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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Pissflaps posted:American Pit Bull dogs are banned in the uk. That's weird because when I was up in Edinburgh I saw a lot of people walking pit bulls or just chilling with them on the sidewalk. American pit bulls are descended from Irish or English pit bulls anyway, the differences aren't that pronounced.
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Jun 14, 2017 16:32
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If anyone was hoping SLab would be getting reformed... I think you might be getting your wish. I am fresh from a CLP meeting and, while the mood was generally upbeat, nobody had much nice to say about the campaign in Scotland. Misdirection of resources, the general perception that the Scottish party was anti-Corbyn, the failure to talk policy to voters and focusing on anti-Tory/SNP sniping instead, all of these were discussed. The general feeling is that Corbyn didn't happen here, and he should have, and this was our fuckup. People were talking about dissolving SLab entirely and folding it back into the national party (!), though that was shouted down pretty quickly. I don't think I've seen the CLP so heated. The knives may well be out for Kezia.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:33
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Good to hear. I only voted Lab because there was a good campaign for socialism candidate in my ward. The immediate reaction of SLab leadership to attribute seat gains on bing anti-indyref etc did not help increase the chance of me voting SLab again.
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Jun 15, 2017 22:29
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I don't know if it was the same CLP meeting but Edinburgh Southern (or whatever it's called in the Scottish Parliament) had their CLP meeting today as well and I hear Ian Murray got absolutely savaged.
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Jun 16, 2017 00:21
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Edinburgh, but not Southern. That's very interesting to hear, I thought Murray and his crew had that CLP sewn up. Though they did have a sizeable dissident faction.
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Jun 16, 2017 00:46
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Do we agree with Rab that the faltering Scottish independence campaign needs more Braveheart?
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Jun 16, 2017 08:31
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Pissflaps posted:Do we agree with Rab that the faltering Scottish independence campaign needs more Braveheart? Are these things jokes or does he write columns like that? hakimashou fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Jun 16, 2017 09:44
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I've not read his full article but going off that wee bit, no, it's dumb. At best there has been no change from 2014 in support for independence. It's probably going to be off the table for a decade before that might change. Scotland has other problems to worry about in the mean time
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Jun 16, 2017 09:53
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hakimashou posted:Are these things jokes or does he write columns like that? He really does. It's an excruciating mish-mash of some words that some Scots (including me) use with just made up shite.
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Jun 17, 2017 00:25
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hakimashou posted:Are these things jokes or does he write columns like that? I wondered why pissflaps was quoting his own post for a while there. Two of those avs is confusing
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Jun 17, 2017 00:30
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TheHoodedClaw posted:He really does. It's an excruciating mish-mash of some words that some Scots (including me) use with just made up shite. I love how mad Scots makes some folk
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Jun 17, 2017 01:24
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English is a butchery of other languages. Scots is the butchery of a language that butchered other languages.
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Jun 17, 2017 04:52
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TheHoodedClaw posted:He really does. It's an excruciating mish-mash of some words that some Scots (including me) use with just made up shite. That's a heck of a racket. When scottish people read columns written in normal english don't they just read them in their scottish accent anyway without them having to have the accent spelled out like that? Anyway good on him for getting paid for that lol.
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Jun 17, 2017 05:08
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Scots is not an accent. Don't start this argument again. I'm not in Southern anymore, but I'm still on the Momentum email list and have been getting long screeds about how they tried to claim every victory without a mere mention of our glorious JC.
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Jun 17, 2017 13:19
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All True Scotsmen learned to read exclusively from 1970s Broons and Oor Wullie annuals so standard English is a real chore for us.
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Jun 17, 2017 16:18
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Acaila posted:Scots is not an accent. Well, no. It's a dialect.
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Jun 17, 2017 16:57
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Pissflaps posted:Well, no. Hurry up and get probated again you ableist prick.
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Jun 17, 2017 18:42
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Acaila posted:Hurry up and get probated again you ableist prick. He said Scots was a dialect, not a disability.
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Jun 17, 2017 18:45
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Jedit posted:He said Scots was a dialect, not a disability. You didn't see his last probation then.
