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Bonus posted:I have it built too, and it's certainly very powerful. Just like any deck, it might see a ban if it completely dominates the format, but that's nowhere near true right now. People just like to go online and shout to ban decks constantly. Just goes to show how ban happy people are recently. When pod was banned, it was completely dominating the format and people were surprised, but now people expect the top deck to be banned constantly, which is opposite of what is good for the format. So the way to beat Death's Shadow is to play removal in Modern. Seems like the deck is a menace and should be banned.
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ThePeavstenator posted:I play Grixis Death's Shadow and sometimes it does feel like you're getting away with something. I'm not fully on the ban train but it's definitely a deck with a powerful gameplan that you can't really disrupt or hate on with a few sideboard slots. The only deck that I ever feel like I'm an underdog against is Burn. Am I wrong in thinking that the way Burn beats Death's Shadow is holding back on its burn spells and chipping away with creatures, then doing burst damage once the Death's Shadow opponent is at eight or nine life?
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Star Man posted:Am I wrong in thinking that the way Burn beats Death's Shadow is holding back on its burn spells and chipping away with creatures, then doing burst damage once the Death's Shadow opponent is at eight or nine life? Its a tough game from both sides. Technically, holding back on your burn is the right move but it mostly comes down to drawing paths and not getting palm taken out of your hand.
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Cactrot posted:So the way to beat Death's Shadow is to play removal in Modern. It's too bad the Death's Shadow deck doesn't have some way of protecting itself from removal!
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Jun 13, 2017 17:05
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To me, the thing about DS that makes it not ban-worthy is the same reason that Goyf doesn't need to be banned- it's simply an extremely efficient beater. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it's tough to deal with when surrounded by other good cards.
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meanolmrcloud posted:Holy crap, what a terrible year for standard. It's really remarkable that they were able to have relatively good stretches of time where things didn't need to be banned, and now all of a sudden they poo poo the bed like 3 times in short succession. Fortunately Standard should be fine now, assuming the Temur Energy can beat a resolved Gideon so the format doesn't devolve back into Vehicles beating everything. Marvel simply had to go because there's what, five more sets released before it rotates? If there's anything as powerful as Ulamog, or even slightly less powerful but more castable like Emrakul (she was more powerful but also castable at a reasonable time) then Marvel would just take over again even after Ulamog rotated out. Star Man posted:Is this what Type 2 was like in 2004? Bannings every month? I wish. They banned Skullclamp, which everyone pretty much agreed had to go, then they let standard rot for months while the only viable deck was Ravager Affinity. Fifth Dawn came out and Clamp was banned, but Plating slotted into Affinity to give it another great payoff card, and it wasn't until Betrayer's came out that they finally just banned everything. By that time MTG in my area had basically died. Extended was really expensive (it was like $250 for a deck!) and Type 1\1.5 didn't have a playerbase and commander wasn't around, so when Standard FNM died MTG died too. En Fuego posted:Ya'll didn't play during Urza's Block, but combo winter actually almost killed magic. If you didn't play Academy, or run maindeck artifact hate (my fave was Meltdown), it was actual hell on earth to play magic. The only saving grace was that cards weren't as available, so only a few people had the full on decks (and those nerds were netdecking Dojo dorks). Actually this sounds like a pretty good idea'mkrul. GonSmithe posted:Yeah, I remember playing during Affinity Standard and even with how bad that was, them banning the Artifact Lands, Disciple AND Ravager was absolutely mindblowing. Everyone only expected a Ravager/Disciple ban, banning that many cards in one Standard was unheard of. The artifact lands had to go. Otherwise Krark-Clan Ironworks would have taken over and turned the metagame into a game of "Do you have Kataki? Well I do\don't have Condescend\Bolt, next game." Ravager and Disciple could have stayed unbanned, but it's better to just send a message that Ravager Affinity is dead and gone please come back.
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I'm happy Marvel got banned. I'm not happy Emrakul didn't get unbanned.
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Bonus posted:I really don't understand the people clamoring for a Death's Shadow ban already. It seems like with the recent bannings, people now just want to ban the best deck every B&R update, even if it's just 10% of the meta and not oppressive at all. This is probably one of the top reasons why Wizards doesn't like banning things. Players already say cards "need a ban" when their pet deck has a bad matchup against it or they just don't understand that there are tiers in every competitive card game. Now there's blood in the water, so they'll take Wizards not banning anything as Wizards wanting to ruin the format. So it's probably a good idea to wait a long time for a "No Changes" ban update.
