finished and everyone needs bonus/carrot-on-a-stick hanging over them or else nothing will ever get finished. People regularly work 60-70+ hours a week doing most likely 10 hours of work, hoping that they can finish projects. That one crazy girl working in ZTE that I banged said people often just sleep under their desks instead of going home, but do very little actual work there and just stay to pretend they are hard working. They all make like $1200 USD per month or less. It's nothing like the media portrays it as, which is normal for everything about China. Chaoshan Girl's whole family works in the electronics industry and it's about as duct-taped together as one would expect from a Chinese industry bent on cheating foreign people out of money. Everyone she knows from school is either a wholesaler or owns the factories through family, and her frustration with the quality problems of the output is enough that she hates the industry, most Chinese people, and she wants to abandon China by any means necessary.
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Stringent posted:wealth beyond measure, outlander also disease beyond measure would be really interested to hear how many people get sickened from the inevitable bacterial and fungal blooms
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Baronjutter posted:From other people's korea reports Korean men under a certain age are driven to rage at the idea of "their" women wanting non-korean men. Both from this thread and a couple friends that did the english teaching thing in Korea they've all said it's impossible to have male korean friends and ever hook up with or interact with or receive the attention of korean women. Also they're too passive aggressive to ever say anything to your face, they'll just poo poo talk you behind your back and warn all women that you're an STD riddled drug addict rapist like all whites. Confucianism is basically the most patriarchal philosophy in all of history. Seriously, nomadic pastoral dudes and athenian gay dudes had nothing on the actual philosophical content of confucianism. We had what was basically a burqa two hundred years before the islamic fundamentalists brought it back from the brink of death. There's a korean seesaw game where you bounce on the seesaw twenty feet up and do flips and poo poo, and it's actually not an apocryphal fact that women did this to see out of the compounds that they weren't allowed out of (actually quite comparable to athenian attitudes towards women and nomadic pastoral dudes but significantly more codified and rigorous in its denial that women are real people) So just rampant objectification is probably a solid improvement over 1900's korea, tbh. But the modern form of patriarchy is less actual patriarchy than using the patriarchy as springboard for radical inequity, so there is no provision for would-be patriarchs to actually have the conditions that would allow them to be patriarchs (aka, depressing salaryman job), after the imf crisis. So this is why that patriarchal consonance is not really possible for korean dudes under a certain age and not of a certain class. Your happy grandpa is equally misogynist but just not angry about it and therefore more open to change than a young man who can't get married because he jacks it to anime all day and doesn't have a job Ideology is less good of a feature for detecting the presence of the patriarchy than amounts of money and amounts of power. The more power there is for doing things, the more unequally that power is distributed: same deal with the amount of wealth. But most people see neither real power nor real money so the conditions of the great mass of people can be p. ok regardless, I think. Randos working in silicon valley have alright gender relations, minus of course the edgelords redpillers and goonlords, but nearly everyone with real money over there ("I have spent over $100k on lunch. not over a period of time, just one lunch. no, not for a wedding or anything, just felt like it" "I can't choose among my planes, i have too many of them" "hmm, son stupid, gotta buy a building in his name to get him into yale") is hosed up gender relations wise, and people do strategic marriages and poo poo like 15th century feudal european lords, same deal with upper-middle class vs. really actually upper class koreans I mean, my family is rich enough but not rich enough to be inflicted with that bullshit and I got a drat good western education with feminist bits stuck in so it'll be fine for me but lol society poo poo curufinor fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Today, my dad got deep fried salmon fillets from 99 Ranch Market (a chain of Asian grocery stores in the Western US). While he was waiting for them to fry it up, a middle aged lady and her elderly mom pushed their way to the front of a group of people waiting for service and barked for help. The man behind the counter explained that they needed to take a number and pointed to the giant "please take a number" sign next to the ladies as well as all of the people waiting with their numbers. This then devolved into a 15 minute shouting match in Chinese which culminated in: - The elderly mother using her cane to point/jab at the man behind the fish counter - The lady picking up several fish from the open display counter and throwing them at employees, before stomping off My dad is telling me this story like it's the craziest thing he's ever seen. But I knew what to expect. Thanks, China thread. Oh, and the salmon was in the fryer the entire time. My loving dinner burnt to a crisp.
