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first good news on healthcare in a long time: https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/874637319030046721 This may blow up conservative support for the AHCA.
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https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/874636802824568832
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Anora posted:Only had time to read the headline and a few tweets from Olberman, but this seems big/worrying: Everyone needs to read this. quote:Russia’s cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trump’s election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported. I believe Putin's goal was to push the narrative that Crooked Hillary was going to steal the election, then leak these hacks to spread suspicion about the election results after she won. Any investigations into Trump's collusion with Russia would have been brushed off as her trying to silence him for speaking out about the rigged election.
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Paracaidas posted:Should Democrats engage in a symbolic protest of trying to slow the senate to a crawl (for 18 months?) in order to... still not stop the health care bill? Yes. It's one thing to pointlessly hold out on a Cabinet or sub-Cabinet nominee that has widespread approval, but this is something that should be done on principle. This bill will kill people, plain and simple, and Democrats better do anything they can to stop it becoming law. Hmm. Does this mean he'll be very disturbed if/when Trump fires Mueller?
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Jun 13, 2017 15:45
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By the end of the week, he'll be saying the President has the right to fire him.
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Jun 13, 2017 15:46
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So when Trump fires him, how will Ryan turn around and suddenly justify it? Not, like, "how can he do that," obviously he's gonna, more like, I wonder what particular line of bullshit he'll take. And how deeply troubled do we think McCain will be?
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Jun 13, 2017 15:46
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Don't they only get to use reconciliation once or something? So you could stop other bad things. What makes you think that there won't be more reconciliation bills after Senate rules are changed? Evil turtle has no problem changing the Senate rules to get the things he wants passed.
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Jun 13, 2017 15:48
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Alter Ego posted:Yes. It's one thing to pointlessly hold out on a Cabinet or sub-Cabinet nominee that has widespread approval, but this is something that should be done on principle. This bill will kill people, plain and simple, and Democrats better do anything they can to stop it becoming law. In terms of senate procedure, that appears to be precisely nothing.
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Jun 13, 2017 15:48
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evilweasel posted:first good news on healthcare in a long time: I'll take your word for it.
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Translation: "Nonono you stupid orange gently caress NONONONONONO"
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Blitz7x posted:I'm wondering if this will lead to a higher crime rate in urban areas? Odds are pretty good. Unfortunately. On a personal note some of the worst motherfuckers I ever met while I was homeless (and I mean these people were motherfuckers) were once genuinely great human beings who watched a loved one wither away and die due to lack of medical care while they could do nothing but hold that persons hand and lie to them that everything was going to be okay. People can snap when they go through something like that, and if a whoooooole bunch of people start going through that scenario at the same time then civil society can start to break down a bit. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Jun 13, 2017 |
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Jun 13, 2017 15:49
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Anora posted:Only had time to read the headline and a few tweets from Olberman, but this seems big/worrying: Yo, guys, paper ballots are pretty rad, why did we switch off of those again?
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Jun 13, 2017 15:49
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https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/874639407889793024 Here we go. Now we wait for the tweets.
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Jun 13, 2017 15:50
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Ramos posted:Yo, guys, paper ballots are pretty rad, why did we switch off of those again? Diebold contributes to the campaigns of the officials who decide what to use. vvv That too vvv
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Jun 13, 2017 15:51
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Ramos posted:Yo, guys, paper ballots are pretty rad, why did we switch off of those again? Then how would we ensure that the wrong sort didn't vote?
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Jun 13, 2017 15:51
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Jeff Sessions is going to announce a new 3D Metroid and most of the hearing will be various senators asking him about it. The last minority is in captivity. The country is at peace.
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evilweasel posted:first good news on healthcare in a long time: But they only use abortion as a wedge. They don't really give a gently caress, at least not anywhere near as much as they care about tax cuts and killing the (already-alive) poor.
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/874639407889793024 Rosensteain and Tillerson are both speaking to Senate committees/panels right now. https://www.washingtonpost.com/
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fsif posted:By the end of the week, he'll be saying the President has the right to fire him. "Look, the president's new at this, okay"
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/874639407889793024 He cannot resist this. It is the juiciest, ripest, most low-hanging fruit in the loving orchard, and it calls to him. Tweet, Donny. Do it. Your public demands it.
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Ramos posted:Yo, guys, paper ballots are pretty rad, why did we switch off of those again? Paper ballots are a good thing. But if you can gently caress up the voter registration system then you can prevent your political opponents from voting.
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Jun 13, 2017 15:53
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/874639407889793024 Oh boy. He's going to fire Rosenstein. Here we go.
