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I thought Emakrul was bad simply because you could cheat it out with Marvel? All they really had to do was reprint Nature's Claim or Oxidize or even just something like Stony Silence
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mandatory lesbian posted:stealing a sheet of cards isn't worth jail time you weirdo. def a fireable offense, and they can probably take them to court for it (and presumably breaking an NDA), but a fine is a perfectly reasonable response The sheet is easily worth more than $500, making this a felony in most states.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:13
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Has WotC made any comments about the Ixalan leaks? Also, Maro answered my question on his blog. 
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Jun 16, 2017 17:14
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I'm also 100% surprised they didn't print anything to mess up your opponents energy counters or use your opponents energy against them "Opponent loses 3 energy counters" "Opponent takes 2 damage for each energy counter they control" "You gain 1 mana for each energy counter an opponent controls"
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Jun 16, 2017 17:17
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DariusLikewise posted:I thought Emakrul was bad simply because you could cheat it out with Marvel? All they really had to do was reprint Nature's Claim or Oxidize or even just something like Stony Silence HER delirium made HER actually castable in B/G shells as well, so it wasn't terribly hard to just do it in the mid-range heavy metas.
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Gay Horney posted:What's the deal with the two Bolas planeswalkers that apparently are leaked? God-Pharoah and Deceiver. Are they both coming in Hour? I'll probably get back into standard no matter what if there are two bolases the 7 mana one is the real one, the 8 mana one is the intro deck one. they have special newbie versions of planeswalkers as intro deck rares now, they're standard legal but are intentionally a lot weaker than the 'real' one that's in packs.
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Tortilla Maker posted:Has WotC made any comments about the Ixalan leaks? i would expect a carefully worded statement next week reminding us why leaks are Bad For Magic and then silence until we get to the IXL preview season time at which point we'll find out what approach they've chosen.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:22
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Yeah the God Pharoah looks fuckin legit. I had no idea there were Bolas horns all over Amonkhet I'm excited now. Thanks team
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Jun 16, 2017 17:24
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mcmagic posted:There are no efficient answers to Marvel, Copter and Emrakul. They were just bad designs. What are you talking about there are tons of answers to these cards?
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Jun 16, 2017 17:25
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TheChirurgeon posted:The sheet is easily worth more than $500, making this a felony in most states. Weirdly, if the police asked Wizards what the value of the stole items were, they'd have to say like, $50 right? Theoretically Magic cards don't have individual values or booster packs could get them accused of gambling.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:28
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mossyfisk posted:Weirdly, if the police asked Wizards what the value of the stole items were, they'd have to say like, $50 right? Theoretically Magic cards don't have individual values or booster packs could get them accused of gambling. i don't know anything about the law surrounding confidential IP/trade secrets but surely that's what comes in here, not the value of the physical piece of paper?
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Gay Horney posted:What's the deal with the two Bolas planeswalkers that apparently are leaked? God-Pharoah and Deceiver. Are they both coming in Hour? I'll probably get back into standard no matter what if there are two bolases As an aside, the four decks in the Archenemy: Nicol Bolas box set are all reprints and each deck has one planeswalker in them. There's Gideon Jura (ROE, M12); Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker (CON, M13); Chandra, Pyromaster (M14, M15); and Nissa, Worldwaker (M15) in there. And some other nice reprints like Grim Lavamancer, Lightning Bolt, and Grand Abolisher.
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mossyfisk posted:Weirdly, if the police asked Wizards what the value of the stole items were, they'd have to say like, $50 right? Theoretically Magic cards don't have individual values or booster packs could get them accused of gambling. Putting that issue aside, which I don't think would hold water (they'd be able to make the case that it had a cost above $50, possibly based on the number of cards that would be distributed to each box), uncut sheets, particularly foil ones for popular sets have a value separate from their individual card value. People frame them and hang them as art, and the value of this particular sheet is probably somewhere around $1,000, particularly if sold pre-release. They'll also have cause to file suit over the violation of the NDA and potential lost sales.