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Haier posted:A bunch of poor people in markets wholeselling garbage electronic parts made in lovely, lovely factories owned by awful people. Yeah, my own China experiences involve trying desperately to get product out of one of the larger Shenzhen factories (they make tons of stuff for Staples) and just being staggered by how incredibly lovely literally everything was. And the note about awful people is also spot on. Even with a professional team of liaisons on the ground China side, literally every word that came out of their mouths was a lie. They lied to us about product specs (I disassembled one of their samples and caught them lying about the chips they used). They lied to us about unit costs. They lied to us about delivery dates. They lied to us about their QA procedure (and even faked pictures and a QA line for this one). They lied to us about RMA policies (they simply refused to honor our contract regarding those). Every goddamn word was lie, lie, lie and every product we got from them was utter trash. And this was with a firm of professional managers with over a decade of experience in Shenzhen helping us manage expectations and relationships on a daily basis. I can only imagine how hard these people gently caress poor dumb bastards trying to set up a small business or something.
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curufinor posted:Confucianism is basically the most patriarchal philosophy in all of history. Um excuse me I'm sure you'll find that Western culture is the most patriarchal and furthermore
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Haier posted:Just like those rental bike assholes behind me and ringing the bell non-stop, thinking just because they can make noise they now are allowed to force me and everyone else to immediately make space for them. Nah. NAHHHH I used to like the idea of the rental bikes until I saw people using them. A lot of folks have never been on a bike before and I hold my breath and hope I don't see someone get pasted every single day. I mean, I am actually pretty bad at riding a bike, but drat are these people wobbly.
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Haier posted:They all make like $1200 USD per month or less. Average Shanghai salary in 2016 was $944/month, so shenzhen sounds pretty good Though the tech parks here arent like that at all for the big companies like SAP/EMC/Intel; the offices with people getting unpaid overtime and sleeping on beach chairs hidden behind their cubicles are mainly the chinese-owned-and-run vendor agencies that do tech junk .
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Coolguye posted:Yeah, my own China experiences involve trying desperately to get product out of one of the larger Shenzhen factories (they make tons of stuff for Staples) and just being staggered by how incredibly lovely literally everything was. And the note about awful people is also spot on. Even with a professional team of liaisons on the ground China side, literally every word that came out of their mouths was a lie. Tony Fadell, famous yelly CEO man of Nest, actually had the most successful part of his career as professional yelly man at dumbfucks in Shenzhen, Taipei and other places getting poo poo together for the iPod and other things. That was his job, basically, to yell at Chinese people, which probably explains why he's such a shrivelled shell of a human being. He also got the Apple price deals for Nest despite Nest being like 3 orders of magnitude smaller, which explains why the build quality on their poo poo is so poo poo
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Baronjutter posted:From other people's korea reports Korean men under a certain age are driven to rage at the idea of "their" women wanting non-korean men. Both from this thread and a couple friends that did the english teaching thing in Korea they've all said it's impossible to have male korean friends and ever hook up with or interact with or receive the attention of korean women. Also they're too passive aggressive to ever say anything to your face, they'll just poo poo talk you behind your back and warn all women that you're an STD riddled drug addict rapist like all whites. Every male Korean "friend" I had (~14 the first year, 9 the second year), I pretty much lost because of this and less passive aggressive reasons. The worst instance was when we were out in Seoul bar hopping. It was myself, and 4 other guys, and a native Chinese teacher (Mr. Urine Stalagmite). We stop at one bar and not two minutes after we sit down a Korean girl runs up to me and asks me about my Habs hat. It turns out that she lived for a year in Sudbury Ontario, (two hours from where I grew up) and I ask her to join us. We start talking in a friendly manner (no romantic overtones, or flirting at all) about the stuff she did in Northern Ontario, and even find out that we have one common acquaintance. After she excuses herself to go the the bathroom I start talking to the guys, and am going on about "it's a small world, coincidences, etc.". One of them gets up and intercepts the girl as she is leaving the bathroom. He grabs her arm and starts pointing at her and is nearly shouting. She brushes him off and comes back to the table and says, "I don't want to sit with these assholes any more, want to get our own table?". This was probably the 3rd or 4th time they had given some Korean woman who was friendly, "the talk" and at that point I realized that I didn't want to hang out with them any more. We sat down at another table and were talking about our shared Northern-Ontario university experiences, when my four "friends", and 3 more Korean strangers approached our table and basically forced me out of the bar. They tried to hold on to the girl's arm and keep her inside, but she just slapped and kicked them until they let her go. As we walked outside they started to follow, so we hailed a cab and went to the nearest subway station, then went our separate ways after exchanging numbers. Monday morning I walked right into the one Korean guy's office and asked him what the gently caress he thought he was doing? (he was the only one of the 4 that worked at my school, he was the photocopier guy). He got super-nervous, scurried out the other door, and we quite literally never talked again. He ended up being ostracised by half the staff when I let slip that he tried to have be beat up in Seoul. Ironically enough, he tried to pressure a native Chinese teacher into going on a date when she first arrived at the school in Korea. He tried to convince her that he was put in charge of showing her around, but she told him she could figure things out herself. A week later he saw us hand in hand after we had just left a DVD bang and his face was beat red. My current address book has 18 contacts in Korea. 16 Korean woman, one British expat, one American expat.