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Anora posted:Only had time to read the headline and a few tweets from Olberman, but this seems big/worrying: I'm experiencing some anxiety right now...
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Jun 13, 2017 15:53
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evilweasel posted:first good news on healthcare in a long time: Can't Mike Pence just overrule the parliamentarian?
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Jun 13, 2017 15:54
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Harrow posted:So when Trump fires him, how will Ryan turn around and suddenly justify it? Not, like, "how can he do that," obviously he's gonna, more like, I wonder what particular line of bullshit he'll take. He won't do or say poo poo, like usual. Probably wouldn't even really solidly comment on it. If you painted a portrait of Paul Ryan, it would just be an extreme close up of a shrugging shoulder.
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business hammocks posted:But they only use abortion as a wedge. They don't really give a gently caress, at least not anywhere near as much as they care about tax cuts and killing the (already-alive) poor. A ton of the HFC are true believers.
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Bit of a random but Donnie related question, any updates of Ted aka "I shat my pants to i wouldn't get boo boos in Nam" Nug and his potential campaign for whatever?
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Jun 13, 2017 15:55
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Can't Mike Pence just overrule the parliamentarian? He can, but only with 50 votes from the Senate and a number of Senators are on the record saying they're not ok with that. Which is a big reason why I think this is more damaging for the AHCA than you'd think: they can't just tell the crazies that they tried but it's impossible. It is possible, they just have to break the law. So the crazies will be less willing to go along and will demand they overrule the parliamentarian.
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Jun 13, 2017 15:57
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I wonder how much the GOP tune is going to change if Ossoff takes the seat. They haven't paid any sort of electoral price yet for any of their shenanigans despite a few close calls.
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Jun 13, 2017 15:58
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There Bias Two posted:Oh boy. He's going to fire Rosenstein. Here we go. I'm guessing Thursday, but I'm still an optimist, somehow.
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Jun 13, 2017 15:59
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nachos posted:I wonder how much the GOP tune is going to change if Ossoff takes the seat. They haven't paid any sort of electoral price yet for any of their shenanigans despite a few close calls. It will change to a tune of intimidation and voter suppression and violence.
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nachos posted:I wonder how much the GOP tune is going to change if Ossoff takes the seat. They haven't paid any sort of electoral price yet for any of their shenanigans despite a few close calls. (1) out of state money!!!!!! (2) Handel is apparently known for blowing these sort of races, she's basically like Georgia's Martha Coakley (which is a description of her I heard months ago, so it's not just something they've started saying now that it's at risk of loss), so they'll say she was just a bad candidate
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Boy I'm just stunned that Tillerson opposes the new Russia sanctions bill.
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Spiritus Nox posted:It will change to a tune of intimidation and voter suppression and violence. But that's already the tune.
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evilweasel posted:first good news on healthcare in a long time:
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There Bias Two posted:Oh boy. He's going to fire Rosenstein. Here we go. Yeah, Rosenstein made it pretty clear he'll resign rather than follow the order. Well, not so much that he'll resign, he'll just ignore the order and if Trump doesn't like it he can fire Rosenstein. At that point he would have to start going down the list of career people rather than political appointees, I think, so he might have to go real far down before he gets someone who will follow the order.
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evilweasel posted:(1) out of state money!!!!!! (2) Handel is apparently known for blowing these sort of races, she's basically like Georgia's Martha Coakley (which is a description of her I heard months ago, so it's not just something they've started saying now that it's at risk of loss), so they'll say she was just a bad candidate The thing is, how did 'Oh, it was just Martha Coakley' end up working out for the dems? Not well.
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Elotana posted:You misspelled "may force Pence to overrule the parliamentarian which he definitely will" Pence definitely will if given the chance, but he needs the 50 people to back up his ruling. There's no indication he has that.
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nachos posted:I wonder how much the GOP tune is going to change if Ossoff takes the seat. They haven't paid any sort of electoral price yet for any of their shenanigans despite a few close calls. The GOP is a simple creature, living most of its days either making GBS threads, sleeping, or eating. However when frightened, it is capable of releasing a toxic gas which obscures it from threats and sticks to whatever it touches. If Ossoff takes the seat they're gonna panic, and you'll no doubt hear a bunch of poo poo about his victory either being a fluke or the result of the vote being somehow compromised (and completely ignoring the cognitive dissonance that goes along with that thinking). They'd also probably double down on fund raising for future races.
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Night10194 posted:But that's already the tune. They'll start playing loud.
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