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botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Potato Salad posted:

:wtc: Salem witch trials


okay fine, he qualified "political" witch hunt but come on.

Red Scare trials. Japanese internment. Bill Clinton's impeachment.

those didn't involve him though. how could they be as important!

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Total Party Kill
Aug 25, 2005

Potato Salad posted:

Red Scare trials. Japanese internment. Bill Clinton's impeachment.

Birtherism, too.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Potato Salad posted:

Red Scare trials. Japanese internment. Bill Clinton's impeachment.

There's a word that's right on the tip of my tongue, I think it starts with a B but I can't quite remember.



e: ^^^^^^^ no not that one

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Does anyone like me?

We're goons, we hate eachother only slightly less than we hate everything else, which is why it gets so terrible when theres no news.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

nerdz posted:

Yeah, the main takeaway of this shooting is justification for skipping town halls.

They hosed off away from the town halls well before this when their own voters dared to question them over AHCA. A good number of them are running away from any press. The only thing missing now are mason jars of piss.

TARDISman
Oct 28, 2011



haveblue posted:

There's a word that's right on the tip of my tongue, I think it starts with a B but I can't quite remember.



e: ^^^^^^^ no not that one

It involves someone named Ben I think. Ben Carson? Has he been up to no good?

Total Party Kill
Aug 25, 2005

haveblue posted:

There's a word that's right on the tip of my tongue, I think it starts with a B but I can't quite remember.

B-B-B-Benghazi!

LaserShark
Oct 17, 2007

It's over, idiot. You're gonna die here and now, and the last words out of your mouth will have been 'poop train.'

haveblue posted:

There's a word that's right on the tip of my tongue, I think it starts with a B but I can't quite remember.



e: ^^^^^^^ no not that one

I, too, think Benedict Arnold was unjustly slandered.

Phoix
Jul 20, 2006




https://twitter.com/adamcancryn/status/875372117730131970

also Tom Price says he has not seen the Senate version of the AHCA yet. Somehow.

reitetsu
Sep 27, 2009

Should you find yourself here one day... In accordance with your crimes, you can rest assured I will give you the treatment you deserve.

Agents are GO! posted:

We're goons, we hate eachother only slightly less than we hate everything else, which is why it gets so terrible when theres no news.

Greg the Stop Sign on SAclopedia posted:

All goons secretly hate themeselves, each other, everything in the world, and themselves again in ascending order. You may have noticed.

Extremely factual.

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

twice burned ice posted:

Quoting just so that more people will see that you think Heidegger wrote nonsense because you can't understand it.

Being and Time is regarded by many as the most influential piece of existential philosophy ever written, and you consider it nonsense.

:shibewow:

I like Heidegger. Being and Time is a great book. But lots of the words are untranslatable because they don't mean anything in the original German and the book would be way, way better if Heidegger was more rigorous with his language.

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


Every Democrat running for a Rs seat better be hosting town halls constantly, "inviting" their opponent and challenging an empty chair for answers to their constituents issues from now to 2018

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007

Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

Every Democrat running for a Rs seat better be hosting town halls constantly, "inviting" their opponent and challenging an empty chair for answers to their constituents issues from now to 2018

i like this idea

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

Every Democrat running for a Rs seat better be hosting town halls constantly, "inviting" their opponent and challenging an empty chair for answers to their constituents issues from now to 2018

It worked for Clint Eastwood.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

Every Democrat running for a Rs seat better be hosting town halls constantly, "inviting" their opponent and challenging an empty chair for answers to their constituents issues from now to 2018

Worked for Vince McMahon when he challenged God

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


oohhboy posted:

It worked for Clint Eastwood.

Clint Eastwood was neither running for office nor proposing solutions.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

Every Democrat running for a Rs seat better be hosting town halls constantly, "inviting" their opponent and challenging an empty chair for answers to their constituents issues from now to 2018

Dems adopting neighboring districts where Republicans hold the seat but refuse to meet with constituents is a fun idea too.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Vladimir Putin posted:

This does sound and look odd: the director of a security service making records of his talks with the supreme commander and handing it over to the media through a friend of his.

Stay safe, (*googles*) Alexander Bortnikov. :ohdear:

Caros
May 14, 2008

Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

Clint Eastwood was neither running for office nor proposing solutions.

Nor all there.

