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Bolow
Feb 27, 2007

I love how condescending he is when he gets shot for like no damage

"I'm.made.of.metal"

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monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Basic Chunnel posted:

I'm hype as gently caress for Harbinger to finally get traded to XCOM2 and you all are a bunch of fuckin dorks

"It's not just any Sectopod. It's a human Sectopod."

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Psycho Landlord posted:

Wait what? When did that get dropped?

The Skirmishers' thing is that they're rogue human/alien hybrids, and in videos and screens the Skirmisher guy is noticeably bigger and heftier than the regular humans. I've been hearing rumors that he was mentioned at E3 to be specifically a human/muton hybrid, and it seems highly plausible.

Or is it Sputnik
Aug 22, 2009

Oh, Ho-oh oh oh, oh whoa oh oh oh
I'll get 'em caught, show Oak what I've got
Moreso than the regular mutons, who have had human DNA spliced to them?

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

Huh, I missed that in all the hype. Nifty.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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Bolow posted:

I love how condescending he is when he gets shot for like no damage

"I'm.made.of.metal"

All of the Spark lines, Julian or not, are amazing. Julian's sarcasm and Spark-001's unfailing politeness. "I apologize for your untimely demise" instantly became a favorite line of mine.

This expansion better bring more official SPARK voicepacks.

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic

Or is it Sputnik posted:

Moreso than the regular mutons, who have had human DNA spliced to them?

Think in this case those are Mutons with human DNA spliced into them, he's a human whose had Muton DNA spliced into him. Other way around.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Or is it Sputnik posted:

Moreso than the regular mutons, who have had human DNA spliced to them?

Dunno. It's not clear whether the Skirmishers are straight hybrids, or failed models that have been phased out - Tygan, Bradford, and Shen all comment that there have been several sectoid and muton variants over the years. Either way, the Skirmisher soldier dude seems to be a big mofo next to the regular humans and mutons are the only thing we know about right now that fits the bill for his alien side.

The Templars' thing is that they're humans who have developed psionic powers naturally, without alien DNA or specialized training, and the Templar soldier accordingly has completely different abilities from X-COM or the aliens like the psi-swords.

Haven't heard anything about who exactly the Reapers are or what they do beyond that the Reaper soldier is some kind of stealthy sneaky sniper.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

Malachite_Dragon posted:

Think in this case those are Mutons with human DNA spliced into them, he's a human whose had Muton DNA spliced into him. Other way around.

I thought one of the big plot points of the game is that almost all of the aliens you fight were originally humans though. The aliens started mass-human clones at the forge facilities and would substitute pieces of DNA from other species. That's what creates the alien-human hybrids.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
Not quite? All the ADVENT you fight are test tube human-lookalikes spawned from a factory, presumably with bits of human DNA as you said. All the actual aliens are totally, err, alien.

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

Bogart posted:

Hank Hill voice clips.

But only for dudes carrying the flamethrower.

Basic Chunnel posted:

I'm hype as gently caress for Harbinger to finally get traded to XCOM2 and you all are a bunch of fuckin dorks

A correct opinion.

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

srsly tho I dont get the hate for the expansion. XCOM has always been schlocky as gently caress. Hell the entire plot of XCOM:EU is lovingly crafted schlock and in fact XCOM 2 moved away from this a lil bit

Eraflure
Oct 12, 2012


I'm just in it for the gameplay, killing stupid characters is a bonus.

VolticSurge
Jul 23, 2013

Just your friendly neighborhood photobomb raptor.



I personally hope someone replaces all their cliche poo poo dialogue with either the Pillar Men or Waluigi. Mostly because hearing an Avatar (the James Cameron one) reject shout "WAAAAAAAAAA" in a goofy-rear end voice might take some of the sting off.

Maluco Marinero
Jan 18, 2001

Damn that's a
fine elephant.

babypolis posted:

srsly tho I dont get the hate for the expansion. XCOM has always been schlocky as gently caress. Hell the entire plot of XCOM:EU is lovingly crafted schlock and in fact XCOM 2 moved away from this a lil bit

For me personally it's not the shlock, it's the 'hero' focussed shlock that pulls XCOM away from being about the players' stories. But as I said, we'll see, and I'm sure either way I'll get a bunch of cool assets to work with. Multi faction fighting, (probably multi unit moves for the AI unless Firaxis expects us to wait for each 'lost' to move individually), a sick fuggin flamethrower. It's all good.

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss

🍖🍖😛🍖🍖
To me, it looked more like an Advent soldier (sans helmet) than a muton. He's got the big eyes and everything.

