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I've never touched the poo poo, possibly because people here keep making it sound like something you have to sink thousands of dollars into and you're also stupid if you tried. And god knows I don't want to be stupid. I'm that guy selling a jet.com 470 that went for $125 out the door after discounts, and was $50 after my last card was sold, for $320+. I still feel uncertain because I like PC gaming and living on integrated graphics will be hard. At least I have a PS4, 3DS, iPad, and indie/non-3D type games to keep me busy while replacement hunting. So I really shouldn't feel bad.
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Craptacular! posted:I've never touched the poo poo, possibly because people here keep making it sound like something you have to sink thousands of dollars into and you're also stupid if you tried. And god knows I don't want to be stupid. you could always pick up a 2nd hand 970 or something for cheap
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Probably a daft question, but would it be pointless to mine with a Quadro 2000D? I cant find it on any comparison charts.
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PerrineClostermann posted:I had 750 BTC way back in the day when I experimented with it for fun. CPU-mined, I found the blocks on my own. 1BTC was worth something like a penny at best, back then. I wouldn't be surprised if "billions" aren't sitting on discarded hard drives and thumbdrives in landfills at the moment. Lungboy posted:Probably a daft question, but would it be pointless to mine with a Quadro 2000D? I cant find it on any comparison charts. The Quadro 2000D is based on the GF106, which is more or less a GTS 450 low-end card from mid-2010. Nothing stopping you from slapping it in something and making it work for you - just don't expect miracles. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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DrDork posted:My only gripe is it's not trivial to figure out how to set all the different miners to respect a 90-95% GPU load so you can still use your computer for browsing or whatever while it mines. So, how do I do that?
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Lungboy posted:Probably a daft question, but would it be pointless to mine with a Quadro 2000D? I cant find it on any comparison charts. Yes, yes it would be. It's just eat power and do nothing.
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Palladium posted:So, how do I do that? For the scripts that use ccminer you can use --intensity=xxx in the extra command box under Settings and play around until you get what you want. On my 1080 I find that a value of 20-22 seems to work pretty well. On the scripts that use other miners, I've yet to get a working solution, but you can just disable them while you're using the computer and re-enable them before you go to bed/work or whatever.
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So as a total newb and downright low-IQ fella, could someone explain to me just *who* is buying these BTC, and *why*? Is it seriously either the hope that BTC to USD will go up, or that major retailers will accept BTC? Or is it a bunch of child pornographers paying for each other's DVDs?
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:So as a total newb and downright low-IQ fella, could someone explain to me just *who* is buying these BTC, and *why*? It's looking more likely that this is a way for the Chinese to launder money and escape currency controls. Rich Chinese people aren't allowed to exchange their money for other currencies, or even to invest in non-Chinese companies but cryptocurrencies don't exactly have the best oversight.
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I funnel my mined coins into my steam wallet to pay for my mmo addiction these days. I used to mine them, then held for like 2 years, and then sold them for several tens of thousands of dollars to fund my gaming rigs until I die with a single 6950 I bought to play games on. Also gonna pay for more better VR with the rest. Still holding some $1500 in Dogecoins, gonna buy a bike with those. Coins are good poo poo. I imagine a good percentage of the buttcoin community is drug dealers and money launderers, but you can say that about literally any currency. Just don't use shady regulation evading exchanges and you'll be fine. Bitstamp has been really good to me even when I cashed out my big bitcoin mining haul.
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:So as a total newb and downright low-IQ fella, could someone explain to me just *who* is buying these BTC, and *why*? Some of it is Chinese nationals trying to get something besides RMB I believe.
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:So as a total newb and downright low-IQ fella, could someone explain to me just *who* is buying these BTC, and *why*? i like to think of bitcoins as crowd sourced money laundering
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I'd do it but I dont think it'd be worth it on an old 4gb gtx760.
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Videocardz: ASUS, COLORFUL and MSI showcase their mining graphics cards Interestingly they are using new codenames for these, GP106-100 and GP104-100. A lower suffix usually means more cores are disabled, so they appear to be selling off their garbage-tier chips that weren't good enough to be GTX1060 3GBs or GTX1070s.
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repiv posted:Videocardz: ASUS, COLORFUL and MSI showcase their mining graphics cards Interesting. I have no idea why anybody would buy these though, as most miners are planning to bulk-sell their GPUs whenever this current round of mining bonanza ends. You can usually find someone willing to pay at least 50% of what GPUs cost new for 6 month old GPUs.
