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Artificer posted:Anyone know where the technical post on the Dragoon II series is? I can't find it in the thread. https://www.patreon.com/posts/march-update-ii-8292095 No mention of the D variant. Prime is babby Gausszilla with 2x cGauss and 2x Republic ERPPCS A is close range specialist with Republic ERPPC, UAC/20, 6 Clan medium pulse lasers. B is fire support with 2 snubnose ppcs and 4 clan LRM15s with Artemis 5 C is the critseeker with 2 LB-10x, 2 clan large pulse lasers, and a clan medium pulse laser. Compared to that other clanspec omni everyone loves, it trades 1 hex of movement for 10 tons of pod space. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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Zaodai posted:Amaris the Lesser received a message from Andurien that required his bio signatures to unlock that everyone involved assumes is the notice that Uncle Stevie died. well, Amaris did order the message to be broadcast, so I think we're supposed to assume that the message is exactly what he assumed. That doesn't mean Stevie is dead, of course, but I think it's safe to assume that Stevie wants everyone to think he's dead, if he's not actually dead.
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Jun 12, 2017 23:23
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Leperflesh posted:well, Amaris did order the message to be broadcast, so I think we're supposed to assume that the message is exactly what he assumed. Oh, I'm not disputing that is what the message most likely says. That said, Amaris didn't look at it, and did just order it to be broadcast across the NRWR. One would assume it says what he thinks it does, or man is that going to be a clusterfuck. It certainly seems if nothing else both Amaris' want there to be the public knowledge that Uncle Stevie died.
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Jun 12, 2017 23:28
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Or he wants Comstar to think he's dead. So they're not prepared for the sneak attack on Earth, obv.
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Jun 12, 2017 23:31
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Zaodai posted:So Uncle Stevie is dead. I suppose that was inevitable, beyond voting for the mission to kill him and then failing it. Amaris wants the Clans reduced to an agrarian society. Given that the Clans are an industrialized society, even saying 'no blowing up everything with dirty bombs' this is easily saying 'we want to kill 3/4ths or more of them.' It's genocide, plain and simple.
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Jun 13, 2017 00:55
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I was going to hope that the reprisal force warcrimes the poo poo out of the homeworlds, but they've been explicitly ordered not to do so. I don't know how much damage to major Clans in the homeworlds a strike force can do to many spread out planets, but I guess we'll find out. C'mon Amaris the Lesser, have a masterful plan as would befit Uncle Stevie's memory.
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MJ12 posted:Amaris wants the Clans reduced to an agrarian society. Given that the Clans are an industrialized society, even saying 'no blowing up everything with dirty bombs' this is easily saying 'we want to kill 3/4ths or more of them.' It's genocide, plain and simple. You say this like it's a bad thing, or that they're even human.
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MJ12 posted:Amaris wants the Clans reduced to an agrarian society. Given that the Clans are an industrialized society, even saying 'no blowing up everything with dirty bombs' this is easily saying 'we want to kill 3/4ths or more of them.' It's genocide, plain and simple. I more took it as a pithy way for him to suggest utterly destroying their industrial capacity.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:12
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By this point though, aren't the Pentagon worlds almost deserted of military forces? The clans that were staying behind for the initial invasion decided to BRING EVERYTHING and get in on the Inner Sphere action which was why it was such a big deal to capture that intel from the HPG in that Steiner behind enemy lines invasion a couple missions ago. Seems like the Rim Worlders are going to just find a bunch of scientists and merchants left behind that probably won't hate the thought of the warriors getting put totally out of business.
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MJ12 posted:Amaris wants the Clans reduced to an agrarian society. Given that the Clans are an industrialized society, even saying 'no blowing up everything with dirty bombs' this is easily saying 'we want to kill 3/4ths or more of them.' It's genocide, plain and simple. Yeah, pretty much this; we have a direct real-world example to reference. The Khmer Rouge didn't blow up cities or set off 'dirty bombs'; they just forced everyone onto farms and told them 'This is how you live now'. The resulting forced labor conditions and famine killed literal millions; and that was before the purges. This is why I don't like Uncle Amaris and his ilk. The Amaris's haven't 'gotten better' in the past couple hundred years, its still 'war crime time' with these people.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:32
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It's Battletech. Everyone is Warcrimes Time. Amaris is taking the people that got almost wiped out and is sending them to almost wipe out the people that did it. Who also happen to have "wipe out Amaris and everything he made" as oen of their flagship goals. It's genocidal assholes (almost) all the way down.
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Jun 13, 2017 02:25
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Clanners being surprised when warcrimes come for them after all their warcimin' will never stop being funny.
