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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Yeah, this is actually how I saw it. Perhaps the end justifies the means? "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." - Vince Gilligan on this week's podcast.
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TBeats posted:The writers speak as if they didn't write it. That was my point. I wonder how often on BB they had to ask "would he sink this low?" Compared to BCS where they seem to be constantly asking "is he there yet?"
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I think the best way I can give Jimmy the benefit of the doubt in regard to Irene is to assume (maybe incorrectly) that he didn't imagine the reaction of the other ladies would be what it was. I would prefer to think he was expecting straightforward peer pressure: "Come on, Irene. Take the offer before we all croak. It's best for everyone." "Oh. Well...okay."
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Riptor posted:Kim crashed her car in celebration of a job well done Jimmy, I helped the oilman and he gave me lots of oil money. I crashed my car so I could go buy a new one. Do you think they crashed the actual car Kim uses in the show? I remember in Dexter, his sister crashed her car so badly that it went from being an E46 3 series to an E36.
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Secret Agent X23 posted:I think the best way I can give Jimmy the benefit of the doubt in regard to Irene is to assume (maybe incorrectly) that he didn't imagine the reaction of the other ladies would be what it was. I would prefer to think he was expecting straightforward peer pressure: "Come on, Irene. Take the offer before we all croak. It's best for everyone." I could buy this if he showed any sort of remorse, but he didn't. Not one shred. He looked more sorry when he told Walt he couldn't help him anymore at the vacuum store.
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Secret Agent X23 posted:I think the best way I can give Jimmy the benefit of the doubt in regard to Irene is to assume (maybe incorrectly) that he didn't imagine the reaction of the other ladies would be what it was. I would prefer to think he was expecting straightforward peer pressure: "Come on, Irene. Take the offer before we all croak. It's best for everyone." I could totally see it playing that way in Jimmy's head, but when it didn't go that way that's when he decided to rig the bingo game. He didn't have to do that, but he knew it would embarrass her and he wanted to ramp up the pressure to get a settlement fast. That's what makes it mean.
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It felt a bit like Walter White, to me. Perhaps very obviously so. I.e. Jimmy isn't a very good person and is coldly manipulating fragile elderly people. It's about the lowest of the low. I have a feeling Howard may have the last laugh in all of this.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:52
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Howard somehow became the character I root for the most and I barely even know how it happened "You're like Gollum"
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Sulman posted:I have a feeling Howard may have the last laugh in all of this. I dunno, Vince has a way of giving the least culpable people the harshest concequences for their loved one's heinous actions. See: Mary Schrader, Walter Jr., Steve Gomez, Kim Wexler
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Sulman posted:It felt a bit like Walter White, to me. Perhaps very obviously so. But in his mind he is doing what he has to do to survive! Which was Walt's mindset in the first, what, two, MAYBE three seasons? After that he just became a megalomaniac, which is what I'm waiting for with Saul.
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Cojawfee posted:
That reminds me of the contest (or mayvbe charity auction?) they had to win Jesse's Toyota Tercel. I wonder if when BCS is finished they'll have another one for Jimmy's Subaru with the mis-matched door?
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Jun 15, 2017 17:12
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SlipkPIe posted:Howard somehow became the character I root for the most and I barely even know how it happened gently caress, that was a nod to Marco's ring wasn't it. I feel dumb for not picking up on that.
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hit button posted:gently caress, that was a nod to Marco's ring wasn't it. I feel dumb for not picking up on that. Probably not. Howard doesn't know about Marco.
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Last Chance posted:Probably not. Howard doesn't know about Marco. I don't know if that was  but I think he's referring to the writing overall.
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Last Chance posted:Probably not. Howard doesn't know about Marco. He does seem to look down at Jimmy's hands when he's making the comment though
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We better get Bill Burr next season
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drunken officeparty posted:We better get Bill Burr next season LAaaaaydie!!
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The mis-matched door adds character. If I saw it in a used car lot, it'd be one of the first ones I'd go for in a "proud of being frugal" way. Though I've never driven or had a car before, I'd be all right with having one that didn't look trustworthy and calling it a rustmobile as long as people that knew more about cars than me told me the discount outweighed the increased chance of car trouble
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Jun 15, 2017 17:39
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TBeats posted:But in his mind he is doing what he has to do to survive! Walt was always a megalomaniac, which is why he wouldn't accept the help from Elliot, even when it was in the form of a well-paying job (where Walt's mind clearly would have actually been useful). It's also why he left Gray Matter and Gretchen, and most quite a few other high-paying chemistry jobs which is why he ended up a schoolteacher. He's a poo poo human being and entirely to blame for squandering all of his opportunities in life - he cannot cooperate with others.
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Nail Rat posted:Walt was always a megalomaniac, which is why he wouldn't accept the help from Elliot, even when it was in the form of a well-paying job (where Walt's mind clearly would have actually been useful). It's also why he left Gray Matter and Gretchen, and most quite a few other high-paying chemistry jobs which is why he ended up a schoolteacher. He's a poo poo human being and entirely to blame for squandering all of his opportunities in life - he cannot cooperate with others. Yeah I agree. His longtime greed was also established when he and Skylar were buying their house. But eventually I think he stopped trying to justify it with cancer and just embraced his megalomania. The scene that comes to mind was in season 5 when he said "I'm in the Empire business." Prior to season 3 (and I'm being arbitrary with that) he was telling himself and everyone else he was in the "taking care of his family business." I feel like there are a lot of similarities between Saul and Walt's character arc.
