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Teenage Fansub posted:Clay Mann with Jordie Bellaire colours from today's Batman #24 Such a beautiful issue.
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Lurdiak posted:Don Heck is what you would call a journeyman artist, and I have nothing but respect for him. I won't argue that he put a ton of work in. He had a great eye for character design and a good sense of storytelling (which is something I've come to appreciate more and more as I get older; it's something I used to take for granted). But when you're reading 60s-70s Marvels, it's sort of bananas to think that this was on the stands alongside work by Kirby or Colan or the brothers Buscema (I'll go to the mat for Sal any day, incidentally; you want to talk about an underappreciated journeyman with great storytelling!), etc. I mean, I wouldn't hold up George Tuska as one of the greats (speaking of ubiquitious and merely average artists) but check out the splash page from Champions #3 in comparison to that last one:  You'll probably wring your hands about the cheese/beefcake, but whatever, the difference is night and day. That's just a good-looking panel.
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I don't have a problem with beach bod Angel, nor do I know why you would assume I would. You're of course right, but you have to understand that Kirby and Ditko and all the other greats weren't really appreciated as the greats they are back then. Nor are great artists working today seen as any better than the Lands or the Dillons (rip). Don Heck was being published alongside those big names because he was diligent and his work was coherent, and that was really the most important thing in a monthly publication. That sounds very backhanded, but I have great respect for him bringing to life so many classic stories, even if they were never as stylish or pretty as some of his contemporaries' works. Plus he could convey emotion pretty well through facial expressions alone, which is somewhat of a lost art in modern comics.
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Oh, for sure, I respect the man and appreciate all that he poured into this collective body of work that means so much to me. I just don't particularly like his art, which I felt was worth talking about, since I've had so many experiences in which I'd come to appreciate the quirks, styles, and intentions of artists I'd once disregarded (e.g. Frank Robbins - hard to defend, but man, he drew with such energy!) I get that cranking out books on time was pretty much Job One and any actual artistry that happened to emerge from the Job was just a happy coincidence, though, which is why I actually appreciate the old comics as much as I do. You like cats? I like cats.     Gulacy owed a lot to Steranko, but was also definitely doing his own thing. You could put out a coffee table book of Gulacy's MOKF splash pages and I'd snap it right up.
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I'm not trying to dunk on Heck but that's basically why Greg Land keeps getting work.
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Lurdiak posted:Don Heck is what you would call a journeyman artist, and I have nothing but respect for him. I think the biggest problem with Don Heck is that his style is so aesthetically synonymous with the era it was created in that it's hard not to view it was antiquated, and sadly, Heck lacks the kind of outre, surreal genius of Jack Kirby that makes his relatively dated style still amazing. Heck's work is solid and even impressive for its era, but it's not quite impressive enough to be timeless.
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Heck is definitely middle of the road in my eyes, but even today 40 odd years on from his day, someone who just does "good enough"art, but meets their deadlines is far more valuable than a slow, museum class superstar.
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I read through the entirety of this thread in the past few days. I was reading through my Sandman Mystery Theatre books, which is still probably my favorite series. I used to really dislike Guy Davis' art style, but now I think it really works well with the grubby, dark setting.  
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Lurdiak posted:Nor are great artists working today seen as any better than the Lands or the Dillons (rip). Are you seriously lumping Steve Dillon in with Greg "Lightbox" Land? Land traces almost everything, usually porn but just as often other artists' work, and doesn't even bother to match his sources from one panel to the next. Dillon absolutely lost his edge some time during the run on Preacher, but he remained a talented artist even after his work became formulaic.
