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It's a way better idea to discreetly follow the boat and catch the sub with its pants down, but it's time high time the lunatics ran the asylum for awhile. Hijack! Splode fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Nick Esasky posted:The other issue, of course, is that they may not be getting UNREP during our mission timeframe, especially given that they just got a shipment of food which might well have involved some fuel being sent over too. That, and the weather may or may not involve low enough cloud cover to neutralize the Gorgon, and the ELINT on the sub is good enough to go OH poo poo and dive if we try to use radar off of any of the ASW assets to find it. This is a much better idea. We also have the Argus, Atlantique, MH90s, and the Dutch Frigates who can surface search. If spotted, send a frigate to board and search the ship. If it refuses to comply, sink it.
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Jun 15, 2017 03:31
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Always hijack everything at every opportunity.
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Jun 15, 2017 03:34
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Seize the sub.
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Jun 15, 2017 03:55
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Hijack that sub
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Jun 15, 2017 03:57
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Stealth fly behind the freighter and then missile the sub when it surfaces
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Jun 15, 2017 03:57
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Bacarruda posted:This is a much better idea. We also have the Argus, Atlantique, MH90s, and the Dutch Frigates who can surface search. This seems like a very solid option. Risk taking is all well and fun until somebody loses half their Gripens
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Jun 15, 2017 04:08
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Yooper, just to confirm, are you taking "hijack the boat" votes to mean "VBSS the freighter mid-transit, then use it to get close to and VBSS the submarine" or "shadow the freighter until it is solidly UNREPed with the submarine, then VBSS them both while they're moving the burgers and gas"? People seem to be using that vote to refer to both options.
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Jun 15, 2017 04:15
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Ya, the thread is essentially flailing wildly in the general direction of "fun", while having no actual idea/interest in how this would be done.
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Jun 15, 2017 04:39
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Voting Shadow the freighter in the event we can identify and track it to use to try and find the sub. Do Not vote for dropping folks onto the sub. This si the Bering Strait. During WW2 the USN lost several hundred people fighting in the Aleutains to completley unoccupied islands when the crews were sober. I don't think we're going to have much better luck. Use the ship to possibly help track the sub, don't try and board it.
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Jun 15, 2017 04:42
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My great hope is that when he arrives on the freighter, Cobbie detects a great and terrible presence: His ex-wife already jujitsuing the captain and screaming 'TAKE ME TO THE GOONS' on the bridge.
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Jun 15, 2017 04:43
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Betcha the young woman we are looking for is on the sub.
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Jun 15, 2017 04:45
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 Red Dragon Security With the hiring of Scott Brown in 2014, Wrexham Football Club forced its way into football's elite teams. Their new status gave them great fortune and the chairmen of the club sought to embezzle some of the money. Originally done to fuel the lavish lifestyles of said chairmen, the rise of PMCs changed their minds. Fueled by bloodlust and the promise of more money, the chairmen created Red Dragon Security in 2021. Originally composing of hundreds of well-trained hoolgians providing Team and Fan security, over time the company began to expand its operations and acquire several airframes and land vehicles. The two events that pushed Red Dragon Security as a serious group were the blockade of Tackleford City in December 2022 and the airstrike on Eurodisney in April 2023.These successful actions made investors take notice into the company and allowed Wrexham AFC to officially support the PMC financially. As Scott Brown and Wrexham set to take over the footballing world, so too does Red Dragon Security seek to become the world's premier PMC. A callback to the FM2014 Let's Play. Wish it was in the LP Archive. 
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Jun 15, 2017 04:51
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paragon1 posted:Betcha the young woman we are looking for is on the sub. Good storytelling essentially demands it. quote:Bacarruda posted:
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omegasgundam posted:Ya, the thread is essentially flailing wildly in the general direction of "fun", while having no actual idea/interest in how this would be done. No actually I'm pretty sure we are flailing wildly in the direction of the specific plan Yooper offered with only some minor differing ideas on the details 
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Jun 15, 2017 04:52
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Bacarruda posted:This is a much better idea. We also have the Argus, Atlantique, MH90s, and the Dutch Frigates who can surface search. Seems reasonable enough.
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Jun 15, 2017 04:54
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Bacarruda posted:This is a much better idea. We also have the Argus, Atlantique, MH90s, and the Dutch Frigates who can surface search. Changing my vote to this.
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Jun 15, 2017 04:57
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Send in Cobbie and Hijack.
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Jun 15, 2017 05:07
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Follow at a distance, engage once the sub surfaces
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Jun 15, 2017 05:36
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power crystals posted:No actually I'm pretty sure we are flailing wildly in the direction of the specific plan Yooper offered with only some minor differing ideas on the details Most of us are very unclear on what the details are, and just want to steal a boat.
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Jun 15, 2017 05:41
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I've given up on not trying to hijack the boat and just hope to get people on board with not hijacking until the sub is surfaced. We'll know we have the right boats AND it'll take time for the sub to prep to dive. Even if it gets away we'll know where it is.
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Jun 15, 2017 05:43
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what if Cobbie and his blokes keep the crew at gunpoint and makes them stick to their original resupply plan, so when the sub surfaces they secure both the ship and the sub?
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Jun 15, 2017 05:54
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RandomPauI posted:Track from distance, then swarm sub mid replenishment. I vote this. If we can't get the sun on the surface, we have a very good datum point to start dropping sonobouys on. A diesel sun can't move very fast on batteries.
