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Human Grand Prix posted:It would be difficult to overhaul a works team with a customer engine but perhaps McLaren could do it. They certainly have the resources. I'm not sure if it's enough to retain Alonso. I don't think he's going to stay if they just get a merc engine.
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Wirth1000 posted:He'll start his own team AlonsoGP. Bobby Rahal did this and won the 1992 CART championship. With an (outdated) customer engine. It can be done.
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Wirth1000 posted:He'll start his own team AlonsoGP. Alonso buys Force India.
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Norns posted:I don't think he's going to stay if they just get a merc engine. It's by far his best option.
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Alonso dreams of having that 2006-spec Ferrari engine Sauber are running.
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wicka posted:It's by far his best option. A Ferrari hail mary.
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Alonso to Ferrari, Sauber Honda gently caress off and die. Everyone is happy.
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Mclaren ditching Honda? Good loving riddance, they've denied us 3 years of Alonso-san kicking all kinds of butt.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:20
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Reminder the 2014 McLaren was poo also.
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wicka posted:It's by far his best option. They did magic the last time they had a merc engine
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Human Grand Prix posted:A Ferrari hail mary. If this universe has any sort of benevolent force it is what will happen.
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dentist toy box posted:Reminder the 2014 McLaren was poo also. Yeah it was baaaad but that was before Our Peter.
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Schumacher beat Hill with a non-works engine (in an arguably worse chassis). It can be done it's just very hard.
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Jun 14, 2017 23:53
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It only takes the best driver of all time and the entire team/organization revolving around you. No biggie.
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Human Grand Prix posted:It only takes the best driver of all time and the entire team/organization revolving around you. No biggie. So there's a chance
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Can't wait for the 2018 McLaren Ferrari. Edit: 2018 legendary return of McLaren Peugeot, wait they managed to get podiums with that car
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Human Grand Prix posted:It only takes the best driver of all time and the entire team/organization revolving around you. No biggie. To be fair, this is exactly Alonso's situation.
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Norns posted:Put a bag over lance strolls head forever Thanks Norns, I almost woke up the baby I was putting to sleep laughing at this. Also, "F1 2017: Just really poor power, and really poor reliability"
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Even Eddie Jordan is better in MotoGP. Everything is better in MotoGP.
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His band is actually alright. Also he really is some sort of paddock seer. The man has a lot of connections from his time as a shrewd team owner. I always take anything he feels confident in saying as either completely or some nugget of truth to it.
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Wirth1000 posted:His band is actually alright. Yeah, like when he says McLaren are dropping Honda for McLaren, either he's right or they're very very seriously considering it.
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:Even Eddie Jordan is better in MotoGP. Everything is better in MotoGP. I support anything that makes him too busy to go near an F1 podium.
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FIA really needs to hire Patrick Stewart as a race steward, probably no one is more capable of ruling on jump starts.
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wicka posted:He's so much better than Ron was. Holy gently caress you take this back right this instant, mister wicka posted:To be fair, this is exactly Alonso's situation. He's literally set up to absolutely loving dominate, and one end just cannot get their poo poo together 
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I think it worked for Alonso at Renault because Flavio was in charge and he made sure that the team culture evolved around Alonso. I don't think Alonso has that ability on his own and I don't think he'll get another WDC unless he lucks into a team that it already 'working'. He couldn't make it work at Mclaren the first time around and failed at Ferrari. Maybe the culture at Mercedes is strong enough (they can make it work despite Hamilton), but I simply don't see Alonso as a person who can help a team progress. Going to Ferrari is going to fail miserably. (again).
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dentist toy box posted:Reminder the 2014 McLaren was poo also. True, but they ended 5th in the constructors' championship. They're last this year, and if there was a place behind last, they would be that.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Schumacher beat Hill with a non-works engine (in an arguably worse chassis). It can be done it's just very hard. When? 1994? That was a works Ford.
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Dudley posted:When? 1994? That was a works Ford. 1995 was Renault and Benetton weren't a works outfit, they ended up taking Ligier's engine supply. Williams were still very much the Renault works entry.
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ImplicitAssembler posted:I don't think Alonso has that ability on his own and I don't think he'll get another WDC unless he lucks into a team that it already 'working'. He couldn't make it work at Mclaren the first time around and failed at Ferrari. If he had the team backing he got initially at Ferrari while at McLaren the first time, he probably wins a WDC. If he gets a car as competitive as the McLaren was at Ferrari he probably wins a WDC. He seems to always be in exactly the wrong place at exactly the wrong time. Even his Renault days are sketchy. Anyone here remember "Teflonso"? If this year's Ferrari isn't a fluke and Ferrari are really about to become competitive long-term and if Sebastien Vettel pulls a Rosberg (assuming he wins the crown this year, which is far from settled) then Alonso at Ferrari is a good choice. Otherwise, he's pretty much stuck.
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Yeah, if Alonso makes it to Ferrari and they remain competitive I'd say he has a shot. If he ends up at Merc then it's essentially a given. I don't see him going to Red Bull, or them being ready for another championship, but given what Max and Dan have managed on occasion there's still a chance Alonso could do it there.
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CratSock posted:Yeah, if Alonso makes it to Ferrari and they remain competitive I'd say he has a shot. If he ends up at Merc then it's essentially a given. I don't see him going to Red Bull, or them being ready for another championship, but given what Max and Dan have managed on occasion there's still a chance Alonso could do it there. If Lewis is still at Merc and has a non-retarded couple of years; maybe, maybe not. At Red Bull; he'd probably have the measure of either of them for a season or two, so it'd depend on whether Red Bull could build a competitive car. I doubt he'd go there though because Red Bull doesn't need Alonso. Frankly, neither does Merc. Ferrari might, it'd depend how brave they are in pissing off Vettel, and how much water has passed under the bridge since he left. For the lore nerds; can anyone think of someone who has left Ferrari acrimoniously and then come back? Exclude 50's era Fangio who would race for everybody obviously.
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dentist toy box posted:Reminder the 2014 McLaren was poo also. Was that the year that only Merc knew which way round the turbo was supposed to go?
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