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TBeats posted:The writers speak as if they didn't write it. That was my point. So in a very real way, he didn't write [Saul Goodman's character]. Unless this is a tic that Gilligan and Gould use and I've overlooked it.
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drunken officeparty posted:yah but cancer can actually literally cost millions to treat. you could get a solid gold cast and still not be that much I have a friend who broke her arm fairly badly and needed minor surgery to set it and two days in the hospital. They billed her close to $90,000 SlipkPIe posted:Howard somehow became the character I root for the most and I barely even know how it happened I really want more early-'00s pop-culture references in this show. Put in some references to The War, everyone starts going on Atkins diets, Jimmy turns on the car radio and it's playing Sk8r Boi, etc
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Sagebrush posted:I have a friend who broke her arm fairly badly and needed minor surgery to set it and two days in the hospital. They billed her close to $90,000 God I hope not. I've honestly been really glad at how they've done a really good job of making it obviously be the early 00s, but not beating us over the head with it.
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RedSpider posted:It's actually Howard that is becoming an interesting character. Agreed - I think the twist in Season 1 with Howard not being the one screwing Jimmy was great, and seeing him transition from someone who had sympathy for Jimmy to someone who sees him as a coward/con man has been awesome. When he scolded Jimmy in the parking garage and basically called him a lowlife beggar, he wasn't wrong.
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Yeah but...Jimmy also wasn't wrong that it would be better for the clients to get the money now. I don't see Howard as particularly sympathetic, but he is definitely more three-dimensional than his type of character would normally be on TV, which is cool.
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Colonel Whitey posted:Yeah but...Jimmy also wasn't wrong that it would be better for the clients to get the money now. I don't see Howard as particularly sympathetic, but he is definitely more three-dimensional than his type of character would normally be on TV, which is cool. It's true. While Jimmy's self interest is evident, the truth is paying out now really is best for everyone, except HMM which stands to earn much more if they wait. Though, it's starting to look like Howard has a stake in earning as much money off that case as possible, with a possible lawsuit from Chuck.
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Howard and HHM are certainly becoming a victim of the brothers McGill, much like anybody unfortunate enough to be in their vortex.
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Colonel Whitey posted:Howard and HHM are certainly becoming a victim of the brothers McGill, much like anybody unfortunate enough to be in their vortex. So what you're saying is Walter White is just another McGill victim? Makes u think I would be okay putting the finale off another week because after that we enter the abyss and have to wait like two years for season 4 (at least that's what the gap between s2 and 3 felt lik).
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TBeats posted:So what you're saying is Walter White is just another McGill victim? haha, not exactly. Walter White is a whole different animal. I just mean at this stage of the story. BCS is the story of a fraternal feud and its collateral damage.
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This is the end point for Jimmy. He has to get to where he doesn't give a drat if his clients murder old people. Making good progress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3DY1_zijgA
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There is an argument to be made that if Saul had never volunteered his services after their initial dealings ("So if you wanna make more money, and keep the money you make...Better Call Saul!"), Walt would have never been in a position to grow into the Heisenberg we knew by the Finale. He probably would have just ended up arrested or buried in the desert if he'd continued to follow the trajectory he was on.
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:There is an argument to be made that if Saul had never volunteered his services after their initial dealings ("So if you wanna make more money, and keep the money you make...Better Call Saul!"), Walt would have never been in a position to grow into the Heisenberg we knew by the Finale. He probably would have just ended up arrested or buried in the desert if he'd continued to follow the trajectory he was on. Just like the vet is the deus ex machina in BCS, Saul was in BB.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Just like the vet is the deus ex machina in BCS, Saul was in BB. That's true. The Vet is ultimately to blame for those two 737s crashing into each other. e: Also, pretty sure this means a Vet spinoff is next in line, get on it AMC Pepe Silvia Browne fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:That's true. The Vet is ultimately to blame for those two 737s crashing into each other. It will be to medical dramas what BCS was to legal dramas. e: With Squat Cobbler working at a pharmaceutical company as secondary plotline. Rexides fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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I unironically would watch that
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every good show makes you like awful people at least sometimes. oz is a revolving door of the worst of the worst but there are points you feel bad for most if not all of them.
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Rexides posted:It will be to medical dramas what BCS was to legal dramas. While Giancarlo Esposito wails in despair as he continues to scratch the words "Rise of Gus prequel" into the wall of his asylum cell with a sharpened plastic spoon.
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Groovelord Neato posted:every good show makes you like awful people at least sometimes. oz is a revolving door of the worst of the worst but there are points you feel bad for most if not all of them. Vic Mackey is my favorite example considering he kills another cop in the very first episode.
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TBeats posted:Vic Mackey is my favorite example considering he kills another cop in the very first episode. Well, some people would argue....
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If they're going to make Saul from the protagonist into the villain of his own show in much the same way they did with Walt, they're going to have to raise up a new protag to take his place in our hearts, the way they did with Jesse. Is it going to be Chuck, Hamlin, or Kim?
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