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Jun 15, 2017 06:02
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Splode posted:what if Cobbie and his blokes keep the crew at gunpoint and makes them stick to their original resupply plan, so when the sub surfaces they secure both the ship and the sub? The crew might give off a warning to the sub during the raid or as the resupply is about to start. Or it might give a warning to other ships about pirates. Or take us to the wrong place. Waiting for the resupply to start means having to fight two crews, but it also catches them both with their pants down. Edit: Both scenarios could also result in us targeting the wrong ship. But hijacking a civilian vessel with guns blazing is piracy, an act we can't walk back. Stalking one would just be a waste of time. RandomPauI fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Jun 15, 2017 06:07
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hijack that bote
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Jun 15, 2017 06:12
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RandomPauI posted:
It's only piracy if you come off worse. Otherwise we were boarding for inspection due to piratical activities in the area. You know, like the USN does around Somalia. Stop and Search for Safer Seas. It's not like we kill the crew or steal the cargo or ransom the freighter. After we're done let it go in its merry way. And terrorists who nuked Alaska can't really complain too much, nor will the international community, if their sub gets confiscated
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simplefish posted:It's only piracy if you come off worse. We can't afford to do an inspection. Those require communicating to the vessel that it's going to be boarded for an inspection. But that gives time for the cargo vessel to warn ANGRYpeace. So this would have to be a straight up seizure done quickly and without notice. Let's assume we're still legally covered by the UN mandate to do that with the slim amount of evidence we have. We'd still be in the shitter if we get any civilians killed because we stormed the boat. Such casualties could easily happen if the crew fought back. Especially so if they carried small arms to repel pirates. And we would look like pirates to them. Making things worse if the crew has enough time to fight back they could have enough time to get out a message. And if that message is to tell ANGRYpeace "we're being boarded" then we don't get to capture the submarine.
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Jun 15, 2017 07:18
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Why are we still worried about the UN of all things?
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from IRC, I am in no way caught up in the thread so if I'm talking out my rear end, lmk <cat_herder> wait, so you're no longer affiliated with the USN? because America doesn't give a gently caress about warning a vessel that it's about to be boarded for inspection <cat_herder> typically you spring that poo poo on someone when they least expect it so you can catch them loving up <cat_herder> that's the whole point of a sudden inspection <cat_herder> just walk aboard, stride around like you own the bote, hassle them about minor bullshit stuff to get a bribe if it's a civvie ship or otherwise not the right target <cat_herder> and plant something to find and shut them down if it's the right ship <cat_herder> so you look like you're fighting the drug war or some bullshit
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Jun 15, 2017 07:40
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Couldn't we reach via back channels to BSNC to help us identify the correct ship? Since we know it's not their sub.
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Jun 15, 2017 07:54
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hijack that boat! Can we keep it afterwards though?
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Jun 15, 2017 07:58
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Hijack Bote, keep Bote, why is this even a vote.
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Jun 15, 2017 08:06
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXSSrBBZV_8 e:this is my vote Anta fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Jun 15, 2017 10:12
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RandomPauI posted:Follow at a distance, engage once the sub surfaces This. Use REAPER and COBBIE IN A HELICOPTER on HIPPIE SUBMARINE. Ride of the Valkyries is not optional 
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Jun 15, 2017 11:07
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cat_herder posted:from IRC, I am in no way caught up in the thread so if I'm talking out my rear end, lmk I stand corrected about the inspection part. But I think the rest of my argument still stands. PenguinSalsa posted:This. Use REAPER and COBBIE IN A HELICOPTER on HIPPIE SUBMARINE. Either way, we'd need to use Ride of the Valkyries.
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Jun 15, 2017 11:36
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Davin Valkri posted:Yooper, just to confirm, are you taking "hijack the boat" votes to mean "VBSS the freighter mid-transit, then use it to get close to and VBSS the submarine" or "shadow the freighter until it is solidly UNREPed with the submarine, then VBSS them both while they're moving the burgers and gas"? People seem to be using that vote to refer to both options. Correct. If we go the HIJACK route then we plop Cobbie onto a freighter that looks suspicious BEFORE it has met the sub. This is a big if too. There might not be any resupply freighters nearby. The sub might have everything they need. Or the sub gets spooked by something and waits for the UNREP another day.
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Jun 15, 2017 12:13
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Hmm if it's a case of take a gamble of what looks dodgy at port, that's a real big If. If it's Cobbie following the Facon Cheeseburgers then that helps a lot This is of course assuming that surveilling ships from the air and paradropping our Bogan Bonanza on them is off the table Because that's the way I'd go. Get a solid ID on the ship by hanging back then dropping in our men mid-resupply to take the sub with haatches open. I'm operating under the assumption that Daughter is on the sub, so we 100% shouldn't sink it unless directly and overwhelmingly threatened. You know the Navy SEALS drop RIBs along with their men then they go on a mission. It's not trying to parachute people onto the deck
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It's Not Piracy When We Do It. Call it a hostile audit. A due diligence operation. If we get the wrong ship...paying compensation for loss of ship time or any unfortunate crew 'incidents' is probably cheaper than losing a factory ship. We're doing conventional ASW in parallel anyway. Direct any complaints from Iceberg to our legal counsel at Meteor, Meteor & Meteor LLP. e: I don't expect them to surrender. There's been too much history. Too much blood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anXPPTk-jY8 Anta fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Jun 15, 2017 12:43
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Why are we concerned about being called pirates when our original goal is to sink the thing instead? We can always return the freighter when we're done. I think sending up the Reaper and having Cobbie try to jack the freighter (and then sub) is a perfectly reasonable option given that it does not involve any of our assets already tasked for something in this plan. The only real problem is if we don't ID the right freighter. Even if the sub never rendevous with the freighter, the rest of the plan can still try to sink it.
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For all intents and purposes we are operating in the region under a UN mandate. Everyone else are the pirates while We're law enforcement. I don't quite get the hesitance to rally behind one of the few benefits we get from our employer.
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