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CJacobs posted:Honestly this makes it even better imo. IOI got in, lost Square Enix a bunch of money to make one of the best games of 2016 and prove without a doubt that the episodic game format can work well in the right hands, and then got out with Hitman in tow. And Squeenix totally deserves it. It's like an actual Hitman level but with corporate politics instead of assassination. Agent 47 million loss.
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Phantasium posted:Don't worry I'm sure they'll gently caress up the FFVII remake in another absurd way shortly. Aeris will now properly say "that guy is sick"
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Phantasium posted:Agent 47 million loss. Suit(s) Only Silent Assassin
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CJacobs posted:Honestly this makes it even better imo. IOI got in, lost Square Enix a bunch of money to make one of the best games of 2016 and prove without a doubt that the episodic game format can work well in the right hands, and then got out with Hitman in tow. And Squeenix totally deserves it. It's like an actual Hitman level but with corporate politics instead of assassination. I mean sadly they kinda proved the opposite didn't they?
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Jun 16, 2017 14:28
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corn in the bible posted:No he's thinking of the people making Prey 2 who Bethesda destroyed for no reason This is what it was.
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Jun 16, 2017 14:30
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TellTale proved that episodic content was viable like 10 years ago and without losing a bunch of money.
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Jun 16, 2017 14:32
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MMF Freeway posted:I mean sadly they kinda proved the opposite didn't they? I think it was more Absolution being poor and affecting the next game, when Season 1 has slowly gathered steam and momentum.
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Jun 16, 2017 14:33
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MMF Freeway posted:I mean sadly they kinda proved the opposite didn't they? imo Hitman's lack of sales are not due to it being an episodic game and said sales would have been worse had it been just a normal title a la Blood Money. The game had a lot going against it from the start: It came out at a bad time of year up against several other big releases, it was coming off of the reputation of a game that was pretty bad in the public eye (Absolution), and Hitman's already not an extremely popular series in addition to not having real great marketing throughout its run (there were extensive ads for the game's launch but basically nothing after that). VideoGames posted:I think it was more Absolution being poor and affecting the next game, when Season 1 has slowly gathered steam and momentum. this also
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Jun 16, 2017 14:34
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hitman absolution is irredeemable
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Jun 16, 2017 14:35
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They should probably also stop naming new games with the titles of old games. Hitman Anything-At-All would have more of a presence.
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Jun 16, 2017 14:37
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Sure, and not to mention the last minute format change with the refunded pre-orders, always online stuff and elusive targets rubbed people the wrong way and I think was the biggest factor in poor steam reviews out the gate. I like new hitman as much as the next guy, but I didn't buy it episodically which I think was the right call. Definitely doesn't strike me as a great example of successful use of the format.
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Jun 16, 2017 14:38
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Also if IOI continue to lose money they'll go away quickly. It'll be interesting to see where the funding comes from moving forward. If it's crowdfunding then... lol.
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Jun 16, 2017 14:52
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gently caress yeah. I'm hopeful that they realize that the new Hitman was the right gameplay direction, just make one big release next time.
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Jun 16, 2017 14:54
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I specifically didn't buy hitman because it was too complicated to do. I bought the intro pack and then every time I tried to buy the rest of the game there were different reasons I either couldn't, or it was a bad deal to do so. Regardless of whether the episodic model was bad, the way they actually sold it was a complicated nightmare.
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Jun 16, 2017 15:04
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corn in the bible posted:hitman absolution is irredeemable It's not a great Hitman game but it's a decent enough stealth action game, especially if you got it for a buck any one of the times it got that cheap. The bondage titty nuns were definitely the bad kind of stupid (even if their level was great for getting to use a scarecrow costume to sneak through a cornfield undetected and pick people off) but redneck gangs of greasers in bowling shirts, getting to wrestle a giant cartoon Mexican to death, and the crazy Deus Ex munitions factory with pig landmines were all goofy in a fun way.
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MMF Freeway posted:Sure, and not to mention the last minute format change with the refunded pre-orders, always online stuff and elusive targets rubbed people the wrong way and I think was the biggest factor in poor steam reviews out the gate. I like new hitman as much as the next guy, but I didn't buy it episodically which I think was the right call. Definitely doesn't strike me as a great example of successful use of the format. It was, in my opinion, the only successful use of the format. Hitman's levels are extremely replayable and the episodic format encourages players to play one level over and over, while people who get the whole thing can rush through the game and not spend time on challenges and the like. It actually gets something out of being released that way, and I can't think of any other game that was episodic for a good reason (Telltale games are episodic but all that does is make you wait months between each story beat; I don't think it actually adds much). It being confusing and badly explained was definitely a problem, though. And the initial plan of releasing just two episodes of three levels each probably would've worked much better. That would given launch buyers Sapienza, the best level in the series. Pigbuster fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Jun 16, 2017 15:14
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Guy Mann posted:It's not a great Hitman game but it's a decent enough stealth action game, especially if you got it for a buck any one of the times it got that cheap. The bondage titty nuns were definitely the bad kind of stupid (even if their level was great for getting to use a scarecrow costume to sneak through a cornfield undetected and pick people off) but redneck gangs of greasers in bowling shirts, getting to wrestle a giant cartoon Mexican to death, and the crazy Deus Ex munitions factory with pig landmines were all goofy in a fun way. You're misremembering it. For one thing the nun level was at the hotel and sucked
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Jun 16, 2017 15:16
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I won't pretend to understand the nuances of situations like this but didn't SE wholly own IO? Is it normal for a studio to just go independent in a case like this?