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mossyfisk posted:Weirdly, if the police asked Wizards what the value of the stole items were, they'd have to say like, $50 right? Theoretically Magic cards don't have individual values or booster packs could get them accused of gambling. This is probably the most correct. I very much doubt any prosecutor would value this at anything more than the actual value of the sheet itself. Even if they could argue higher value, this would get NCF'd to a misdemeanor court in a loving second. Civil court would be where WotC would want this if actual damages were something they wanted to try and pursue.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:53
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The secretary at Coca-Cola who stole the recipe was sentenced to 8 years in prison. Basis for sentencing was stealing trade secrets. I think there'd be parallels beyond a $50 charge at small claims court.
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Tales of Woe posted:i would expect a carefully worded statement next week reminding us why leaks are Bad For Magic and then silence until we get to the IXL preview season time at which point we'll find out what approach they've chosen. "The existence of leaks is the real story here" - Patrick "Trick" Jarrett
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Jun 16, 2017 17:59
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And no one will help this guy because he's taken such lovely tiny pictures that we all hate him.
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Jun 16, 2017 18:00
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TheChirurgeon posted:The sheet is easily worth more than $500, making this a felony in most states. FWIW, theft 2 in Washington is $750. Where I'm not certain, the local police agency for that print shop though would be the ones taking this if anyone did right? So even though WotC is in WA , the RCW may not even apply.
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mcmagic posted:There are no efficient answers to Marvel, Copter and Emrakul. They were just bad designs. Thoughtsieze and Ancient Grudge would have stopped all of the bullshit from needing banning. Or hell, Counterspell. Or Hymn to Tourach 
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Jun 16, 2017 18:04
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Rancored_elf got sued for literal thousands of dollars for making a forum post with a scan of Timeshifted play test cards. He wasn't even the one who took the pictures, just posted them. This guy, if they catch him, is going to get hosed.
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Mef989 posted:This is probably the most correct. I very much doubt any prosecutor would value this at anything more than the actual value of the sheet itself. Even if they could argue higher value, this would get NCF'd to a misdemeanor court in a loving second. Civil court would be where WotC would want this if actual damages were something they wanted to try and pursue. The prosecutors opinion about an items value doesn't mean anything. The victim just has to prove it was worth a certain amount, which is as easy as finding prices for similar items. A lawsuit is where this would probably end up but larceny of trade secrets is actually a thing. Don't think this falls under that though.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:And no one will help this guy because he's taken such lovely tiny pictures that we all hate him. Has anyone considered that the people who take these pictures for anonymous e-fame can't use their cellphone camera, so they're using some cheap "spy camera" poo poo? I don't know how corporate security works in places like the printing press for a major company, but I imagine they either have their cellphones confiscated (is that legal?) or more likely they have security watching for anyone whipping their cellphones out and snapping a photo.
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GonSmithe posted:Rancored_elf got sued for literal thousands of dollars for making a forum post with a scan of Timeshifted play test cards. He wasn't even the one who took the pictures, just posted them. In civil court 100% yes. I'm just sceptical on the criminal side. I might actually track down one of our prosecutors today if they aren't busy just to pose this question as a hypothetical since I'm curious what their take would be.
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A foil rare sheet you say? Well that's at least 1500 prize wall tickets, your honour.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:The prosecutors opinion about an items value doesn't mean anything. The victim just has to prove it was worth a certain amount, which is as easy as finding prices for similar items. A lawsuit is where this would probably end up but larceny of trade secrets is actually a thing. Don't think this falls under that though. I suppose I phrased that poorly. You're right that there is an argument that this reaches felony level and that WotC may value it higher and that if they can prove it then it can meet the elements of felony theft. I'm just viewing it from the position that there are a lot of crimes which technically meet the requirements of a felony that get kicked down to muni court / city prosecutors because the felony prosecutors don't want to touch them.