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

Autocrat Vladimir Putin thinks accountability is odd. What a surprise.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Ogmius815 posted:

I like Heidegger. Being and Time is a great book. But lots of the words are untranslatable because they don't mean anything in the original German and the book would be way, way better if Heidegger was more rigorous with his language.

not to get into a philosophy derail, but there's a specific reason he has to use those terms. he's actually trying to be as rigorous as he can, part of the point he's trying to make is that language is so much a part of our everyday life that words carry meaning that goes unnoticed. so if he wants to talk about new concepts, he needs a way to make language new again. hence all the new terms. (they also have clear connotations in the original german, by the way.) brecht would later do something similar in theater with his concept of verfremdung. wittgenstein, who's probably more to your liking, once said that heidegger, much like himself, was constantly "running up against the boundaries of language", and both had to find ways of getting their point across despite these problems.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

Clint Eastwood was neither running for office nor proposing solutions.

No but Mittens lost.

Remind Mittens doesnt know what a donut is.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


We invent new words not just to better define meaning, but also so that their use -- and thus nuanced meaning -- is conspicuous?

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


bigly deep, if true

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

Clint Eastwood was neither running for office nor proposing solutions.

He's got sunshine in a bag.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


2016 Commerce Secretary statement on Equal Employment Opportunity:

quote:

The Department of Commerce does not tolerate discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex (including sexual harassment and pregnancy discrimination), sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, age (40 years of age and over), genetic information, or disability (physical or mental), including the provision of reasonable accommodations for qualified applicants and employees with disabilities or genetic information. Retaliation against those who initiate discrimination complaints, serve as witnesses, or otherwise oppose discrimination and harassment is strictly prohibited.


2017 Commerce Secretary statement on Equal Employment Opportunity

quote:

The Department of Commerce does not tolerate behavior, harassment, discrimination or prejudice based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, or disability. We will also provide reasonable accommodations for applicants and employees with disabilities. Retaliation against those who initiate discrimination complaints, serve as witnesses or participate in the EEO process, or otherwise oppose discrimination and harassment is strictly prohibited.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Edit: goddamnit awful.app

Shifty Pony fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jun 15, 2017

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Toaster Beef posted:

Yeah, he's basically become a non-factor here. Still see him in ads talking about the opioid epidemic, but mostly he's just waiting out the end of his term.

The Democrat running for NJ governor, Phil Murphy, is polling at a 2-1 advantage over the Republican candidate, Kim Guadagno, who works in Christie's administration. The stink of being associated with Christie (and, by party affiliation, Trump) is going to make winning a near impossibility for her, even as she's trying to distance herself from both as much as possible (and is running on a somewhat more centrist platform than what you'd expect from a GOP candidate).

There are 4-5 GOP Members of congress here in NJ that NEED to lose in 2018. I hope that this cascades down to their races too.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

i feel bad making fun of a guy who was shot but this can't really be his face, right

they did one of those photoshops where they shrunk the face but left the head, right

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/875311014538919936

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine

ReidRansom posted:

If it made them introspective about why people hate them so much and that led to a shift in their policies? Sure. But the immediate reaction seems to be that they're going to further insulate themselves from the public. I heard my own congressman (a shithead, to be sure, but not among the very worst of them) on the radio this morning saying that they're going to have to reconsider their levels of interaction with the public and how they do it, and that's not a good thing.

Yeah. I mean, hoping that Scalise recovers shouldn't be contingent on him having some sort of Dickensian epiphany. But for Republican politicians in general, they have already been trying to cast the outcry over the AHCA as the work of nefarious leftist provocateurs and this gives them all the reasons in the world to go turtle.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

But... he held the flag!!

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
https://twitter.com/lloydblankfein/status/875385242386911232

This is a good way to remember who wins when stuff gets done on a bipartisan basis.

Skex
Feb 22, 2012

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

Prester Jane posted:

I appreciate the note of support. For the record with the bit about wishing on a monkeys paw from a homeless gypsy woman I thought it was pretty obvious I was making a joke. I don't have actual superpowers or anything of the sort. I just happen to have an unusual insight into a particular group of extremists who happen to be rather relevant at this point in our history. Considering the context of making that joke (I am very open about my schizophrenia and delusions of grandeur/believing one posses super powers are well known symptoms of that condition) I can appreciate that it would be very difficult for me to make it clear that I was jesting, particularly through the medium of the written word. In the future I will keep this in mind.

Personally I think that your theories on Narrativists and compaction cycles make a lot of intuitive sense. And does seem to track fairly consistently with historical data.

Where I think you go off the rails in prediction is that you forget that your own theory shows why extremist eventually dissipate into a none issue. Because the compaction cycles themselves shrink the contingent with each compaction while the group becomes hardened and more extreme they also become by necessity smaller as they slough off the less extreme members with each cycle.

So while each successive iteration becomes more extreme they become smaller. Eventually one of two things happen they become so small as to become irrelevant or if one actually engages in political violence the rest will disavow them as a matter of self preservation, or the greater body politic will take action against them.