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CourValant posted:Yeah, pretty much this; we have a direct real-world example to reference. I mean, as far as we know they haven't war-crimed anybody recently? They actively help bring up the standard of life on member worlds, and while they may not be doing it for entirely charitable reasons, they at least provide their people a significantly better way of life than the rest of the Sphere does for their random dirt farming peasants. It's also worth pointing out that Amaris is (seemingly) proposing this, not to his own people, but to an enemy that attacked him. He's not going to be able to have his troops sit around and "force" people into camps. He's not suggesting going around shooting anybody with glasses as an intellectual. To compare it to the loving Khmer Rouge is a bit disingenuous, even to me.
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Yeah, this is a deep strike on the means of production. There are no reinforcements. There is no supply chain. Short of the Wolverines going native there can be no occupation.
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Gwaihir posted:By this point though, aren't the Pentagon worlds almost deserted of military forces? The clans that were staying behind for the initial invasion decided to BRING EVERYTHING and get in on the Inner Sphere action which was why it was such a big deal to capture that intel from the HPG in that Steiner behind enemy lines invasion a couple missions ago. Ammunition, food, water, and replacement parts are all things you need a steady supply of. No matter how much they may have crammed onto their fleets, it isn't going to last forever. Normally they would resolve that with regular convoys from their homeworlds. If suddenly those worlds stop delivering things will get very messy. Thus my earlier comment about becoming true barbarians or settling the sphere.
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Zaodai posted:I mean, as far as we know they haven't war-crimed anybody recently? They actively help bring up the standard of life on member worlds, and while they may not be doing it for entirely charitable reasons, they at least provide their people a significantly better way of life than the rest of the Sphere does for their random dirt farming peasants. Modern agriculture is intensely reliant on mechanization and chemical fertilization - there are also all the transportation issues. The population of Cambodia was only like 7 million and something like ~2 million people died. If you wipe out the industry of the clans the population will drop from hundreds of millions to millions or hundreds of thousands. You can say gee they'll only wipe out military industry, but I don't see how they can realistically do that without destroying civilian industry - besides the difficulty in selectively destroy infrastructure while under fire there probably would be some desire to destroy civilian industry if you can build a tractor you can build a tank. Assuming they are stealing and destroying jumpships + dropships you've also destroyed the capacity for interplanetary trade, and every ship is capable of transporting troops so why wouldn't you?
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MinutePirateBug posted:Modern agriculture is intensely reliant on mechanization and chemical fertilization - there are also all the transportation issues. The population of Cambodia was only like 7 million and something like ~2 million people died. If you wipe out the industry of the clans the population will drop from hundreds of millions to millions or hundreds of thousands. You can say gee they'll only wipe out military industry, but I don't see how they can realistically do that without destroying civilian industry - besides the difficulty in selectively destroy infrastructure while under fire there probably would be some desire to destroy civilian industry if you can build a tractor you can build a tank. Assuming they are stealing and destroying jumpships + dropships you've also destroyed the capacity for interplanetary trade, and every ship is capable of transporting troops so why wouldn't you? Sure, but if he was out to genocide them he'd just use the Jump Torpedos that he already ruled out due to the ecological damage. You know how we ignore realism for the sake of giant stompy robots? Yeah, that applies to the plans of their leaders. How is he going to wipe out only military industry? Because it'll be in a big neon lit factory called CLAN SNOW RAVEN AWESOME ROBOT FACTORY. It makes exactly as much sense as every other political plan in the entire game if you subject it to realism. Which is to say zero.
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Zaodai posted:"Attention, Clan Warriors. If you are seeing this, then I am already dead. And so are you. Your assassination may have been successful, but all you've done is set in motion the events that will lead to your own annihilation. I do congratulate you on your efforts. You've traveled hundreds of light years, engaged in a grueling ground war against equal opposition, all so you could stab one old man to death in his sleep. Truly, the superior breed of warrior. I'll be seeing you soon." *Uncle Stevie downs a big tumbler of scotch* “I already know what this says, I was present when it was recorded.” Hmmmmmmm.
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F Terrible in a fight, but this is a liberation. Let the Clans awaken to discover that we are holding all the keys and already guarding all the doors. However that bit in the Matrix went. The master of spin should be on hand to make sure this victory is ours.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:“I already know what this says, I was present when it was recorded.” The RWR's whole game is being super smug about having a contingency for everything the Clans are capable of. They have Clan outcasts helping with psyops based on centuries old experience, a working relationship with Comstar giving them the best current events outdated secrets can buy and listening posts all over the periphery. Of course they have a well rehearsed plan for the Clanners taking their bait. It's probably detailed to the point of exactly how stunned each post is expected to act. They've yet to be proven wrong, a chance for which I'm sure is coming.
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dis astranagant posted:Uncle Chandy is a blight on the Kurita name, being a hedonist and merchant rather than honor crazed space samurai. Probably the most sane Kurita in centuries but half the House would likely commit seppuku rather than follow him. Completely disinherited by Takashi in the other timeline. Makes Scrooge McDuck look like an African war orphan. Thanks for this. Think I'm going to go with C.