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repiv posted:Videocardz: ASUS, COLORFUL and MSI showcase their mining graphics cards  quote:
Seems like a totally legit "data sheet" to me, definitely not something dummied up in powerpoint with a stock photo. But seriously if they don't have video outputs and can't be SLI'd/Crossfire'd (because they don't have the same number of cores) then they will have to sell at a deep discount. Miners are perfectly happy to run standard cards given the opportunity for resale down the road. edit: and if that has more disabled cores than a standard 1060 3 GB and still retains a 120W TDP then efficiency kinda sucks. But still, given that miners are now snapping up NVIDIA's stock too they will probably sell some cards. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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You guys are genuinely making me wonder if I should be using my GPU to mine while I'm at work and asleep, and how this NiceHash thing works. Does it automatically deposit in a bitcoin wallet, and if so, what's the best bitcoin wallet service these days (ie. least likely to disappear and take my magic internet money with it)?
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I'm going to use NiceHash and use the proceeds to buy AMD. More eggs, smaller basket.
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Kazinsal posted:You guys are genuinely making me wonder if I should be using my GPU to mine while I'm at work and asleep, and how this NiceHash thing works. Does it automatically deposit in a bitcoin wallet, and if so, what's the best bitcoin wallet service these days (ie. least likely to disappear and take my magic internet money with it)? Do you either a) not pay for electricity or b) get it for dirt cheap and c) like to watch smallish amounts of money trickle in? If so, 
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Stanley Pain posted:Do you either a) not pay for electricity or b) get it for dirt cheap and c) like to watch smallish amounts of money trickle in? If so, I pay $0.11 CAD/kWh. NiceHash is estimating I'll be pulling in about $7 CAD/day mining while I'm at work and asleep on a GTX 1070. I have an R9 290 in my closet. I am seriously thinking about building a small computer with a poo poo GPU just to stick that in and then putting it on my balcony.
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Even with my old Aussie electricity price of 36c/kWh it would be a 250% profit ratio, and that's with old Maxwell efficiency. The real cost is that of hardware, and everyone in here that games has already sunk that.
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never before have i so much regretted having a gaming laptop, not desktop.
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The Iron Rose posted:never before have i so much regretted having a gaming laptop, not desktop. And never did I expect to get into Magic Internet Money.
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Kazinsal posted:And never did I expect to get into Magic Internet Money. Our only crime is not getting into this poo poo sooner. loving SA autists kept me from trying it before but now I have 100 extra dollars from last week. Lost opportunity but I'll take the scraps before it dies 🤷🏻♂️
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Kazinsal posted:You guys are genuinely making me wonder if I should be using my GPU to mine while I'm at work and asleep, and how this NiceHash thing works. Does it automatically deposit in a bitcoin wallet, and if so, what's the best bitcoin wallet service these days (ie. least likely to disappear and take my magic internet money with it)? Yeah it automatically deposits every week, I use coinbase as a wallet.
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I really need to grab a junk tower and a 500W PSU off Craigslist for my R9 290... Probably better long term profitability than just ebaying the card.
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Kazinsal posted:I really need to grab a junk tower and a 500W PSU off Craigslist for my R9 290... Probably better long term profitability than just ebaying the card. Probably not, given that you can likely sell that 290 for $250-300.
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Just be aware that it is clearly a bubble. Don't sink anything into hardware that you don't already own/would care if you got stuck with. If you have "excess" GPUs you might be better off just selling them right now for a "guaranteed" ROI instead. $400+ right now for a <$200 GPU is hard to refuse. If you mine until the bubble pops don't expect to resell, because when the prices finally crash the glut of hardware on the used market is going to be loving epic. RX 480s were already pushing under $150, we could easily see them drop under $100 or even lower. There is a story that comes to mind about how Joseph Kennedy avoided the 1929 stock market crash - he got his shoes shined, and after the bootblack was telling him about the stocks he'd bought Kennedy decided that if a bootblack was daytrading then the market was definitely overheated. Yeah, casual 1920s racism, but the point is still valid. Retail investment in Bitcoin is huge in South Korea and Japan, so I think we're getting to that phase with Bitcoin. If you're going to do it, I would definitely cash out regularly, the person who mentioned buying gift cards and enjoying some free burritos courtesy of your GPU has it right. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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How many bubbles have there been? I remember just a tremendous amount of them. The first one i recall popped at 32-33 USD
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Kazinsal posted:I really need to grab a junk tower and a 500W PSU off Craigslist for my R9 290... Probably better long term profitability than just ebaying the card. Im not sure I'd invest in hardware for "long term gains" unless you can use the hardware later and not regret it, because for instance Ethereum is going to stop depending on miners to generate coins, and bitcoin you never know, and other coins who the gently caress knows. I already had the hardware, and I'm thinking of buying a new better PC for games, but if this poo poo tanks in 3 months I wouldn't regret it. What I mean is, building mining rigs and poo poo still seems like kind of a bad idea for me, but who knows?
