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Three panel comics of Poppy and Kit sitting on a couch playing videogames! Edit: This is it, the worst snipe, I'm so proud
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Jun 15, 2017 06:12
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I would throw all the money in the world at a sketchy-art Poppy slice of life thing.
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Jun 15, 2017 06:15
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Dang, I've really enjoyed Poppy  . I can imagine how rough it is to produce, though, and if it ain't workin' it ain't workin'.
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Jun 15, 2017 06:28
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The only webcomic that should be in the library of congress is Sluggy Freelance.
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Jun 15, 2017 12:12
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who sends death threats to webcomic artists? tumblr? turning a webcomic into a novel won't work i wasn't really a fan of the comic, but morbi seemed to be chill and sane for a webcomic artist and he had the guts to post in the 4c thread Hogge Wild fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Jun 15, 2017 13:15
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Hogge Wild posted:morbi seemed to be [...] sane You're contradicting yourself here.
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Jun 15, 2017 13:31
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Cat Mattress posted:You're contradicting yourself here. i said for a webcomic artist some of them are real characters
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Jun 15, 2017 13:42
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FactsAreUseless posted:The only webcomic that should be in the library of congress is Sluggy Freelance. also Boston and Shaun
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Jun 15, 2017 14:13
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If I go the web novel approach, I'm going to try and balance it out with as much visual feedback as I can, because I know exactly how it jarring feels to go from "webcomic" to "pure text descriptions" myself. People inherently like knowing what their mental image of a situation should be. At the very least, every character introduction and location change would be accompanied by an illustration, and action scenes will be more or less storyboarded, maybe even as entire full-comic pages inserted within the text.
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Jun 15, 2017 14:36
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How did you get this far into it without noticing that it would take 25 years to finish the hobby project you were kinda lukewarm about going in?
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Jun 15, 2017 15:45
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Morbi posted:If I go the web novel approach, I'm going to try and balance it out with as much visual feedback as I can, because I know exactly how it jarring feels to go from "webcomic" to "pure text descriptions" myself. People inherently like knowing what their mental image of a situation should be. That's a decent idea and could work well. Now you just need a better story, world and characters.
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Jun 15, 2017 15:46
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Morbi posted:If I go the web novel approach, I'm going to try and balance it out with as much visual feedback as I can, because I know exactly how it jarring feels to go from "webcomic" to "pure text descriptions" myself. People inherently like knowing what their mental image of a situation should be. I'm going to keep reading it regardless, because it's amazing, but I know from the other illustrated stories you did that it just isn't going to feel the same. Just for example, it's hard to fit in time to do the little background jokes, because if it's illustrated in the midst of text, everything in it automatically feels important. That's life, though. I think a lot of us would at least like to know how the story ends and it would provide a path for that.
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Jun 15, 2017 15:50
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PMush Perfect posted:8 Bit Theater is the only good sprite comic.
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Jun 15, 2017 15:53
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Morbi posted:If I go the web novel approach, I'm going to try and balance it out with as much visual feedback as I can, because I know exactly how it jarring feels to go from "webcomic" to "pure text descriptions" myself. People inherently like knowing what their mental image of a situation should be. Personally, I'd be fine with that. Hopefully the 'deaththreat, leave if anything changes' contingent is small.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:09
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Death threats will hopefully be small no matter what happens but readership's likely to fall off a cliff. Poppy's main appeal is in its art, not its writing.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:22
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webcomics is too insecure a job to continue with if you're not in love with it, imo
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Jun 15, 2017 16:36
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AriadneThread posted:webcomics is too insecure a job to continue with if you're not in love with it, imo It actually seems like a reliable source of income once you're established.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:38
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Typical Pubbie posted:It actually seems like a reliable source of income once you're established. In the same way that starting a band is maybe
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Jun 15, 2017 16:59
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Typical Pubbie posted:It actually seems like a reliable source of income once you're established. Eh there are a few exceptions but on average, even if you are making a livable income the amount of work it takes to sustain it is pretty immense. People always underestimate how much work goes into maintaining a comic. If you break it down hourly many successful webcomic artists don't even make minimum wage. Comics are terrible for money. If you have debt(lol artschool) or need health insurance on top of that, then it's even worse if you are a US artist. There's plenty of good reasons to make a comic, but money sure as hell ain't one of them.
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Jun 15, 2017 17:02
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JuniperCake posted:There's plenty of good reasons to make a comic, but money sure as hell ain't one of them. Can't emphasize this enough, there's a freakish amount of luck involved in making a comic "successful", even if you know what you're doing.
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Jun 15, 2017 17:15
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I'm not denying that it's hard to break out or that comics are hard work. But it seems like a predictable business model. You know roughly what your patreon donations will be, and your cost is the time it takes to make the comic plus hosting. The only pitfall is underestimating how long a page will take to make, or having your wacom die in you. I'm not saying it's easy, just predictable.
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Jun 15, 2017 17:38
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Morbi, go back and look at the last two Tumblr asks you answered. They're like the internal voice people use to put themselves down made flesh, and you're giving them air time over people who don't actively delight in making you feel like poo poo. Just, consider turning off your asks or something, get your feedback and criticism from friends and family and artists who actually want you to succeed. I'm not saying it's going to make you feel differently about what to do with Poppy in the long run, but however much it may seem fun to wind these people up with deadpan responses, people like that are poison to a person's mental wellbeing. Don't do that to yourself. Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Jun 15, 2017 20:20
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Typical Pubbie posted:It actually seems like a reliable source of income once you're established. Yeah all you have to do is start in the late nineties or early 2000s, and never ever miss an update
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Jun 15, 2017 20:25
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https://www.dresdencodak.com Webcomic fans rarely punish their favorites monetarily for missing updates. As long as you have your patreon set to monthly donations the money stream is very resilient. You are set up for monthly donations, right Morbi?