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Traditional Games > Magic: The Gathering: IANAL
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DariusLikewise posted:I thought Emakrul was bad simply because you could cheat it out with Marvel? All they really had to do was reprint Nature's Claim or Oxidize or even just something like Stony Silence Marvel comes in untapped, so if it resolves they get a look at ending the game even if you're holding a response to it at the time. Stony Silence is an absurd hate card that would be brutally oppressive in what is supposed to be an artifact-friendly standard. Emrakul's built in cost-reduction meant that grindy midrange decks like BG delerium could often just hardcast her after stalling out the game, and she was so powerful that she basically invalidated any other kind of midrange endgame.
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LSV and Chapin in the coverage booth. Match has been great so far as well. Grixis vs UW Control
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Any reasonable court of law has to balance the harm to Hasbro with the pure joy the thief gave to thousands of internet lawyers, their hearts aflame with posting bliss.
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regardless of whether it ends up being a civil or criminal case, if this guy ever gets caught he is really not gonna enjoy what comes next because a $1000+ fine and losing his job is the best-case scenario
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What are the odds for opening a foil rare in a pack? Also the odds of opening a foil mythic? They could argue that for the value which would make the value way over $500 if they did the MSRP of a pack. Plus leaking trade secrets and most likely breaking a NDA.
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Sickening posted:I am sure that it's combination of losing lsv to coverage and lack of high level results of the pro tour. He has also been at it long enough to want a more steady paycheck. I am sure he had made more from streaming then he ever has from magic. I've been told from a pretty reliable source that WotC employees aren't allowed to stream. TwistedNails posted:What are the odds for opening a foil rare in a pack? Also the odds of opening a foil mythic? They could argue that for the value which would make the value way over $500 if they did the MSRP of a pack. Plus leaking trade secrets and most likely breaking a NDA. Something like 2 per box 1 per 3 boxes respectively? Something like that.
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BJPaskoff posted:Has anyone considered that the people who take these pictures for anonymous e-fame can't use their cellphone camera, so they're using some cheap "spy camera" poo poo? I don't know how corporate security works in places like the printing press for a major company, but I imagine they either have their cellphones confiscated (is that legal?) or more likely they have security watching for anyone whipping their cellphones out and snapping a photo. i worked at a phone company once and bc of having access to customer data like SSN's and stuff my phone had to be placed a locker. idk if that's technically "confiscated" but I imagine the printing place has similar practices
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Weren't there supposed to be Hour of Devastation spoilers today?
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BJPaskoff posted:Has anyone considered that the people who take these pictures for anonymous e-fame can't use their cellphone camera, so they're using some cheap "spy camera" poo poo? I don't know how corporate security works in places like the printing press for a major company, but I imagine they either have their cellphones confiscated (is that legal?) or more likely they have security watching for anyone whipping their cellphones out and snapping a photo. I've been a janitor at a defense contractor in the past, and the policy there was certain rooms or buildings had a no cell phone policy. You would put your phone in a locker outside of that room or it would be given to security at a check-in station. It's pretty much the same at other places that have a no cell phone policy.
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80s James Hetfield posted:What are you talking about there are tons of answers to these cards? No there weren't. At least no good cards that you wanted to be playing that answered them. They are bad deigns for different reasons but they are all in the design error category. mandatory lesbian posted:stealing a sheet of cards isn't worth jail time you weirdo. def a fireable offense, and they can probably take them to court for it (and presumably breaking an NDA), but a fine is a perfectly reasonable response I'm not advocating for jail time for the leakier but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
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Attorney at Funk posted:Weren't there supposed to be Hour of Devastation spoilers today? I think there's supposed to be a preview segment on the GP Vegas stream, after the swiss rounds end.
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This leaker probably stole things and definitely violated an NDA for what appears to be basically internet points. I don't get it.
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