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curufinor posted:here's that burqa poo poo. called 장옷 (jangot) Now post the old dresses that just had tits hanging out
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Procurement can go eat a dick. Our customer is angry that our component prices increased 50% more than our competitors. Turns out for the same product our competitors cost 25% more after all these years and so they always had room to "increase productivity" and lower prices. Of course procurement won't say anything and keep their mouths shut.
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peanut posted:Now post the old dresses that just had tits hanging out Not so old, just 2012 
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Blistex posted:Not so old, just 2012 holy poo poo
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Yikes to that story about male Korean friends. I've never experienced anything like that in Japan.
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I didn't have anything that bad and blatant, but my impression has always been that Seoul is actually more racist than the other parts of the country. Like taxis refusing to take whitey, that never happened where I lived. I have one friend who is awesome and doesn't give a gently caress about filial piety or being proper or any of that poo poo, and when we'd be out and some old would call her a slut or whatever she'd flip her poo poo at them. It was always amazing. Others would give me a running commentary on who was calling her a whore when we passed.
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So I also like to think about this table from Perceived Causes of Divorce, which is on Wisconsin folks in 1980. This is where the causation for divorce was at in 1980 in America, so based on my pretty-good-so-far ansatz that 2000 in korea wrt social relations are like 1950 in America, it'll get to this point in 10 years in korea. Look at that lopsidedness (the lopsidedness is alleged to continue in a citation of this poo poo from 2015 but I don't have a citation from 2015 to confirm). Percentages add to more than 100% because of course it was a checkbox dealie. And notice how feminism (women's lib) is a loving scapegoat right there. It was a scapegoat since about 1960. Fuckers on Ilbe are already scapegoating feminism right the gently caress now, and they have been for some time, so there you go. Given the number of subscribed dudes to r/theredpill, I suspect it'll go away in about 60 years, give or take a decade, with no major wars or shenanigans (lolno). No historical materialism on this poo poo: there have been many times women have fought successfully for rights and then been crushed summarily, USSR in the 1930's-50's being a good example. Fun little fact on filial piety: it's got a part for the young person to play and it's got a part for the old person to play and since about 1990, most of the old fuckers who run korea have basically gone "lol fygm" to the part for the old person
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Blistex posted:Not so old, just 2012 I think I just had a minor stroke.
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Want to see a magic trick? Blistex posted:Not so old, just 2012 You might as well come topless.
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curufinor posted:Fun little fact on filial piety: it's got a part for the young person to play and it's got a part for the old person to play and since about 1990, most of the old fuckers who run korea have basically gone "lol fygm" to the part for the old person This has been the case for the entirety of Neoconfucianism, which Korea really took to and made its core--it's different than old Confucianism in a number of ways. It eliminated the part where the people with power have to deserve the loyalty of the other party in the relationship, for one.
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JaucheCharly posted:I think I just had a minor stroke. Just say you jacked off your tiny dick, we're all adults.