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Jun 15, 2017 20:37
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If it's so easy and reliable why don't you try it out and let us know how it goes?
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Jun 15, 2017 20:42
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"Caught lightning in a bottle" is so common a turn of phrase, that must mean it's super easy to do!! Webcomics, especially post-2005, are the epitome toiling in obscurity for years before maybe gaining any kind of following at all, much less one that will pay you a livable salary en masse. There's a reason the Making Comics thread is called "Howling into the void three times a week." It is not something I would ever consider to be or recommend as a source of easy income. If you're doing it, you better love doing it because that's the only guaranteed reward.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:47
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It's weird how people are fighting me on this when I literally said it isn't easy, but once you are established (which Poppy is by webcomic standards), the income is dependable and won't just vanish if you stop updating. As long as your patreon is setup right.
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Typical Pubbie posted:It's weird how people are fighting me on this when I literally said it isn't easy, but once you are established (which Poppy is by webcomic standards), the income is dependable and won't just vanish if you stop updating. As long as your patreon is setup right. Getting established is beyond "not easy," it's basically winning the lottery. Your comic can be really good and people just won't know about it because they don't happen to notice your banner ad or your fans aren't the kind of people to talk about webcomics they like to their friends. It's just not something to bank on, especially if your fanbase is getting hostile and terrible which seems to be the case for Morbi with Poppy.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:55
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Typical Pubbie posted:It's weird how people are fighting me on this when I literally said it isn't easy, but once you are established (which Poppy is by webcomic standards), the income is dependable and won't just vanish if you stop updating. As long as your patreon is setup right. Patreon is a fairly new revenue stream and might well not exist in a few years. It fluctuates on the whims of donors and may only provide negligible income at best depending on the comic.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:57
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Yes. You are correct. Getting popular isn't easy, which is irrelevant since we're talking about a relatively popular webcomic. Morbi, ignore the haters. Love yourself.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:00
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I think right now, the problem with webcomics, at least some, is they're a dime a dozen for some genres. Gag-a-day is cool and all, but why should I read X when Y already provides for me? I think some writers feel that "oh, this isn't attracting people" compared to a similar one, or is criticized for being a clone of Z and well, you end up with likely what happened to CAD.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:05
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iospace posted:what happened to CAD. Making $4,680 a month on patreon?
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Jun 15, 2017 21:11
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Tunicate posted:Making $4,680 a month on patreon? Not my point. What I'm saying is one could argue that it was being accused of being unoriginal and spoofing PA or whatnot, so it decided to try a plot and well, we all know where that went.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:56
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Whatever a webcomicker decides to do with their content is their choice. So long as there isn't some kind of kind of contract or preorders or anything, there's no real obligation to continue beyond their own work ethic. Patreon donations means there's some kind of viewer base that's financially invested somehow or another, and that's a whole bag of worms, but whatever obligations that creates are nebulous at best. I'd consider it bad form at least to do a long hiatus or straight-up stop in the middle of a story without like a heads-up. I feel like even though there are very successful webcomics out there, webcomics are still more of a hobby that you can get lucky with than a career. Most every creative field is filled with amateurs eager for a chance at the big time, just with webcomics it's much more feasible to self-publish and put content out on your own.
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Here's how you can be a webcomic success: 1. Build a time machine 2. Start your comic in the late 90s or the early 00s.
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Jun 15, 2017 22:03
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Cat Mattress posted:Here's how you can be a webcomic success: Tell that to Argon Zark!
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Morbi posted:If I go the web novel approach, I'm going to try and balance it out with as much visual feedback as I can, because I know exactly how it jarring feels to go from "webcomic" to "pure text descriptions" myself. People inherently like knowing what their mental image of a situation should be. do what ya gotta do to make it something you can continue, enjoy, and finish in a reasonable amount of time. If you're feeling more passionate about writing, then doing illustrated stories seems like a good way to go. The winter story's use of illustration felt a little weak as images weren't super frequent, and also generally disconnected from the content of the story as asides, but I think you could find a good balance. The original moomin books did a nice job of it, including formatting text + illustration to support each other. Even for text there's a visual aesthetic space you can play with:   this might align with trying out more multimedia concepts in general, such as having cool audio-talented fans make music you embed as a background track to a story page or doing a bit of animation to punctuate an illustration. those sort of neat little change ups can help with the ever-encroaching monotony (and might be why the winter content was so refreshing to you). dunno how much writing you've done in general but I'd definitely recommend finding a cool editor you trust to give some oversight and feedback if you decide to go heavy with text moving forward, that sort of oversight is super helpful for any media project of any significant length honestly. and if you do end up going web novel route, there's nothing stopping you from being more art-lavish on particularly important sections of story, or saying 'hey this is a climax to action so I'll do a page summarizing then a few pages to end the arc on.' have you done any other comic (or illustrated story) concepts during Poppy's 300 pages? it might be worth lowering output on Poppy and trying something/s new and forcibly short, self-contained, to test out possible new formats and to see if it breaks your funk.
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I know you assholes are gonna jump down my wizened scotch hardened throat for this but Poppy just seems like a furry webcomic with some weird magic anime poo poo going on and I don't get why its such a break away hit with goon- You know what, I think I get it.
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I've said it before, but when you get right down to it, Bugs Bunny is just a big talking rabbit, too. Most people seem pretty okay with that. Who even gives a poo poo if the main character is some kind of animal person? I've read things where the main character was a robot or a four-foot tall hairy-footed kleptomaniac or a zombie wizard or the personification of the concept of death and it doesn't make a drat bit of difference in the end. All that's important is that interesting stuff happens in the story and that whatever the main character is plays into it.
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