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

Maluco Marinero posted:

For me personally it's not the shlock, it's the 'hero' focussed shlock that pulls XCOM away from being about the players' stories. But as I said, we'll see, and I'm sure either way I'll get a bunch of cool assets to work with. Multi faction fighting, (probably multi unit moves for the AI unless Firaxis expects us to wait for each 'lost' to move individually), a sick fuggin flamethrower. It's all good.

i mean im sure it could be pullef off in a lovely and boring way but I have faith in firaxis that this will not be the case

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused
Firaxis has gotten the memo about people not liking forced hero units multiple times. Even if the resistance soldiers are always the same characters every time (I doubt it), the game will probably give you the option to have them be randomly generated to some extent.

Tricky Ed
Aug 18, 2010

It is important to avoid confusion. This is the one that's okay to lick.


It'd be pretty awesome if you just got command of a bunch of random Resistance mooks (like the blueshirts from base defense) for some mission and at the end you'd get to recruit/promote the ones that you liked.

Basically the ultimate conclusion of those resistance haven modded missions, except the ones who turn out awesome have unique stuff they can do.

Heffer
May 1, 2003

Tricky Ed posted:

It'd be pretty awesome if you just got command of a bunch of random Resistance mooks (like the blueshirts from base defense) for some mission and at the end you'd get to recruit/promote the ones that you liked.

Basically the ultimate conclusion of those resistance haven modded missions, except the ones who turn out awesome have unique stuff they can do.

I was thinking that earlier today. Start with just your gatekeeper crew, and you only get early Sgts from haven missions that terminally weed out the weakest 80%. Lift that restriction when you get the GTS.

Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015

worst gaming trend of the past 5 years: heroes

Suspicious
Apr 30, 2005
You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.
It's been longer than 5 years. Warcraft 3 came out in 2002.

DMW45
Oct 29, 2011

Come into my parlor~
Said the spider to the fly~
So, is there a mod list anywhere for the game?

Seeing the new expac made me want to run through the game one more time, but I haven't played since Alien Rulers first came out.

Instead of dealing with a bloated modlist with mods that may be out of date, etc, I just deleted everything and am gonna start fresh with new mods.

Foglet
Jun 17, 2014

Reality is an illusion.
The universe is a hologram.
Buy gold.

babypolis posted:

i mean im sure it could be pullef off in a lovely and boring way but I have faith in firaxis that this will not be the case

Well, I still remember Zhang who was dumb and threw away a perfectly good pistol.

Cream-of-Plenty
Apr 21, 2010

"The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."

Foglet posted:

Well, I still remember Zhang who was dumb and threw away a perfectly good pistol.

He threw it away to secure himself true VIP-escort status.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Dumb nitpicking time.

Man, I respect Musashi's efforts in making his Jedi and Samurai classes but the primary weapons animations just look so lifeless and unconvincing. Also the "twirl sword in hand" thing while idling puts me off. That's not the kind of thing you see in samurai movies. That's, like, Xena Warrior Princess stuff. The Way of the Samurai games are on steam for cheap as hell and they'd make a good reference for how samurai hold their swords. When you're not kicking corpses like a nasty crimeboy ronin.

And that's like the only thing stopping me from giving those mods a shot because he puts a ton of work into them.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

Vib Rib posted:

To me, it looked more like an Advent soldier (sans helmet) than a muton. He's got the big eyes and everything.

This makes way more sense in retrospect and is probably correct.

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

babypolis posted:

srsly tho I dont get the hate for the expansion. XCOM has always been schlocky as gently caress. Hell the entire plot of XCOM:EU is lovingly crafted schlock and in fact XCOM 2 moved away from this a lil bit

Someone said, and I'm paraphrasing here... "Blue Klingons with a laser-powered batleth"... like there's any part of that sentance that isn't loving awesome.

Think of all the crap that came up when swords were first introduced. People actually disliked the idea of hacking the heads of aliens in XCOM's glorious jihad to retake Earth. I don't understand how people turn out like that. Where did they go wrong in life?

Maluco Marinero
Jan 18, 2001

Damn that's a
fine elephant.

Psycho Landlord posted:

This makes way more sense in retrospect and is probably correct.

Skirmishers are meant to be former ADVENT who got pissed off at the aliens I think.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused
Skirmishers seem to be Advent soldiers that were created before the aliens refined their psionic control method. Through some means they managed to break the alien's hold over them and rebelled. Doubt that can happen with modern Advent since they are all test tube babies.

