Bogan King posted:

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Red Symons has come under fire following an interview with an ABC Radio podcaster, in which he asked the host if she was "yellow" and "What's the deal with Asians?".

The former Hey Hey It's Saturday star – who hosts ABC Radio Melbourne's Breakfast slot – was interviewing ABC Radio presenter Beverley Wang about her new podcast It's Not a Race, when the conversation took an immediate uncomfortable turn.

Opening the interview, Symons told Wang he was "not happy" over her show because he had a similar idea for a radio segment about "contemporary race issues in Australia".

"Except my segment was called 'What's the deal with Asians?'," he said.

Synthbuttrange posted:

Ah race and Australia, two things that go well together.

open24hours posted:

The solution to homelessness: get welfare slaves to build a shanty town.

Synthbuttrange posted:

Ah race and Australia, two things that go well together.

Junkee posted:

Symons: “Do they speak Mandarin or Cantonese?”

Wang: “Who’s ‘they’?”

Symons: “The people in Taiwan”

Wang: “They speak Taiwanese and they speak Mandarin. And in Canada where I’m from, they speak English and French.”

Symons: “I knew that. You’re probably from the west coast of Canada.”

Wang: “Why do you think that, Red?”

Symons: “Because it’s closer to Asia.”

....

Symons: “I remember thinking at the time that it had become uncomfortable because Harry Connick Jr felt most uncomfortable with someone wearing what is alleged to be blackface.”

Wang: “Why is it alleged to be blackface?”

Symons: “Well, because there was white face and there was brown face and there was black face. There was a variety of faces.”

Wang: “Sure, but it wasn’t ‘alleged’ blackface. The make-up is there. It’s definitely black make-up.”

Symons: “And there is apparently a blanket caveat against that?”

screaden posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2017/jun/07/boxed-life-inside-hong-kong-coffin-cubicles-cage-homes-in-pictures

I can guarantee those won't be "designed really well". Every architect that touts that their own "model is innovative, holistic, scaleable, flexible" doesn't know poo poo about designing a functional space

JBP posted:

The Red Faces blackface Harry Connick Jr broadcast was basically our moon landing.

JBP posted:

Red Symons potentially hosting a show called what's the deal with Asians is funny as hell though.

Bogan King posted:

Lid posted:

Craig is notably the only Liberal who is really an idealist for classical Liberalism. He's for Palestine, refugees, the ABC, not changing the racial discrimination act, and while personally for religious beliefs for same sex marriage would always vote for it.

No doubt Abbott loathes the main as a traitor.

NTRabbit posted:

If you think her opinions aren't lovely, then I think we've found the problem

Gorilla Salad posted:

The pointing of the "more Left than thou" finger seems a lot more cutting than usual and I'm personally having a really hard time seeing where that unpleasantness is coming from unless you take it as an excuse to openly hate on a woman who has gone and succeeded in life on her own terms by making a profession out of having an opinion.

Lid posted:

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/labor-must-not-misinterpret-jeremy-corbyns-failure-as-success-20170615-gwroc2.html

loving lol

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But it is meant to serve as a salutary warning. Parties of the left have a bad habit of celebrating glorious losses. I prefer to celebrate victories.

racing identity posted:

There have been a large number of legitimate criticisms made of Mia Freedman, you have just ignored or dismissed them and continued ploughing on into the third day of your bizarre crusade to defend her honour.

Hobo Erotica posted:

Hobo Erotica posted:

Really? If you think they are lovely, and all you've got is whats described in that junkee article, that's an interesting discussion in itself. A mother can't tell her daughter to take reasonable care not to put herself at extra risk by becoming completely intoxicated, because that's victim blaming? We're that incapable of nuance? That's concerning. And arguably actually dangerous.


Exactly, thank you. That's why I came here, to try and understand where that unpleasantness is coming from, and all that's really been proven is that it is in fact largely baseless. No one has actually backed up any of the accusations.

A lot of it definitely is gendered, but then you get the attacks from places like Pedestrian and Junkee and the rest of the Left. They absolutely would go after a man, and normally if anyone makes any kind of gendered attack they love jumping all over them, which is why this is interesting. I'd hate to think it was as crass as one digital media agency throwing stones at another, but it does look a bit like that. They pick up on some tweets and run with it. Perhaps there are some really strong collective sub-conscious biases going on.