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I probably should have mentioned that Akira is now Hanse's nephew or something, I'd forgotten.
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dis astranagant posted:I probably should have mentioned that Akira is now Hanse's nephew or something, I'd forgotten. Brother in law.
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dis astranagant posted:The RWR's whole game is being super smug about having a contingency for everything the Clans are capable of. They have Clan outcasts helping with psyops based on centuries old experience, a working relationship with Comstar giving them the best current events outdated secrets can buy and listening posts all over the periphery. Of course they have a well rehearsed plan for the Clanners taking their bait. It's probably detailed to the point of exactly how stunned each post is expected to act. They've yet to be proven wrong, a chance for which I'm sure is coming. Comstar did just help assassinate Amaris VI. Gwaihir posted:By this point though, aren't the Pentagon worlds almost deserted of military forces? The clans that were staying behind for the initial invasion decided to BRING EVERYTHING and get in on the Inner Sphere action which was why it was such a big deal to capture that intel from the HPG in that Steiner behind enemy lines invasion a couple missions ago. Wonder if there'll be time to offer some chief scientists and engineers to uproot their labs and come home with them. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Current Vote Count A: 5 B: 17 C: 7 D: 0 E: 3 F: 3 G: 9 With 44 votes expended B is far ahead, with the only realistic options G, and maybe C. ... I guess B is fine. We have to at least trust the common sense merchant man, he has the most motivation to want the Suns' culture to mix with the silly honor system. And he makes the Life of Scrooge McDuck look like a war orphan? Sounds interesting. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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RA Rx posted:Comstar did just help assassinate Amaris VI. And the Amaris family is so busy playing puppetmaster that they'd claim the leak was their idea whether it was or not. Getting the Clans to "do something stupid" was the prime directive of the whole Andurien campaign. Comstar helping them do it is just icing on the cake and fuel for future machinations. False intel on the Clan Homeworlds stranding the Wolverines being cause for open hostilities would be an amusing shakeup for 2 factions that seem to be doing a hair too well.
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I'd rather they just lose fairly from a battle or vote going the wrong way, like PTN has been doing it. Enforced story balance between the factions, as in so many franchises, ruins tension.
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RA Rx posted:I'd rather they just lose fairly from a battle or vote going the wrong way, like PTN has been doing it. Enforced story balance between the factions, as in so many franchises, ruins tension. That vote happened eons ago when Amaris and The Master met up and we got vague indications of just what level of frenemy we're dealing with here.
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The NRWR suffering a setback would be more interesting then the "all according to keikaku" lots of the thread seems to assign to everything they do.
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The thread definitely does that, but I don't think daddy Amaris dying was all according to plan, just something they feared likely. Even with C* helping the players would have had to succeed if they'd picked the mission. Most missions are victories, but I'm sure they were trying to have him survive. This is just Amaris making the best of a bad thing. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Zikan posted:The NRWR suffering a setback would be more interesting then the "all according to keikaku" lots of the thread seems to assign to everything they do. I'm inclined to agree. I like the NRWR and their plans but at this rate it looks like the Clans will get steamrolled with little fanfare. Of course that's kind of the entire point of all Amaris's planning, and the thread has consistently chosen to go with the missions where the Clans are the antagonist force (for various reasons), and I don't doubt PTN would find a way to make it fun and engaging, but I'd like to see the Clans win something significant (against either the NRWR or the Houses) at least once or twice to show that they're still a threat.
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I mean I'll always vote to poo poo on the clans because gently caress, man, it's the Clans. They manage to stand out as jackasses in a setting that has Capellans, for christ's sake.
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Night10194 posted:I mean I'll always vote to poo poo on the clans because gently caress, man, it's the Clans. They manage to stand out as jackasses in a setting that has Capellans, for christ's sake.
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Night10194 posted:I mean I'll always vote to poo poo on the clans because gently caress, man, it's the Clans. They manage to stand out as jackasses in a setting that has Capellans, for christ's sake. Nobody was ever scared of the Cappellans taking over half the Sphere or having a tech advantage. They're basically the North Korea of the (canon) setting. But now they might have a tech advantage.  As for whether it was the NRWR's idea to get Uncle Stevie killed, no, I don't think even they'd say that. But when they sent him there, they knew it was a distinct probability, and probably planned as if his death was a given. "Don't take anything on a boat you aren't prepared to lose" type deal.
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B. I do not expect the two nations to stay together forever, but Theo is smart enough to realize that dealing with the Clans is what is important for right now. Let us listen to one of the few rational Kuritans so that space bushido doesn't gently caress everything up.
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Zikan posted:PTN obviously had to have Clam Ghost Bear go head to head with the NRWR Clan clam ghost bear. A bear that is possessed by a dead mollusc? Sounds defensively dangerous.
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