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Jun 17, 2017 18:45
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You'd think Rab could come up with a convincing sounding Scots word for independence.
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Jun 17, 2017 19:00
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Indaypendins
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Jun 17, 2017 19:35
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Acaila posted:You didn't see his last probation then. You're right, because I've had him on ignore for months.
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Jun 17, 2017 19:43
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Jedit posted:You're right, because I've had him on ignore for months. Fair dos, long and the short of it was that he was probated for being an ableist prick.
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Jun 17, 2017 20:20
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If a really scottish person read the word "cannot" out loud would it sound like "cannae" ?
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Jun 18, 2017 01:32
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hakimashou posted:If a really scottish person read the word "cannot" out loud would it sound like "cannae" ? Ye cannae change the laws of physics, laws of physics, laws of physics. Ye cannae change the laws of physics, laws of physics Jim!
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Jun 18, 2017 01:37
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Hannibal must have been Scots, he was a Cannae bugger.
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Jun 18, 2017 09:20
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Jedit posted:Hannibal must have been Scots, he was a Cannae bugger. Well that would explain Hadrian's wall.
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Jun 18, 2017 09:33
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So I've started listening to the New Statesman podcast recently (it's really interesting and I'd encourage you to do the same), and as a kind of by product I've found myself reading the website much more than I used to. Anyway, they have this article today which seems like pretty good meat for here. Mostly because I suspect basically everyone here will disagree with it. It echoes a couple of points made in the recent podcast, but I really don't find the argument about Dugdale's "quiet" success convincing, and I think what's presented is a pretty shallow and uninformed take on Scottish politics - the kind of stereotypical "London media types don't understand the regions" thing in fact . Granted, I would hope New Statesman journalists have much better access to the upper echelons of the Labour party, both north and south of the border, and so can offer a decent understanding of internal party dynamics than someone who's only minimally active in their own CLP, but the broader picture they present of Scottish politics just doesn't ring true to me. They seem to be very much downplaying the effect of Labour managing (especially post-manifesto) to develop and communicate a coherent policy platform and electoral message - a message which was very clearly emanating from Labour as a national party, and one which Scottish Labour seemed reluctant to join in. I think Scottish Labour have been and still are poorly positioned in terms of the constitutional question of independence, and unlike Labour nationally on Brexit they haven't been able to (and don't appear to have had the foresight or gumption to) generally ignore or downplay this question in favour of a clear social and economic narrative which differs from the status quo. The opening quote from Dugdale, which is repeated later in the article, is quite telling, and I find it striking that the journalist seems to accept it as a good analysis rather than, as I see it, a real misreading of the situation. While Labour greatly improved their performance in Scotland I certainly don't see them as being in a "sweet spot," which gives far to much credit to their strategic plans and positioning, and far too much credit to Scottish Labour's campaigning where it differed from the national campaign. I would say Scottish Labour were very poor at communicating a clear anti-austerity message and even poorer at communicating how they differed from the SNP other than on independence - there was no clear narrative to criticise the SNP's record in government, for instance. A cynical part of me suspects that articles like these are a result of journalists still being in a London media bubble and being piss poor at understanding and reporting on regional differences, but also (and this would be the case in the Guardian and Indy too) a more general kind of bias skewing analysis, where pro-Labour but not pro-Corbyn journalists are stretching for alternative narratives to "Labour's national campaign was far more popular than we thought it would be." The portrait of Dugdale and Scottish Labour's efficiency and excellence given here is one I really don't recognise. Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale’s quiet victory quote:Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale’s quiet victory
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Jun 19, 2017 12:34
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Labour fell to third behind the Tories on her watch. There's basically no other analysis needed, they're not doing a good job.
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Jun 19, 2017 13:32
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“the sweet spot between being pro-Union and anti-austerity” is a very weird phrase for them to latch onto, as it seems to imply that a) both things are mutually exclusive and b) Scottish Labour is not quite either.
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Jun 19, 2017 22:37
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Does this thread agree with the SNP and Tories who just voted to start cutting off puppy tails?