Maybe they can tell us what Mor Balatan really means.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Give us the recipe for advent burgers

Dervyn
Feb 16, 2014
Skirmishers are totally based on/ripped off bounty hunters from Darkest Dungeon, which is cool since that's my favourite class in that game. Pull, push and uppercut.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Alkydere posted:

All of the Spark lines, Julian or not, are amazing. Julian's sarcasm and Spark-001's unfailing politeness. "I apologize for your untimely demise" instantly became a favorite line of mine.

This expansion better bring more official SPARK voicepacks.

:agreed:

Hell, I'd be happy with just a couple female voice packs for sparks, and maybe an R2-D2 style beep-boops voice pack

Eraflure posted:

I'm just in it for the gameplay, killing stupid characters is a bonus.

Yeah, this is me. I treat XCOM like a very pretty board game, because that's how it runs, the way things look and sound just add to the atmosphere. I'm pretty sure I could have a similar amount of fun rolling dice around a table with some vaguely sectoid looking pieces of plastic (yes I know there is an XCOM:EU board Game)

Andre Banzai
Jan 2, 2012

jfood posted:

Someone said, and I'm paraphrasing here... "Blue Klingons with a laser-powered batleth"... like there's any part of that sentance that isn't loving awesome.

Think of all the crap that came up when swords were first introduced. People actually disliked the idea of hacking the heads of aliens in XCOM's glorious jihad to retake Earth. I don't understand how people turn out like that. Where did they go wrong in life?

I still don't like the idea of "metal swords" for fighting super advanced aliens that much (the other, more advanced types I'm ok with), but the mechanic is pretty darn cool in practice, so all is fine.

But anyway, it's all about *atmosphere*, dude. Someone said that XCOM:EU is schlock and... while I admit there's a pretty strong B-movie vibe there, at least the atmosphere of the missions was, in general, tense, creepy... And I really loved the game for that. I mean, look... the original Gollop game is my favorite game of all time... and when the Solomon remake came out... I kid you not, I stared at the title screen and listened to the theme song loop for about 20-30 minutes before I could even start the game. Just soaking up that atmosphere there and thinking to myself "I can't believe this game exists". So I have a pretty strong emotional bond with this franchise. And so maybe this expansion feels weird to me so far because it's just so different from what I've come to expect from the XCOM mythology and atmosphere.

I mean, poo poo, it does look pretty darn ridiculous even for XCOM 2 standards. And yeah, I think XCOM:EU had a much better setting than XCOM 2. I'm one of those insufferable fans.

With this expansion it's starting to look like one of those superhero universes where the writers keep adding powerful and "cool" stuff and eventually they have to reset the whole thing because everything is so over the top and idiotic that no one can stand the suckage anymore.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011
That atmosphere of gearing 30 rookies up with stun prods and sending them out in a psychotic charge to subdue one Sectoid in a barn. So majestic.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Honestly if you feel so strongly about how bad this expansion is, you should toxx yourself, your wining is getting annoying as gently caress.

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

30 fresh boot rookies, armed with cordless Black and Decker drills, in the hopes just one of them might take down a lobsterman.

So much atmosphere my hard drive stinks like ozone.

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME
I liked Xcom: EU for the tense and creepy atmosphere at times and the feeling of having a multinational coalition defending earth against a literally unknown force. It's hard to have the same atmosphere for a guerilla war where the enemy is well-known and you have the initiative, so I don't mind Xcom 2 being schlocky sci-fi kitchen sink ambushes and cyberninjas and whatever the gently caress they come up with next.

I admit I'd go wild for a remastered Xcom: EW with a bunch of cool ideas from Xcom 2 thrown in and toned down in ridiculousness, and there was a mod that set out to do this (though it might just be dead at this point, I dunno), but I like both for their own reasons. They definitely do have a bit of a different "feel" though.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Internet Kraken posted:

Did people in this thread also complain about Julian's incredibly angry and condescending voice acting? Cause I loved it. That kind of ridiculous attitude is what I like to see in Xcom villains cause it makes it so much more satisfying to blow them up.

Julian was great. I especially liked how he started to dunk on Bradford just to be an rear end.

quote:

Yeah, this is me. I treat XCOM like a very pretty board game, because that's how it runs, the way things look and sound just add to the atmosphere. I'm pretty sure I could have a similar amount of fun rolling dice around a table with some vaguely sectoid looking pieces of plastic (yes I know there is an XCOM:EU board Game)

The board game is excellent btw. It's real time (with a few seconds of pause) and if you fall behind you're punished for it.

RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Jun 14, 2017

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Bakalakadaka
Sep 18, 2004

Iron Crowned posted:

:agreed:

Hell, I'd be happy with just a couple female voice packs for sparks, and maybe an R2-D2 style beep-boops voice pack

There's a pretty good GlaDOS voice pack that can be used by Sparks on the workshop.

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