Because even the crime here is questionable and a potentially interesting discussion in itself, but we haven't even had a chance to get there yet. Is saying that the publicist asked how big the lift was really so horrible? "Despicable, Shameful, Humiliating etc"? Roxanne said it was, so that definitely counts for something, but are we happy to let that be the final say? It's not like her size and the effects it has on day to day life were a secret, it's literally what they were there to discuss. Here is what Gay said to This American Life: "... There's another level. I mean, then there's when you're super morbidly obese, where you can't really even find stores that can accommodate you. You don't fit in any public spaces, like movie theaters, public bathrooms, so on and so forth.". So she can say it, and Mia can't. Which is understandable and fair enough, but hardly ground for the backlash she's experienced. Is there something there I'm missing?

Mia is a huge fan who loves Gay, she wasn't putting her down or making fun of her, it wasn't 'lol fat people', it was 'here's something interesting about fat people I learned today which you may not have considered but which perhaps you should'. It was a mistake, but like I said before, I think a part of it was that Roxanne didn't actually know the questions her publicist asked, and was shocked and embarrassed to learn about them. So her initial mortified tweets carried accusations of dishonesty, which further inflamed the issue.

Everyone picks up their swords and leaps to Gay's defense and trips over themselves to show off how appalled and how brutally heart achingly sorry they are, and the pitchforks come out. There are also strong elements of "relative privilege". When you have a big bisexual woman of colour claiming she was upset by something an average sized straight white woman said, everyone just automatically takes the former's side by default. And that's concerning as well. It's not helpful or healthy, for both the left in particular or society in general. It's actually faintly patronising - like Gay is this really weak porcelain doll we failed to shield from this appalling attack, despite being a professional adult who is a published author and respected academic.

Its absolutely important not to Kick Down, but we need to actually look at the "kicks" in question. And Mia looks pretty down at the moment, and the kicks shes getting are a way worse than what she did.


I think really some of it comes from mamamia's history of clickbait-y listicle type journalism. It was annoying fluffy pop, it was new and different, it caught on, filled up a lot of people's feeds, with some stuff which was women's issues and some stuff which was a bit dumb, both of which weren't universally appreciated. And so that has defined her character in the public view, and makes these pile ons ok.

I only listen to the Mamamia Out Loud podcast, which is generally good, thoughtful, progressive, topical weekly discussion. The No Filter podcast can be good if the guest is interesting, and the This Glorious Mess is a good one too. I don't read the website or the facebook, and so if they're a bit stupid or annoying (which glancing at them I can believe), that probably explains some / a lot of the hate. But I don't see that, I just see the podcasts, so the attacks seem egraroius to me.

It might sound silly but I think Mia's is an important voice and we're worse off if we kill it like this.

JBP posted:

Mia Freedman is a bad boss and a total neolib shithead there is nothing wrong with having a crack at her, or her bullshit publication.

Hobo Erotica posted:

I haven't ignored them or dismissed them, I've quoted them and discussed them, and they don't appear to be legitimate (or large in number), that's the point. Everyone else has ignored or dismissed my discussion.

I think the attitude to the pile on is more bizarre than my questions, and calling my questions a bizarre crusade is bizarre in itself.

But yeah, it's going round in circles.

Blow posted:

I'm pretty sure that by just being the POTUS the dude can gently caress us over in a myriad of ways if he so chooses to. I'm not saying the USA will nuke us.

No-one likes to be made fun of, to be the butt of a joke, to look like a fuckwit, to be embarrassed, it's a universal thing I think. Just depends on how you take it. Do you roll with it, or rage against the humiliation?

Donald will not take it well I feel. He remembers slights.

HookShot posted:

As a woman, I think Mia Freedman is a shithead, irrespective of her vagina-having status.

HookShot posted:

As a woman, I think Mia Freedman is a shithead, irrespective of her vagina-having status.

JBP posted:

Then again I think Clementine Ford is Andrew Bolt for girls so maybe I should get on the Mia train.

Schlesische posted:

Miranda Devine Exists.