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Jun 21, 2017 17:30
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cis autodrag posted:That's weird because when I was up in Edinburgh I saw a lot of people walking pit bulls or just chilling with them on the sidewalk. American pit bulls are descended from Irish or English pit bulls anyway, the differences aren't that pronounced. Stafffordshire Bull Terriers aren't banned and are almost certainly what you saw. They're slightly smaller than American Bull Terriers.
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Jun 21, 2017 17:50
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Pissflaps posted:Does this thread agree with the SNP and Tories who just voted to start cutting off puppy tails? The only person out of the SNP to vote against it is Christine Grahame it seems. I already know a few people who are dog lovers aren't going to vote the SNP anymore so that's something I guess.
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Jun 21, 2017 18:42
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So I went to the Bannockburn national trust place today, on what is apparently the 703rd anniversary of the battle (I didn't know this in advance). The Scottish resistance were there, doing a "rally" with more flags than people paying attention, including an Irish flag, for some reason. We caught the end of some terrible, terrible music and a bit of an Ian Paisley esque ranty speech going on about the need for unity at the same time as denouncing lots of people as traitors, before we swiftly hurried along. It was very odd. Pictured: a visual metaphor for current levels of interest in Scottish independence 
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Jun 24, 2017 17:15
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Owen Jones is getting called a Red Tory by Scots nats on Twitter for going to campaign for Gordon Munro in Edinburgh. I'm pretty sure this thread told me Munro is a good egg though? Am I misremembering or is this a case of partisan idiots on Twitter?
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Jun 24, 2017 17:20
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Munro was one of the Campaign for Socialism bunch, yes. I believe the issue was as part of Jones' campaigning he retweeted a picture from ScotLab that mentioned that the SNP were potentially not 100% great, which was of course grounds for a certain kind of twitter enthusiast to declare outright Twitter War, or something along those lines.
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Jun 24, 2017 17:26
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Baron Corbyn posted:Owen Jones is getting called a Red Tory by Scots nats on Twitter for going to campaign for Gordon Munro in Edinburgh. I'm pretty sure this thread told me Munro is a good egg though? Am I misremembering or is this a case of partisan idiots on Twitter? Yeah, Cyber Nats are loving dumb. Red Tory has just become a slur for anyone in Labour, regardless of their position on anything. The main reason for it was he pointed out that the SNP's rhetoric on austerity just does not match their actions. Which makes him a Red Tory. The SNP are just slowly, depressingly turning into ScotLab but pro-indy, all the way to regurgitating Tartan Tory as a generic insult. Predictable but miserable none the less.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:20
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Niric posted:So I went to the Bannockburn national trust place today, on what is apparently the 703rd anniversary of the battle (I didn't know this in advance). The Scottish resistance were there, doing a "rally" with more flags than people paying attention, including an Irish flag, for some reason. We caught the end of some terrible, terrible music and a bit of an Ian Paisley esque ranty speech going on about the need for unity at the same time as denouncing lots of people as traitors, before we swiftly hurried along. It was very odd. Bannockburn day is normally quite well marked according to my mum, who is from there. Maybe only the crazies go up to the visitor centre though. Yes Gordon is one of the Cool and Good ScotLab folks. Since I still get Momentum emails from my last Edinburgh CLP, I saw they were planning to head down there to campaign too. It's really good to see things still ticking over tbh.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:38
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Acaila posted:Bannockburn day is normally quite well marked according to my mum, who is from there. Maybe only the crazies go up to the visitor centre though. Is it normally focused on somewhere else? The visitor centre/Bruce statue would make the most sense, being the site of the battle and free to congregate (and with free parking!). I was honestly wondering I'd the fact that only the hard-core crazies had turned out this year could be taken as slightly indicative, albeit with major caveats. I would've assumed that in 2014 especially, and even 2015 and 2016, an indy event at Bannockburn might get at least a few casuals (that is casuals compared to the Scottish resistance) showing up. But if there was a non crazy event elsewhere, that'd presumably siphon off the less traitor-spotting types
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