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Grand Fromage posted:This has been the case for the entirety of Neoconfucianism, which Korea really took to and made its core--it's different than old Confucianism in a number of ways. It eliminated the part where the people with power have to deserve the loyalty of the other party in the relationship, for one. There were Neoconfucianist periods where 효 was pretty much the drat thing old Confucian scholars said it was and periods where it was Lol FYGM I'm Old: The Philosophy: I think the variance is better explained by looking at the variance in the number of people who wanted power. There was a period of the FYGM-ism that ended in the 1860's with mass revolts, for example, and you could make a drat good argument there was a renaissance of FYGM after the IMF poo poo
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Blistex posted:Not so old, just 2012 i think he meant the old hanbok style nws: http://i.imgur.com/337HEpU.jpg
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McGavin posted:Just say you jacked off your tiny dick, we're all adults. I'm too average to jerk off in a full subway, but thx for ascribing a fiery libido to my persona.
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WarpedNaba posted:30% sexual problems? We talking 'He wants too much/She doesn't want enough' here? There was a "sexual problems" box in the checklist and they checked the gently caress out of it It's 80's miscellaneous social science research, deal with it
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Coolguye posted:Yeah, my own China experiences involve trying desperately to get product out of one of the larger Shenzhen factories (they make tons of stuff for Staples) and just being staggered by how incredibly lovely literally everything was. And the note about awful people is also spot on. Even with a professional team of liaisons on the ground China side, literally every word that came out of their mouths was a lie. Anyway, she has to regularly go to factories, often run by friend of a friend of a friend, or classmates, etc., and deal with the assholes. They force her to sit there and do their traditional tea ceremony every time, and many times won't even give her a quote on what she needs until after she's left. Even if she calls or emails about a quote, which is all she wants, they still try to force her to go in person so they can assess how much money they can squeeze out of her clients. When she goes in person to check samples or products, they lie to her face about everything. She's found that when there is a problem, it's better to just go to the factory and see them in person because it freaks them out to be caught off guard, and Face comes into play. They don't care cheat her even if they know her family or other personal reason. They do this anyone that buys from them. They constantly do the "oops, we didn't mean to make 3/4s of the product using old things we had laying around instead of what you asked for and we said we would deliver." They will screw anyone over because there are so many people coming to buy that the idea of "reputation" and "repeat business" is an alien concept and unnecessary to plan for, because even if the business shuts down they have already cheated people out of so much money that they own 4-5 houses and don't care. She constantly juggles companies and has yet to find one that was even remotely tolerable for the final product, with most products needing to hire more people to do tweaking/cutting/connecting after receiving them. Recently she went to a factory multiple times with the product sheets, to make some sensors that fit into plastic cases she already made. The sample was fine, but the final product was like 1cm bigger than the case it was supposed to fit into, meaning it couldn't fit and it was useless. The factory owner was like "Well, if you pay me extra we can fix this problem and get them to fit." She told him to gently caress off and fix it for free since he hosed up and he already had the money. Since he already had the money, he didn't care or have to do anything, but he got his workers to cut the product down so it could fit into the case. We don't know how they did it, but they cut through the batteries in most of the pieces and then shittily glued them into the case to hide it. This is like regular, normal stuff for what she has to deal with, because this is China. The building her office is in is about 90% Chaoshan people, according to her, and she showed me this box they all stop in front of. I looked at it and I was like "A dragon?" and she said "no, look below that." It was a photo of some money. I asked why. She said they pray to and worship this money every day, hoping they can get more money, and they bring cakes, fruit, incense, and more to please this photo of money. I LOLed that these people are so utterly obsessed with money, but are some of the biggest dumbfucks when it comes to having what might be considered a successful or "good" business. She just wants to have a sustainable business with a good reputation among foreigners, who will do repeat orders with her, but her own people are making it so hard for her that she often wants to move to another province and do boring office work and never meet her family or Chaoshan people again. She earns a lot more than I thought, can already buy her own house with cash, and is only 23. Since Chaoshan women are not supposed to be educated or work outside after marriage, her mom constantly whines to her friends that she regrets sending her daughter to university because she saves her money and doesn't give it all to her like other unmarried girls. Haier fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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