Consider the OKC bombing. after that McVeigh the militia movement and nativists found themselves under intense scrutiny as the majority of the public say them as a threat to everyone and took action.

The structure of the United States for all it's faults does provide a strong protection against the rise of fascistic authoritarian rulers. Look at the current situation, the right despite having managed to take control of the entirety of the government has largely been thwarted in enacting their agenda. There was a certain amount of wisdom in the thinking of the framers in wanting to create a system that is intentionally cumbersome with fighting factions. checks and balances are built in intentionally to prevent the sort of tyranny that the Republicans would love to enact.

Nativist movements have always existed in this country and in the end they get stomped out. The KKK was at one time a very active and powerful force of nativists but they were completely wiped out in their initial iteration and the new iterations were but a shadow of the former.

In the end the nativists fizzle and fail because human beings are social creatures and social creatures have a vested interest in eliminating threats to the society as a whole. By and large human beings want to be able to take care of themselves and their families in relative peace and security and any group that threatens that will eventually be dealt with in the harshest of terms.

I always like to point out that the guillotine was invented by a liberal and that while the left is usually slow to move to violence they don't gently caress around once the decision has been made.

If the narrativist nativists decide to go all 2nd amendment CW2 the generally docile masses will move to wipe them the gently caress out with great alacrity and brutality.

Besides for the most part these people are cowards at heart. Conservatives are ruled by fear, it's the core of their identity. This is why it's only the mentally unstable that tend to resort to actual violence while the vast majority just talk poo poo. And why I'm not too concerned with them ratcheting things up, doing so would require them to find an actual spine and courage and even if they did the result would ultimately bring about their demise.

And to be frank, I don't see these people committing suicide by cop to support the Great Cheetolini. Eventually once he becomes toxic enough they'll rationalize that he wasn't a true conservative and just a liberal plant/RINO like they have so many they've supported before (see W).

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

ReidRansom posted:

If it made them introspective about why people hate them so much and that led to a shift in their policies? Sure. But the immediate reaction seems to be that they're going to further insulate themselves from the public. I heard my own congressman (a shithead, to be sure, but not among the very worst of them) on the radio this morning saying that they're going to have to reconsider their levels of interaction with the public and how they do it, and that's not a good thing.

Wonder why they didn't take these precautions after Gabby Giffords...

Skex
Feb 22, 2012

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

Every Democrat running for a Rs seat better be hosting town halls constantly, "inviting" their opponent and challenging an empty chair for answers to their constituents issues from now to 2018

No not and empty chair, Use someone in a chicken suit, Don't adopt their gimmick use one of our own that is tried and true.

B B
Dec 1, 2005

So, even though Republicans are using reconciliation, there is apparently a way for Democrats to effectively filibuster AHCA through the reconciliation amendment process:

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875382866452119555

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875383181079441408

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875383267968524288

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875383362680221696

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875383477172097025

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875383539432390656

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875383609997373440

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875383668868608004

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875383723453276160

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875383780277714944

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875383954488135680

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875384053901524993

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875384169714642945

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875384380432289792

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875384510669631489

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875384565392711680

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875384644455325697

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875384763829321729

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875384891889897473

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875384963729936384

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875385015294734337

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875385080516145152

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/875385159834578944

I don't really know much about Senate procedure, but this seems like something Senate Dems should at least try.

Caros
May 14, 2008

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/lloydblankfein/status/875385242386911232

This is a good way to remember who wins when stuff gets done on a bipartisan basis.

Can we please stop reposting blankfein? The cost of these new monitors is killing my family.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/lloydblankfein/status/875385242386911232

This is a good way to remember who wins when stuff gets done on a bipartisan basis.

give the man a break

he may be the ceo of goldman sachs but he also personally mocked trump on twitter

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Skex posted:

No not and empty chair, Use someone in a chicken suit, Don't adopt their gimmick use one of our own that is tried and true.



http://flagpole.com/news/in-the-loop/rep-jody-hice-town-hall-draws-100-people-and-a-chicken-but-no-hice

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Sinteres posted:

Nate Silver's guess yesterday was about 70/30 Ossof, which are the same odds he put on Hillary last year.

The old Nate Silver kiss of death.

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aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

B B posted:

So, even though Republicans are using reconciliation, there is apparently a way for Democrats to effectively filibuster AHCA through the reconciliation amendment process:

I don't really know much about Senate procedure, but this seems like something Senate Dems should at least try.

This seems like a "One weird trick to defeat lovely legislation! Republicans hate it!" What's to stop McConnell from just changing the rules for reconciliation?

Probably nothing.

aware of dog fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Jun 15, 2017

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