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I'd be happy to go back to vehicles dominating again. It's was a strong deck, but never miserable to play against.
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Bonus posted:I have it built too, and it's certainly very powerful. Just like any deck, it might see a ban if it completely dominates the format, but that's nowhere near true right now. People just like to go online and shout to ban decks constantly. Just goes to show how ban happy people are recently. When pod was banned, it was completely dominating the format and people were surprised, but now people expect the top deck to be banned constantly, which is opposite of what is good for the format. I never thought I would ever say this, but Stubborn Denial is such a loving HOUSE in Grixis Deaths Shadow, it is loving bananas. The deck does not need a ban though.
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mandatory lesbian posted:i still can't believe they're trying to break into the MMO market, but who know maybe the sales in Korea justify it They maybe approached Secret World rather than the other way about, but it'll coat them next to morning if at all. The Korean MMO makers chuck out multiple re-skinned efforts every year, and often try and pick one or two to try and break the western market. They maybe approached WotC offering some 6 figure sum and a small fake of amy profits, with the promise it'd be swept under the rug if it didn't get a foothold. I'd actually bet they wanted D&D, but couldn't get WotC to part with the rights (or someone else might still have the rights from the mast one) and Wizards asked them to do Mtg instead.
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Yeah Stubborn Denial is the bomb in the deck, and combined with the discard that the deck runs, your opponents are drawing dead a lot of the time. It does feel like a legacy deck in modern sometimes, just because it's hyper efficient, but yeah, DS is just a very efficient beater, much like goyf.
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mehall posted:They maybe approached Secret World rather than the other way about, but it'll coat them next to morning if at all. Well they already made that lovely neverwinter mmo
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Bonus posted:Yeah Stubborn Denial is the bomb in the deck, and combined with the discard that the deck runs, your opponents are drawing dead a lot of the time. It does feel like a legacy deck in modern sometimes, just because it's hyper efficient, but yeah, DS is just a very efficient beater, much like goyf. Is this one of the reasons why UB Faeries supposedly has a good matchup against Grixis Death's Shadow? Is it because a Spellstutter Sprite can counter spells in the deck and not worry about being hit by Stubborn Denial?
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Among a lot of other reasons. They can chump for days with Bitterblossom tokens and once you're at a low life total they just attack with a couple of flying idiots and that's that.
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Bonus posted:Among a lot of other reasons. They can chump for days with Bitterblossom tokens and once you're at a low life total they just attack with a couple of flying idiots and that's that. I want to believe in this so badly because I love Faeries.
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Marvel banned. TurboFog top tier once again
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80s James Hetfield posted:Marvel banned. Temur Tower's only enemy has been eliminated, now it will reign for ten thousand years! 
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Crucible Man
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Oh good, another aggro mechanic to add to the limited environment.
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Red zombies, huh.
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Block the zombie and lose four life or let the zombie hit you for one and take another three from an Incendiary Flow.
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Edit: Nevermind, I don't read cards.
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Can I play this with KotR? E: It recurs Ghost Quarters yes I will play it with KotR 
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Jun 13, 2017 18:25
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Did you think there wouldn't be an aggro mechanic in this set..?
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Alright, I'll be the first to admit it. I did not know "abrade" was a word.
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Gustav posted:Alright, I'll be the first to admit it. I did not know "abrade" was a word. Same, I thought it was a foreign language promo til I saw it was in English
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As in "abrasive". For example, this thread really abrades my rear end some days. I like the card. Gonna draft the poo poo out of them. 
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Cool cat tats
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Abrade seems like it would have been real swell to have in Copter standard.
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They reprinted Shatter and gave it a mode to deal damage to a creature in case main deck it and are up against an opponent that doesn't play with an oppressive artifact. I approve.
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Angry Grimace posted:Crucible Man Crucible man, crucible man doing the things a crucible can what's he swing for? It's not important crucible man
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Okay well God drat. This is looking good already.
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MrBling posted:do we know what Eternalize does? betting it's like embalm, but makes it indestructible
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MrBling posted:do we know what Eternalize does?
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Embalm but with a +1/+1 counter. Known as megaembalm in design.
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That's a cool new fencing ace
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