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Jun 16, 2017 15:18
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corn in the bible posted:You're misremembering it. For one thing the nun level was at the hotel and sucked You are the one misremembering it. You escape the burning hotel and cross the street into the nearby fields. Absolution was fun in spite of the writing, my friend, I am sorry you still hold a grudge against it like so many.
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Jun 16, 2017 15:22
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PantsBandit posted:I won't pretend to understand the nuances of situations like this but didn't SE wholly own IO? Is it normal for a studio to just go independent in a case like this? They lost a ton of money and nobody wanted to buy them so they probably took out a bunch of loans, gave the money to SE, and SE cut their losses
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PantsBandit posted:I won't pretend to understand the nuances of situations like this but didn't SE wholly own IO? Is it normal for a studio to just go independent in a case like this? It is weird and it very much sounds like SE could have very easily hosed everyone over if they wanted to. I'm very happy that they didn't.
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Jun 16, 2017 15:53
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CJacobs posted:You are the one misremembering it. You escape the burning hotel and cross the street into the nearby fields. Absolution was fun in spite of the writing, my friend, I am sorry you still hold a grudge against it like so many.
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Jun 16, 2017 15:59
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So will game companies start covering the costs for user data caps because a lump sum 100 GB download is pretty fukkin' hefty. Or at least will Microsoft start covering the charges? I know you have the money dude don't say that you don't.
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Jun 16, 2017 16:02
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I think the issue here is bad internet providers actually selling plans with data caps
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Jun 16, 2017 16:07
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Which game has the biggest file size (that article says Gears of War 4 is 120GB lol) I hate it because my PS4 is only 500GB and a bunch of games are like 40-50+GB now. I wish buying physical saved space but I think the disc just installs the game and it's the same size as the digital download basically. idk if the disc is even doing anything after that Help Im Alive fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Squeenix letting the Hitman IP stay with IOI is actually the most decent thing they've done in a long time. They could have easily shrugged about it and shelved the franchise, not giving a poo poo as it rots away. That they had the goodwill to let it go even after losing cash on it is a nice thing of them to do. I think Hitman's sales being low had less to do with episodic format (which worked beautifully) and more to do with the "stats and unlocks tied to online servers" which people did not like at all. Hopefully going forward they will change that one aspect, because I have no idea why that needed to be a thing.
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Help Im Alive posted:Which game has the biggest file size (that article says Gears of War 4 is 120GB lol) After install the disk is not doing anything except confirming that you (or at least someone) paid for the copy you're playing.
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PaRappa remastered is pretty great. That loving chicken still has the hardest stage though. 
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Dewgy posted:PaRappa remastered is pretty great. That loving chicken still has the hardest stage though. Was watching the Quick Look on that and it still seems super unforgiving- still a drat cool game though.
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Jun 16, 2017 16:18
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this sakuna game looks cool
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Quest For Glory II posted:this sakuna game looks cool The rice farming minigames are blowing my loving mind
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https://twitter.com/TheToiletDuck/status/862660057095450624
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He did it, he really did it.
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VideoGames posted:I think it was more Absolution being poor and affecting the next game, when Season 1 has slowly gathered steam and momentum. Wow your avatar changed quick. What was with the rogue one you had for a bit? Something you didn't pick out?
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The absolute boy does it again
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New Concept Hole posted:Wasn't Bethesda terrible to the developers of Prey, or something along those lines? Bethesda is terrible to everyone. VideoGames posted:I think it was more Absolution being poor and affecting the next game, when Season 1 has slowly gathered steam and momentum. I think a lot of people took a "wait and see" approach to the new Hitman, which episodic content tends to encourage anyway, and they waited too long. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Jun 16, 2017 18:45
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If you haven't played the new Hitman by now, play it now. Just a PSA for ya
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ-XcWCDfmE
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Jay Rust posted:If you haven't played the new Hitman by now, play it now. Just a PSA for ya Waiting for a good sale
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4:08 - CrowbCat no, don't do that.
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