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Pastry of the Year posted:
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NorgLyle posted:So I'm on record in another thread as being hopelessly naive about racial depictions in comic books when I was a kid (not picking up on Asp being something other than 'Grey Skinned Like Beast Is Blue Skinned' and such) but even as a young and sheltered comic nerd I was always embarrassed and horrified when I'd encounter a book featuring Shang-Chi or someone else colored that way. There were two asian kids who went to my elementary school and neither of them were bright orange nor lemon yellow. You'll be interested to know that you're not the only one, and it was in fact thanks to letters to MOKF that the way Asians in comics were colored got changed. Not least of the correspondents was a sci-fi author named William F. Wu, whose passionate - appreciative and critical - letters got published often. You can see the contrast here:  Everyone but the blonde woman in this image is Asian. They say they kept on coloring Shang-Chi and Fu Manchu as they did for reasons of continuity. Although, yeah, Shang-Chi's color did mellow to a sort of deep tan over the run of the series, and as for Fu Manchu, well, again, the letters columns of MOKF are pretty interesting; there were some that argued that the character was inherently racist and couldn't transcend that depiction. I think they went on with the pallid lemon yellow Fu (and Yellow Claw, etc) with the excuse of Fu's elixir vitae. MOKF is such, such a good comic; I'd hate for it to get discarded because its creators - who were as "woke" as you could hope to be as white guys in the 70s - made some missteps. They really busted their asses to do something worthwhile.  And Shang-Chi adopts that cat 
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Pastry of the Year posted:And Shang-Chi adopts that cat Well poo poo, guess Masters of Kung Fu is going on my to-read list now.
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From a Huffpo clickbait article What if superheroes had more realistic bodies:     Lol props to Cyborg for making his robot parts look fat to be more body pos.
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Lobok posted:Reminds me of This is important.
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Why does 'realistic bodies' mean fat, and not 'not muscled'.
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Bombadilillo posted:Why does 'realistic bodies' mean fat, and not 'not muscled'. Everyone irl is a doughboy
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Bombadilillo posted:Why does 'realistic bodies' mean fat, and not 'not muscled'. There are only two body types in the world. Doughboy and chiseled adonis.
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They need to do a "realistic bodies" version of Olympics photos.
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Just show some Alex Ross Grandpa Superman pinups, no problem.
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I think those bodies are already pretty realistic for a man with spider powers, an alien who is powered by the sun, a dude who lives under thousands of pounds of water pressure at all times, and a robot man whose body is literally built to be perfect. I'm a fat man and I fuckin' hate that "realistic means fat" poo poo.
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It's a veiled ad for a very sketchy looking addiction rehab referrer group.
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Madkal posted:There are only two body types in the world. Doughboy and chiseled adonis. I have the chest of the latter but the midriff of the former!
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I'd be ok with a fat spider-man becoming canon
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Didn't he have kind of a middle-aged spread in Earth-X?
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Archyduke posted:Didn't he have kind of a middle-aged spread in Earth-X? 
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One of my favourite George Pérez Wonder Woman covers: But they're all great. Probably some of the most consistently great covers any superhero series has had.
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Archyduke posted:Didn't he have kind of a middle-aged spread in Earth-X? Earth X also gave us fat, balding accountant Iceman 
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zoux posted:From a Huffpo clickbait article What if superheroes had more realistic bodies: He's a little too chubby, but Superman looks more like Superman without the aggressively chiseled and shiny body. E: Behold Superdad, the best of both worlds: 
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Lurdiak posted:He's a little too chubby, but Superman looks more like Superman without the aggressively chiseled and shiny body. Yeah, I've been playing the DC Legends phone game recently and it's really made me realize how un-Superman all that armor and muscles are. Of all heroes Superman's probably the one who most needs a smooth, basic outfit. He's the man of steel, what does he need with armor? Of course the most egregious problem in that game is that the helmet-less Deadshot has generic anti-hero scruff instead of the mustache, which is nauseatingly wrong.
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The Star Wars comic's art has gotten extremely bad recently. This page has both obvious copy paste and a lack of facial expression from queen redhair for what's supposed to be a very troubling event.
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Wow. That is a serious commitment to not drawing backgrounds.
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Lurdiak posted:He's a little too chubby, but Superman looks more like Superman without the aggressively chiseled and shiny body. It's Fleischer Superman!
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I mean even if he wasn't an alien granted godlike powers by the earth's sun, he still grew up on a farm. The markings on that lady's face in the Star Was page make it look like her eyes are bleeding.
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I honestly kinda like thicker Cyborg. He looks like he's built like a linebacker or something, and is actually a little more imposing being that shape.
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Choco1980 posted:I honestly kinda like thicker Cyborg. He looks like he's built like a linebacker or something, and is actually a little more imposing being that shape. It's not too far off from how Mike McKone drew him at the start of the Johns run.
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Oh man can you imagine https://twitter.com/PulpLibrarian/status/875704834963460097
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zoux posted:Oh man can you imagine I'm mourning for the urbex photos of the closed park from like 1997 more than the actual park because think about that
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zoux posted:Oh man can you imagine A billionaire needs to build this but call it Kirby World or something instead.
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