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Drone posted:I mean, it really could be argued that the entire environment isn't Fox News' fault, but CNN's. CNN was the first 24/7 news network and is directly responsible for the commodification and commercialization of the news. Fox just took the formula that CNN created and perfected it into a partisan machine. Something like CNN was inevitable, and some kind of conservative alternative to MSM probably was too given their dominance on talk radio. I do think Roger Ailes promoted a particularly toxic brand of conservatism that had no principle beyond winning though, and a different type of conservative alternative could have prevented at least some of that. I'm not going to say every Republican was super principled before Fox, but the progression toward nihilism has been pretty stark in the Fox News era.
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axeil posted:If you are in Virginia please remember to vote (for Tom Perriello) today. I was planning to do that this morning, but I forgot. If I forget this afternoon, you have the right to come over and shoot me.
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Paracaidas posted:With plenty of cover from the left too ahem, fair and balanced
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Shifty Pony posted:That's largely because Novo Nordisk and Eli Lily are in a war for market share, but are using barely-disguised kickbacks instead of lower prices to get the upper hand on each other. The scheme to make the kickbacks legal just happens to involve skyrocketing retail prices, but that's just a side effect to them because (now that everyone has insurance) the customers they are competing over are pharmacy benefit managers not the actual users of Novolog/Humalog. They've also been rountinely overcharging 340b (safety net providers who are supposed to get access to medications at a statutorily set price) for at least 5 years now. I only know this now because last year CMS started reimbursing 340b providers as if we had purchased the drug at the price that the drug companies are supposed to be charging us. Surprise that $120 box of Lantus insulin you purchased actually should have been sold to you at $0.15, and Medicaid will now reimburse you based on that assumed $0.15 price tag! A regulation that would have administered penalties to drug manufacturers who purposefully overcharged 340b entities to encourage them to stop defrauding the government has been delayed 3 separate times already this year "to ensure that affected parties have sufficient time to make changes needed to facilitate compliance". These are the prices they should have been charging for 10+ years now, this was a regulation stipulated in the Affordable Care Act back in 2010, and regulation that was first proposed in January of 2016. Thank goodness though HRSA is looking out for those poor insulin manufacturers.
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Jun 13, 2017 13:44
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TyroneGoldstein posted:Finally, you have the supreme court and the decision of Citizens United. This allowed dark money to leverage the previous situation to the eyeballs to attain its goals. This is the key to the whole thing right here. Not necessarily Citizens United per se, although that did help, but the way money has so embedded itself in politics of the modern era that it has become literally the only thing "serious people" think make a candidate. So both sides fell in thrall to many of the same donors and therefore their goals are aligned even when they have to pretend to fight. The current DNC is run as a Washington Generals to the RNCs Harlem Globetrotters, they are meant to give the illusion of opposition but not actually affect the outcome. The problem of course now is the RNC has been supplanted by the Tea Party and they don't care about putting on a good show, they just want to run up the score.
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The removal of earmarks is another big problem that has contributed to this, I think. When you have moderate politicians that suddenly don't have the ability to point to local projects that they've gotten through congress, people will start looking for more "ideologically pure" candidates. This is where you start seeing Tea Party politicians come through, and primaries from the right.
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Jun 13, 2017 13:51
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Glazier posted:This is the key to the whole thing right here. Not necessarily Citizens United per se, although that did help, but the way money has so embedded itself in politics of the modern era that it has become literally the only thing "serious people" think make a candidate. So both sides fell in thrall to many of the same donors and therefore their goals are aligned even when they have to pretend to fight. The current DNC is run as a Washington Generals to the RNCs Harlem Globetrotters, they are meant to give the illusion of opposition but not actually affect the outcome. The problem of course now is the RNC has been supplanted by the Tea Party and they don't care about putting on a good show, they just want to run up the score. Hmmm yes. Both parties are exactly the same. *Loses health insurance, elects fascist orange*
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Jun 13, 2017 13:57
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Jun 13, 2017 13:59
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Night10194 posted:Hmmm yes. Both parties are exactly the same. *tries to resist, gets bought out by inability to let go of the washington consensus, concludes fascist orange is presidential now that he's bombing browns*
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Jun 13, 2017 14:04
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Jealous Cow posted:https://twitter.com/JustinElliott/status/874606447891554304 Boy, he must just be boiling with rage. All this bad press and he can't do a goddamn thing about it except whine impotently on Twitter.
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Jun 13, 2017 14:06
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I'm not really sure if its a conflict of interest for an attorney who may be a target of an investigation to represent someone else in that investigation but I feel like it is or it should be.
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Jun 13, 2017 14:07
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Imagine if Kasowitz got sanctioned by the ABA lol
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Alter Ego posted:Boy, he must just be boiling with rage. All this bad press and he can't do a goddamn thing about it except whine impotently on Twitter. All that anger must be terrible for his blood pressure!