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There was one around $100 as well, and a big one around $700. I know there was a recent one that popped around $2500 where the price then tanked to about $1500, but it's recovered. I'm not trying to be the guy playing the long con here. I just have excess hardware and cheap electricity.
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Kazinsal posted:I really need to grab a junk tower and a 500W PSU off Craigslist for my R9 290... Probably better long term profitability than just ebaying the card. If you are actually serious about putting together a mining rig you'll want a nice 80-Plus Gold-rated PSU (or higher). In the short term it's profitable enough you don't need to worry about efficiency, but either way you have expensive components (at least at current prices) and it doesn't make sense to put them on a janky power supply that might surge them out. 750-1000W is about the most that's affordable anymore, prices for 1200W and up increase very rapidly since nobody does triple/quad SLI/CF anymore. Also, please remember the early days of the RX 480 when people were blowing up motherboards by overdrawing the slot. Most motherboards are not really designed to handle more than 1 or 2 devices that are drawing the full rated load from the slot. You'll want either one of those boards with a Molex on it for additional aux power to the slots, or to use "powered risers" that feed the card directly from a Molex rather than through the mobo. With powered risers, you can't use a standard case, which is one reason why bitcoiners slap together cases from milk crates and poo poo. (I wonder if consumer cases designed around flexible risers are going to be a thing at some point for more professional-looking builds - like, you get a second "notch" on the back panel above the first that you can slot a card into. Risers are already used in some ultra-small mITX builds and the 3M risers are perfectly good for full-speed performance. The 3M risers are expensive but it's just a quantity thing, if they were mass-produced they would be $20 a pop. Probably just too niche a market to ever be a thing though.)
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Thanks for the info. I'm not really planning on doing a "mining rig" like most of the people indoctrinated into the Cult of Satoshi, just a barebones PC and decent EVGA power supply to support a card I already had sitting in my closet. I don't want to invest in this. This is just a passive thing that'll pay my power and internet bill, basically.
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if you guys are ~mining~ enthusiasts now then perhaps it's worth creating a new thread for it? I just saw 30 unread posts in the GPU thread, got excited for some hot Volta/Vega news and instead I found video cards without display outputs. 
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I don't think anyone here is even close to being a "mining enthusiast". We all just have $wtf invested into video cards and are trying to make a few bucks off that before the bubble explodes like the Tsar Bomba and hundreds of bitcoin fedora cultists commit seppuku over it.
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One interesting quirk with the mining is that some of the algorithms run faster on the GTX 1070 than they do on the 1080 because the latency characteristics of GDDR5 suit them better than those of GDDR5X. I'd like a better explanation of why that is the case.
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RIP my decision to buy a 270x instead of a 280 or 290 back when. Oh well. Hopefully this poo poo pops soon, I've got a ton of computers (Mine, kids, wife) that need upgrades and I'm happy to throw down for some $100 480s.
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MaxxBot posted:One interesting quirk with the mining is that some of the algorithms run faster on the GTX 1070 than they do on the 1080 because the latency characteristics of GDDR5 suit them better than those of GDDR5X. I'd like a better explanation of why that is the case. As someone whose master's thesis was a GPGPU program, it's probably that the algorithm was hand-tuned at the bottom of the loop with C or assembly that produces optimal access patterns on GDDR5. It's perfectly timed (potentially using Undefined Behavior like not using warp-level syncs) so that your read comes in just as you need it, and GDDR5X triggers a slightly different routine in the microcode that has very subtly different timing (remember: unlike GDDR5 it's quad-pumped per clock), and because the memory access is blocking the scheduler is suddenly sleeping the warp and resuming something else in. This screws up the meticulously hand-timed code, because unfortunately Undefined Behavior is often the best way to extract the last bit of performance from in GPGPU. You can trivially test VRAM bandwidth, which is a major limiting factor for eth as far as I know. Of course the cores are faster, that's not it. So it's got to be the scheduler. Nobody mines with GTX 1080s, if you're a bitlord who's rolling every penny into more RX 580s then who's gonna bother with writing a hand-tuned assembly kernel for a card nobody uses? Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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So if you were to build a mining rig, the best GPU for that is RX 580? But, those are what everyone is snatching up, so there price is skyrocketing and they aren't in stock anywhere? Is that right? Just browsing over this thread has made me interested in doing something like that. Are there any other cards that people are grabbing for this kind of thing? I don't know much about video cards so I don't know why this one in particular is better than any other
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