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Jun 13, 2017 14:09
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What a loving crybaby.
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IUG posted:What a loving FTFY
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Inglonias posted:I was planning to do that this morning, but I forgot. I'll hold ya to it. I won't shoot you though because I don't own any guns. I wish there was more of a difference in the Lt. Gov. candidates. I ended up voting for Fairfax (the black dude) because he went to the most prestigious law school and seemed to have the best resume.
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Grapplejack posted:The removal of earmarks is another big problem that has contributed to this, I think. When you have moderate politicians that suddenly don't have the ability to point to local projects that they've gotten through congress, people will start looking for more "ideologically pure" candidates. This is where you start seeing Tea Party politicians come through, and primaries from the right. prevent government from helping people -> people demand change -> use racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia as wedge issue -> primary from the right -> prevent government from helping people -> people demand change -> use racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia as wedge issue -> primary from the right -> repeat forever
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Jun 13, 2017 14:13
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I like this because it reads like the apologies would be fake news.
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Jun 13, 2017 14:15
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Night10194 posted:Hmmm yes. Both parties are exactly the same. How did you get that out of what I said? The GOP are different because, as was said, the crazies took over. My point was that the Democrats are still operating in the old paradigm of both sides having the same neoliberal goals and politics being a show for the public benefit.
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axeil posted:I'll hold ya to it. I won't shoot you though because I don't own any guns. I'm super glad that our attorneys general can run for re election though, because Herring has been solid.
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Glazier posted:How did you get that out of what I said? The GOP are different because, as was said, the crazies took over. My point was that the Democrats are still operating in the old paradigm of both sides having the same neoliberal goals and politics being a show for the public benefit. Sorry, I misread 'The DNC and RNC are two sides set up to have pointless battles for their cunning masters' as the usual bullshit.
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evilweasel posted:I'm not really sure if its a conflict of interest for an attorney who may be a target of an investigation to represent someone else in that investigation but I feel like it is or it should be. He's already, in public and on the record, told staffers they don't need their own attorneys. Ethically speaking he's already gone Bud Dwyer.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:He's already, in public and on the record, told staffers they don't need their own attorneys. Ethically speaking he's already gone Bud Dwyer. I love how transparently obvious both he and Trump are about their willingness to throw everyone else under the oncoming bus. That was, after all, why he was asking Comey basically 'Who do I need to give up in order to get rid of this faster' in Comey's memos.
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Jun 13, 2017 14:20
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Chilichimp posted:Cool, these are things I hadn't considered, thanks for the info.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:He's already, in public and on the record, told staffers they don't need their own attorneys. Ethically speaking he's already gone Bud Dwyer. That I know is unethical. This is more novel!
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Is the Sessions hearing likely to have anything good, or is it just going to be hours of deflection and "can't answer that publicly"?
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https://twitter.com/JStein_Vox/status/874468249475452928 REALLY?
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The Lord of Hats posted:Is the Sessions hearing likely to have anything good, or is it just going to be hours of deflection and "can't answer that publicly"? That and crap we already know. Nothing major will be revealed today.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/874609480301936640 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/874608587473080320 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/874578159676665857 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/874576057579565056
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Jeff Sessions is going to announce a new 3D Metroid and most of the hearing will be various senators asking him about it.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Is the Sessions hearing likely to have anything good, or is it just going to be hours of deflection and "can't answer that publicly"? The whole thing that got him in trouble in the first place was him weirdly volunteering information for no reason so he might do that again.
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This loving guy
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Do you think his lawyers are pondering killing him to stop him calling it a Travel Ban?
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Alter Ego posted:Boy, he must just be boiling with rage. All this bad press and he can't do a goddamn thing about it except whine impotently on Twitter. Trump doesn't know how to cope without having a Hillary Clinton-like figure who he can attack to win back soft-supporters, who also serves as a pressure release valve when the media start questioning if they are focusing too much on Trump. I think Trump would have loved to have a divided government. There would be someone to blame for his failures, he would have an easy target to attack, and on occasion he could play the role of grand deal maker.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Jeff Sessions is going to announce a new 3D Metroid and most of the hearing will be various senators asking him about it. Knowing Sessions and how he's an evil gently caress who hates cool things you'll play as Adam.
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TARDISman posted:Knowing Sessions and how he's an evil gently caress who hates cool things you'll play as Adam. Nah it'll be Other M 2 Sessions will pull off his mask to reveal he was Yoshio Sakamoto the whole time
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TARDISman posted:Knowing Sessions and how he's an evil gently caress who hates cool things you'll play as Adam. No, he's an evil dumb gently caress. You play as a white dude named Metroid.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Is the Sessions hearing likely to have anything good, or is it just going to be hours of deflection and "can't answer that publicly"? He is going to try and get the Trump side a win and prove his worth. Expect him to answer nothing about Trump citing executive privilege.
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